Maybe at 8k acres :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Bishop
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Maybe at 8k acres :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Bishop
I'd gladly give up the increase in wizard production for rune production bonus. Heck I'd give the increase in wizard production up for no exchange but that's a different subject.
yes, of course you CAN get enough runes to spell somehow. The thing is that this is making mages almost more trouble than they are worth.
If experienced mages have trouble managing then just imagine what new players go through. Of course most kingdoms will tell new players right away that it is not a great idea to start as a mage or thief anyway, but a lot of them will not listen, will try anyway , get frustrated and leave.
The only real defensive option in game is getting hobbled age after age and there are plenty people out there that would much rather play a mage personality than an attacker. Being a support character isn't everybody's cup of tea but those that enjoy that role will try to play it in every game they play.
Actually wrong. I did some math with 15% towers at 100% BE:Quote:
Originally Posted by Lestat
1300a
FB cost - 2346
Rune prod - 2340
1500a
FB cost - 2550
Rune prod - 2700
2000a
FB Cost - 3060
Rune prod - 3600.
Don't tell me you can't have 100% BE this age when science is so easy to get. I still think with this change Bishop wants to encourage growing.
No mage have 100% BE that isnt a walking land farm for attackers.
Im sitting a mystic and it have 60% be atm cause that is how high drafted (75%) it needs to be to be UB. It got 22% towers atm and it takes 2 ticks to get runes for a ms cast which i think is too much. At 25% towers u should make enough for an hourly ms
Also fb is for attackers, not mystics, so do the calculations for ms on say, a prov with 70% be? That would be more real
My BE is 90 on almost the same draft as you have . Your not doing something correctly
I have 101 BE at 70% draft(I admit that I'm h/r). You really don't do something correct. This age with 15% pop and 20% BE(you should have them by now) getting 100% BE at 65-70% draft is real.
Here is the math for MS at 70% BE, 25% towers including mystic's rune production bonus:
1100a
MS cost - 3427
Rune production - 3465
1300a
MS cost - 3754
Rune production - 4094
1500a
MS cost - 4080
Rune production - 4725
2000a
MS cost - 4896
Rune production - 6300
I'm thinking they have to be lacking science or homes or both
You all take about Mystics only need X amounts of towers to cast FB. FB is not the primary spell you want your Mystics to cast, and it is a cheap spell. You want them to blanket MS and have the option to LL etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bo To
In a longer war your BE most likely drops, Especially if you suffer hits. One of our experienced mystics needed 40% towers after a couple of days in war, and still did not produce enough runes..
You realize the post he quotes is for MS? :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Burzum
Yeah but if I can't cast land lust every tick with 12% towers what's the point?Quote:
Originally Posted by Korp
The rune production does need to be fixed. At the lower end of the 800 acre range, with average BE and 24% towers... and still not cranking out more than 2k runes a tick is a bit useless as a TM. That's basically a single fireball a tick, even though I generate enough mana for more than 1 a tick.
Based on some of Bishops comments, it seems part of the intent of the change is to encourage you to grow.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaximII
Yep it is because then you don't need as much %.Quote:
Originally Posted by Azureflames
Not sure what you guys are working on (maybe just not pumping proper), but I'm Fae/Rogue 83% BE (max science and 25% homes) 4ppa on 1k acres. 23% towers gives me 2200 runes per tick (FB is around 2100). That's not enough (taking into account all factors). I have 50% mana and no runes, I assume I need about 40% towers (at this size) to use full mana on casting FB's constant.
Something has to be scarce.
First off, promoting growth wont help because rune cost scales with size.
Secondly, making the one thing in the game that determines the usefulness of a province scarce is just stupid. Why arent horses scarce? How about prisoners? Nope. We're going to make runes scarce so that TM's, yet again, have trouble doing their job.
Third, it is confusing as to why wizzie production replaced rune production, but then rune production was not boosted elsewhere. That is like making gas harder to come by, but making cars cheaper to buy. One is useless without the other. Currently, it is so grossly unbalanced that people are sitting around with left over mana because there are no runes to speak of. Tm's are running over 20% towers and cant meet the demand... I cant even imagine what a hybrid is doing... or even an attacker just trying to keep up self spells.