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Please bestow the knowledge on me of why my previous post was "certified garbage and its a prime example of what's wrong with our game".
helps ahell of alot more then a merc pers will. Get ur qutting arse out irl.Quote:
Originally Posted by Realest
dont be mad, you realized you made a fatal error and now look like an idiot. it's ok, i dont judge you here, I'm here to help.
lol. avian merc does seem nice now. but my kingdom is too nublet for such an uber strat.
Realest this thread is a waste of time. Any complex questions people ask are just ignored. You are just picking and choosing questions that you can answer in 1 or 2 sentences.
why are you so mad? i've addressed every single question.
You didn't answer Bishop's question on page 2.
Wow, this is such a worthless post. Of course he's not going to be able to answer *every* single question on a longarse thread, but he's doing his best job to answer real, god honest questions from noobies trying to improve... Bishop's question wasn't a real question as much as poking fun of realest.Quote:
Originally Posted by Palem
Enjoy a temp ban. I'm reporting you to the mods for trolling.
O wait a minute, you ARE a mod.... forget that last part, thx.
He just said he's addressed every single question.Quote:
Originally Posted by Realest
Thx.
as I alluded to before, the goal of Realest is quite apparent when reading through the thread that he is not literally going to answer every question in these reaching 100 posts, but rather on a best effort basis for noobs which Bishop can hardly be counted among and even then, the post was a troll- he might as well may have asked what the meaning of life the universe and everything is to ReleastQuote:
Originally Posted by Palem
Asking for realest's opinions on two competing ways to launch a bank isn't quite the same as a profound philosophical question...
Whether or not it was a serious question, I think it's an answer that some people would enjoy hearing.
i thought it was serious. im in the buisness of learning the cows way.
Here's your answerQuote:
Originally Posted by Palem
who is bishop and why do i need to talk to this guy? someone wanna ask what he asked, cuz i dont read a Bishop post
Are you not allowed? Pity, it was a legitimate question I thought.
Unanswered Questions:
1. Bishop - "Realest: What do you think of banking oop and escaping versus waiting with killers, napping and then using pool?"
2. elixer - "I have a question. what is a good build strat, draft included with army distribution, for elf/cleric heavy attacker. i would like to see how it differs from my own strat. and this is for a ghetto that has no clue what its doing."
3. Martiana - "Hi, I am Faery/Rogue T/M.
please help with improvement for my strat
I have 4 wpa, 4 tpa, 75 dpa, 45 opa
Farms: (4%)
Forts: (10%)
Guard Stations: (28%)
Hospitals: (28%)
Guilds: (5%)
Thieves' Dens: (15%)
Watch Towers: (10%)"
4. sandwich - "Please bestow the knowledge on me of why my previous post was "certified garbage and its a prime example of what's wrong with our game"."
I'll admit that question 3 on that list is probably from a troll, because that is worse than any Goteje strat.
doubling up killers is the easiest way to play and im a fan of lazy. It was the key element in us winning back to back.Quote:
Originally Posted by sandwich
this doesnt give me enough information to tell you anything. Acre size? kd size? science? objectives? etc.Quote:
2. elixer - "I have a question. what is a good build strat, draft included with army distribution, for elf/cleric heavy attacker. i would like to see how it differs from my own strat. and this is for a ghetto that has no clue what its doing."
stop trolling.Quote:
3. Martiana - "Hi, I am Faery/Rogue T/M.
please help with improvement for my strat
I have 4 wpa, 4 tpa, 75 dpa, 45 opa
Farms: (4%)
Forts: (10%)
Guard Stations: (28%)
Hospitals: (28%)
Guilds: (5%)
Thieves' Dens: (15%)
Watch Towers: (10%)"
Simple answer: you're not me.Quote:
4. sandwich - "Please bestow the knowledge on me of why my previous post was "certified garbage and its a prime example of what's wrong with our game"."
Long answer: people come in looking for expert advice which I can give. Since I don't know you, you're probably just a nub and not worth mine or anyone's time. Kindly move along and get out of my thread.
(Complete noob talking here) If I wanted to go avian/merchant in a ghetto, with the goal of just being a big, effective attacker, how should I go about doing that? What army composition should I go for, where should I pour my science, what is a good TPA/WPA? Is there any general thought process that I should have?
same with tpyo, I'd like to go Av/Merc. but here, I'm not planning to become big, but rather stay close with the kd. What's a good building strat for it?
Yeah since people keep mentioning me now and then, i have to tell you all that basically realest purpose with this thread is to encourage everyone to go for max land gains at all times and keep growing and growing as big as they can so him and his kd can have an easier time feeding on all of you.
As i have always recommended to any ghetto kd and player, dont be getting more land that you can keep and stay at your level.
Theres really no point in growing more than 1000, 2000 acres other than an ego trip.
In the end of the last 3 ages, most top 100 kds, from top 100 to top 40, have most of their provinces between 2,000 and 5,000 acres. And in the end of the age where everyone goes mad and land whores to raise in the charts, if you are around this sizes ppl will feed on you and theres nothing you can do about it.
Basically in order to get big and get land, you need a well organized kingdom of 25 players that log in twice a day and are married with the game.
Even logging in twice a day takes a lot of time and effort , so if your kingdom is a ghetto like 90% of the kds in the whole world of utopia are, odds are that you will never play in a kd that can hold its land .
If you want to grow as big as you can, you should try joining more active kingdoms that normally end up top 50.
But then agian, the lack of this kind of kingdoms reflects that the vas majority of players in this game dont have the time needed nor the will to spend the time into achieving greater land or chart gains.
If you are playing this game to have fun, to destroy enemies, to feel teamship and victories as well as disastrous defeats some times, all you need is to stay between 400 to 1500 acres. This way you can keep fighting kingdoms at your level, and dont need 100% players always active.
You can get away with fighting with a 70% active kingdom and still win many wars and have great fun.
Ghetto war strategies
I have fought many wars where we did tons of massacres, we even tried an almost all massacre war, 80% of the time we massacred and in the last day the people that needed land did max gains and the ones who didnt went for learns .
If you want a sure victory, start by razing the enemy right out of war, dont do learns or massacres, just straight up raze the most active enemy provinces, which are the ones that attack twice a day , just spy on the news and hit the people who are attacking everyday.
In the ghetto you dont want to come out too fat, this is why max gains is not recommendable, although it probably is the best strat to win wars, if you max gains all the time, being a ghetto, people will end up feeding on you, which is something you dont want to feel. Being fed on and not being able to do a thing about it, is the worst feeling of them all, i think many of you who read this can agree.
So get good at giving out targets, doing at lot of massacres and razes, the people in your side who is getting hit for land, make them go for max gains. Focus on giving them aid in gold and soldiers so they can keep bouncing.
If most of your kd is between 800 and 1500 acres, dont let the provinces that are in your kd go below 500 ever, in the ghetto the enemy will usually always focus on trying to get 1 province by 1 under 400 acres.
All in all, some of realest advice is ok, but he is pretty much just a troll that plays utopia 24/7, i dont judge him , how cool that he found his passion in life, but hes pretty much brain dead now. IF you have a life and stuff , you probably will never have the time to play against realest or at his level.
And in the ghetto the advice you can find from me in this forums is around 100 times better than what any pro can give you. Because my advice, is for and works in the ghetto.
7 war wins in a row last age confirms, and 5 the age before that one.
If you want the best ghetto advice , read my posts. If you want pro advice that will only get you bottomfed, listen to realest .
i was wondering where you were...
So does this mean your advice is like per say afro-engineered, knock-off, or poor? and Realest's is proffesional, skillful, and expert.Quote:
Originally Posted by gojete
Well if youre white and racist and believe in the idea of progress , conquering the neighoubrs, achieving wealth through abuse , genocides, massacres , close mindedness , rape plunder , destroying the oceans polluting them, raping the forest,mindless consume , destroying all nature which in the end will lead the human race to extinction , then thats exactly what i mean Jo3MoMMa, my way is the superior way , sustainable growth , conquer of the universe, non nature trashing .
You choose
lets just pick this up real sustainable growth is no growth. Or much much bigger than your nearest competitor.Quote:
Originally Posted by gojete
When we exhaust the Wol to extinction we can finally retire. Why are you so against retirement? Have you no heart?
Growth is never stagnant . One can always keep warrying and losing and gaining acres and regaining land, do more plunders etc, theres not such thing as a perfectly static province when one wars a lot .
Even if you had maxed out all of your science , all leets army whatever super wpa tpa , the perfect province, in war someone is going to learn you, raze you, trad you, ns you, etc .
1500 max acres is the recommended size for the ghetto. This is what will keep you safe from the vultures and keep you fighting people at your level.
If you want to quit the game cause you get pissed off that your kd cant retal for you and bigger kds are always picking on you, then go ahead max gain everytime.
you may not exhaust wol to extinction and retire, it would be too dangerous to release you into the real world with all the free time in your hands . God knows what you would be doing if utopia didnt exist. It?s for the best of everyone including yourselves that wol never dies and you are trapped in here for life until you see the wrongness of your ways
Last time I dabbled in the real world I turned a catholic school girl into a drug addict stripper. I do so much wish to be free again!
Realest: Say your kingdom waves a ghetto and they, knowing that they are inferior, do not declare and instead retal war you indefinitely. They don't have the activity to give you the button. What is the best way to bait such a kd into battle?
Well boss, i'd rather learn, become decently good, then help the others in my kingdom learn, and then compete with the vultures.Quote:
Originally Posted by gojete
I play for fun, but its not fun being mediocre, or the best of the worst.
To get back on track, whats the best way to get more activity out of your kingdom
Join a more active kingdom
I dont want to spam realest post so this will probably be my last one in a while
jo3momma ,you seem kinda stuck in a belief that staying at 1500 acres and warrying non stop is useless mediocre and that you wont learn anything from it ? I wonder what is best, to war non stop keeping sizes or to war non stop max gaining. What do you think will teach you the most without your provinces defecting due to bottomfeeding from people that you cant retal against ?
Whats so wrong about winning some war wins in a row against people at your own level or lower, giving confidence to the kingdom, being able to test war strategies and knowing what your provinces are capable of ?
Building the morale and the lack of fear from losing , and lack of fear that your kd will disband if seriously trashed?
Staying at the same size, max 1500 acres guarantees that you will face all kind of kingdoms, some harder that others, you might even lose and all that.
On the contrary if you go max gains all the time, and win 2 wars, youll pretty much end up losing every war afterwards , what kind of moral your kd will have with 5 war losses in a row compared to 5 war wins ? How much do your provinces will want to play and be active in a kingdom that loses all the time compared to a kingdom that wins all the time ?
Staying small means that you can easily rebuild and recover from a previous war, while if you go max gaining it will take a week or more for any ghetto to be ready to war again, how many wars in a row can you have with max gaining and be ready for each one, vs how many wars in a row can you have being ready if you keep your sizes.
Again , gaining acres is nothing more than an ego trip, a professional player that has played other games other than utopia can clearly see the advantages to staying at a size than trying to chew up acres and miserably failing .
Take it from a pro, if you are in a ghetto try staying small, max 1500 acres, once you easily beat 10 kingdoms in a grow and have a tight team of mofos that like destroying and pillage then go for 2000 acres, then for 2500 and so on.
Its pretty much like a light weight eating himself up so semi heavy weight just to be pounded so bad that he has to quit boxing. Aint nothing wrong in learning and getting better .
If you want to turbo into the top 30 then find an already set up kingdom that takes you, a lot of semi organized to organized kds are in need for players, look at the top 100 kds in see how many dont fill up 25 players, take your chances there, offer to pay up the 40 credits for the invite, prove yourself worthy with money
Instead of blindingly being against things you dont agree with, you should force yourself to see the reason behind it however hard it might be .
As for making the kd more active, join a more active kd, or 2 kill everyone who is not active.
If your provinces do not obey you when you tell them to kill someone , it really means that everyone in that kd is worthless for your goals.
If your goal is to have a 25 player kd that can compete against top 100 to top 30 kds, then you need only people that are commited to the game.
Killing everyone who is not up for this is way easier than trying to motivate people into playing.
If you want to motivate people into being more active you need to win wars , give proper orders, givfe the right targets, the kd must feel like its making progress at all times . When the kd feels like its stagnant, make up an emergency somehow.
Look how your polititians rule you in real life, making up chaos and making the population be scared all the time, make your provinces feel the fear that if they are not active everything will be lost and misery and destruction will come.
That said keep in mind that its really hard to have a kd more than 70% active at all times.
Some people get lazy some times but are very active at other times. The trick if you are a monarch is to have contact with whomever is active at the time. Use your kd chat , and send private messages to the people that are active at the time. Some people might need a rest sometime so dont push them until they feel like coming back to track again.
Managing the kd is an effort of everyone, eventually if you are doing good, you should have 3 people that are able and willing to take on monarchy , maybe you cant be monarch for a week or 3 and someone else can take your place, and when they get drained someone else or you again can take it. IT has to be a team effort. And splitting and sharing monarchies should not be a problem every.
If there is bad energy in the kingdom, people attacking each other and so on , activity will reduce naturally.
Remember that its best not to debate or argue, but to discuss and comment.
Everyone should post what they think, and not be ridiculed for their thoughts. Instead of replying to individual posts, let everyone have their say, and promote that no one argues against or debates against anyone else ideas, but instead just post what they think themselves as if they had not read anything before.
When everyone says what they think in a clean way , then you can start commenting on posts from others , by then all of you will have a more clear picture of what to do.
If instead from start people start arguing , debating, agreeing or disagreeing , you will be stucked in that circle forever.
Get out of that circle asap and youll see results effective immediately .
btw you should try to see why you think staying small is mediocre or the best of the worse. If you go really really deep into it youll see the falseness of your arguments . Or you cant stay stuck in them
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i didnt read your post its really long,
my posts mostly play on the words used nothing more
you always say at the gheto lvl, thats what your advice is for
i would like to surpass the ghettos at some point
thats all i meant,
easy answer, commit to learning and join a kd that has someone that can teach you... all gameplay in the ghetto means absolutely nothing other than you may (or may not) understand what all of the abbreviations are.
There's enough kds recruiting that more or less understand the game and require what they require. Top 10 gameplay can be no more than 10 minutes of active Utopia a day for MOST players. 45mins-1hr a day of focus is standard in war and goes up with commitments and inversely with skill level (better kds = less time needed), but you do need to be able to run your own prov which might take a good number of ages to understand. If you're really pressed for time, good players can go explorer/bank and commit to less than 15 minutes a day easy.
Just find somewhere you can learn and you can be on the path to getting out of the ghetto fairly quickly if you're not incredibly stupid.
wasnt exactly a question, more of a rebuttal for gojete, but ugh thx
lol gojete, for someone who criticizes others for having no life you write awfully long posts ;). Id still like to join your kingdom if you have an invite
Realest, whats your take on activity vs. skill
skill trumps activity.
agreed :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Realest
how do i afford extreme science every hour as a non-sage? best i can manage is being able to afford it for ~18 hours a day without losing money...
Increase your peasants per acre.