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Okay I'm going now by the way. I can't believe you guys lol. For the recored 1/92 = .092gc for every book. Sorry to any one that got there panties in a bunch. I had some of you guys going for a while.
Vines, just stop and save yourself further embarassment. You've already lost all credibility in this community. Your best option is to simply disappear from the forums.
To everyone else, no he's not kidding. He's dead serious. This is coming from someone who has killed his province from a kingdom a few ages back.
I can't wait to see someone try to teach this guy Calculus...
Nah you guys. One really doesn't need science. I'm telling you guys the truth. Sciences and will always make one's province stronger. However, pop science for ghome is not a must. Right now I really do I have a province without science not because I don't want it but because I didn't have the time to get it. I was puting all my income into military units due to the war we were in. And the fact that I didn't have any science I was using that was an exaplem and as proof that one does need science to have strong province.
Wtf? Is it just me, or did he just completely change his mind??Quote:
Originally Posted by vines
Hmm... that forumdragon really looks happy when he's jumping up and down :)
I never say science was not good. I said one doesn't need science in order to have a superstong province. My province is proof of that and when I start building science my province will be even strong. I see too many people think that because they have lots of science that will make their province strong. If one's province sucks with out science than one's province can't be that good with science. My point is too many people have a province that would suck if it didn't have science. My province is stronger than any other province my size and I haven't strarted to learn sciences yet. Now when I start learning sciences my province will not be strong, because it is already strong. Instead, it will be on a different level. Don't believe me? I'll give you the proof.
But that's still complete rubbish vines. Minimal research is extremely easy to afford and pays off in no time. Put your books in Alchemy, Tools and Housing and you'll have both greater strength and income in a few days. For that matter, the first few books you put into any field will probably pay off in less than an hour.
No, your province is proof that you won't necessarily get owned hard by nubs just because you have a rotten province. Which is quite true, there's more to the game than having a strong province. Doesn't change the fact that your province is utter crap and underdeveloped.
And let's keep playing the fraction game for a bit. Now we know the following according to vines-math:
1/2 = 50% = 0.5
1/20 = 5% = 0.05
1/50 = 2% = 0.02
1/92 = 92% = 0.092, not 0.92 as previously stated
Is this correct?
Wasnt me who said:Seems like you are arguing with yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by vines
And seriously, your prov is "superstrong"? LMao
The thing is when I said that I was thinking in term of my province. At the time no science was better because if I had no science comming out I could put 100%gc into military now my military is built over all province health is strong I can worry science. If is worry about science from the get go one can gage how strong one's province is in trems of raw output. And the greater the raw output of a province the greater the MOD out put. This is why I don't like helping people because they don't understand me.
vines, i really dont get what you are saying. You just keep changing your mind and what your scientific proofs say. And the things that we ordinary mortals can understand are just plain bull****.
Its still a fact that you said that in THE LONG RUN, its better to have NO SCIENCE. You cannot change that. And now when you realised how wrong you were, you just start talking about some random jibberish. Admit that you have been wrong in eveything we have discussed this far, give up and try to learn somethng instead.
Not necessarily, for example: Lets assume im a gnome with +200% thief effectiveness. Youre a orc with +0% thif effectiveness.Quote:
Originally Posted by vines
I have 1 Raw Tpa. You have 2 Raw Tpa.
My mod tpa: 1*2*1.4=2.8 Mod Tpa
Your mod tpa: 2=2 Mod Tpa
Oh my goodness I'll say it again the greater the raw output of a province the greater the MOD out put.
Do not think of it in terms of race. Think of it in terms of Raw and MOD. If one's province has a high raw out put in tream of gc, military unit/acre, military eff, tpa/wpa. Then the greater affect modification will have have on that province via science and honor. For example if a Orc had 2tpa raw and got 20% crime science the mod would be greather vs. an gnome with gnome with 1.5rawtpa. The gnome will have a higher MODtpa but to the degree in which the science modified the raw tpa will be less.
Not if the gnome has higher modifiers! And in that case he wont need very much to get more mod tpa than the orc. Its enought with like +15% effeciency from either sci or td's.Quote:
Originally Posted by vines
Because 2.415>2.40
If you are going to quote me quote read the post. It is clear you didn't do that.
From what i can tell from your post, you are stating that 1.5<2, and that modifiers affects higher numbers more than lower numbers. But not very much else that is very useful.
vines, you're extremely confusing now (still). Would you please comment on my vines-math numbers and check if they're correct this time? And stop trying to change the subject with some bizarre comparison between orcs and gnomes, you said already to stop thinking about race as this is about science. Fact remains, getting at least moderate science levels is super important for your province no matter your strategy. It will improve both your growth rate and overall strength with very nice returns on your investment. You haven't presented a single comprehensible argument against it, except some numbers that were based on science giving 90x as much NW as they in fact do.
That is the whole reason I hold off on science until I can get the raw out puts that I want. Other wise it makes fine tuning a build much harder.
is this your first age vines? because you sound like you are new to the game. and above all, i see you discuss strategy in each and every thread, being wrong each and every time.
listen to this: getting "the raw out puts" is easy if you stagnate a little. that tough thing in this game is to get everything maxed while growing. finding a balance on how much to invest in each field is the key. As Catwalk said, it is critical to get moderate amounts of science, and that is why you have to invest in science too. First invested science points are even more useful.
This isn't his first age, I've had this same exact argument with him in my kingdom a few ages ago. Some of you guys have a lot more patience than I do.
Nope we are not we just got out of a war three days ago. Before we strated looking for a war I was 500acres by the end of the war I had more than doubled my size and I was still going strong but the king backed out. People say I'm doing everything wrong, yet for some reason I get great results.
Great! Then keep doing that! Just dont tell us.
And you never considered that there might be a reason why your king "backed out"? I would guess becuase he was targetted. Maybe you only attacked opponents much smaller than yourself, leaving alot of def at home, making your friends take the hits instead. Another reason could be that the enemy didnt see you as a threat, and therefore just didnt target you.
That you grow in a war isnt a proof that your prov is solid.
How your province fares in war is to a large extent random and not necessarily related to how good you are as a player or how strong your province is. In fact, it's often inversely related to province strength against good kingdoms, as strong provinces are targeted more often. Chances are they left your province alone because it was mostly harmless.
He was not targetted in fact I told there king if he attack our king I would attack him. And that keep him from attacking our king. The reason my and my team mate think is because he must had to go inactive a day or so. Harmless? dude I double my size in that war. I had arund 300+ unbuilt acres. Because in war staces my military can bust out 70opa/70dpa. Shocking I know. I don't even know how my province does it to tell you the truth.
Yes, I would consider you quite harmless. Were you overpopulated when posting those numbers above? Either that, or you ran 50% homes, or you're lying.
I'm running 50% homes. Don't hate the player--hate the game.
Did you red what both i and Catwalk wrote? How you do in a war is seldom based on how good you are.Quote:
Originally Posted by vines
And why didnt those 70 opa/70 dpa show in your cb? In fact, your cb were pretty far from that.
He is straight up lying now. In another thread he also said he had 6 raw tpa, and anyway, as someone said, the CB vines posted shows much worse numbers than that.
Vines stop shooting yourself in the foot. You've just told us you were 500 acres before the war, so you were probably hitting farms or complete noobs (who are still probs better than you at this game). If you don't want to listen to us that's fine, but stop posting your bullsh*t in the forums. All you are doing is confusing people who are here to learn.
Summation: Gnomes SHOULD get as much pop sci as possible
That's why we lost the war because some of our guys were getting messed up. But we are talking about strategies and we are learning from that war. Our kingdom wants to be a top warring kingdom and I think we can do it because we all have the right out look.
The my cb does not show 70opa/70dpa is because if it did no one would war us. But if they see my province looking the way it does it looks like a good target for honor and land. Using there greed to blind the opponent from the reality.
trefnwyd that's what our opponents were doing. They were attacking our inactives.
I was going for max gains and attacking the strongest attackers on there side. I did have 6rawtpa now I'm building up my tpa. It's almost back up to 6raw.
Vines nobody believes you anymore.
By all means, if it makes you feel better, keep posting imaginary numbers here. And keep telling yourself that you know how to play the game if you want...I'm tired of talking to a fool...
Okay I'll keep on doing that. Maybe sometime this age you will run across the RedMist don't worry everyone gets scared the first time.
You wouldn't happen to be in a kingdom around 3.5 million networth in size, Vines? We need a third war.
Nah we are 1.8net We were only have around 10 active players in our kingdom but every one is skilled or willing to put in the work to become skilled.
VT2 give me your kingdom number and island number and I'll be more happy to attack you if we happen to be the same size networh. But only after this war that we are going to go into.
I'm really not interested in wasting my time beating up a silly ghetto with a giant, bloated black hole of a gnome in it. Call me when you're bigger, and feel like getting your asses handed to you.
Judging from your numbers above, you'd have to suicide heavily to pierce me.
Shame, really.
I like said just give him your province's location.
Oh, sure - check your messages.
And he thought i were a fiend :P
So far, nothing at all.
I'm beginning to think the little n00b got all scared and stuff. Maybe it has something to do with the way my kingdom looks, or that he has to suicide to hit me with his 40k networth bigger gnome.
Well I see your military just got back. Your military SoM is all right. But I am a little disapointed. I got lucky on the first try other wise for sure I would have fail the op.
Someone you have said things that have been wrong. But I don't mind I let you keep thinking what you think. Because I don't care. To me it is never about who is right or wrong.
If you're talking about the whole 1/92=~0.01-thing...
Yes, here it is. Giving false information here can lead to someone making a false decision. And a false decision is a bad thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by vines
Utopia is, to an extent a game about maths. In math, right and wrong exists. 1=2 is wrong for example.
Nah I was talking about other things such as one being unable to get -36% attack time with 30%barrack while having a 100%BE.