Sleeper kingdom for Age 53: Inzzolence

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07-02-2012, 22:14
the great kN herself

I think you've all missed the point of the thread which was:

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Originally Posted by Realest

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I also believe kN is onboard, and we all know she is the key ingredient of any winning kingdom. Check Pantheon as the most recent example
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kN is crowning age 53.
07-02-2012, 22:15
protector

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Originally Posted by Proteus

Don't pick on Anri or I will join Simians and farm all of you ghettos out.

Please do, bring them to greater hights like you have done with Rage! :)

ps. I have a crown, does that count?
07-02-2012, 23:47
KuhaN

Well, before you guys get further butthurt from my posts, I would like to say, imo, a kd like Dreamworks in my eyes performed better this round than a kd like Insolence, although they were higher up in the charts. And although WWs may be meaningless to many of you, it's a nice indicator to see who was the actual superior kingdom in the conflict.

To me, when kd A withdraws from kd B, it means that in the long run kd A would have lost acres, and kd B would've came out ahead. Although kd A did a "tactical withdraw" and came up a bit in acres, it does not mean that they are the actual superior kd, the kd with the WW is, and if the two kds warred each other a million times, the kd with the WW would come out ahead on acres in the long run. Also, a lot of players in the game don't do CEs on kds, or read the articles, so basically the only indication they get of superior kds is the little WW slot located on the kd page. A KD with 5/5 WWs in the top 10 basically means, to a lot of people, that the kd beat 5 other top 10 kds in that particular round. Now, if you guy's dont care about ghetto players opinions, or I'd say about 75% of the players in the game's opinions, then kudos, and keep doing what you're doing. Enjoy!

Now remember, this is just my opinion, no need to get upset kids. I already know that I'm a noob, and that you're "lawling" all over the place.
08-02-2012, 00:21
Proteus

Quote:

Originally Posted by KuhaN

Well, before you guys get further butthurt from my posts, I would like to say, imo, a kd like Dreamworks in my eyes performed better this round than a kd like Insolence, although they were higher up in the charts. And although WWs may be meaningless to many of you, it's a nice indicator to see who was the actual superior kingdom in the conflict.

To me, when kd A withdraws from kd B, it means that in the long run kd A would have lost acres, and kd B would've came out ahead. Although kd A did a "tactical withdraw" and came up a bit in acres, it does not mean that they are the actual superior kd, the kd with the WW is, and if the two kds warred each other a million times, the kd with the WW would come out ahead on acres in the long run. Also, a lot of players in the game don't do CEs on kds, or read the articles, so basically the only indication they get of superior kds is the little WW slot located on the kd page. A KD with 5/5 WWs in the top 10 basically means, to a lot of people, that the kd beat 5 other top 10 kds in that particular round. Now, if you guy's dont care about ghetto players opinions, or I'd say about 75% of the players in the game's opinions, then kudos, and keep doing what you're doing. Enjoy!

Now remember, this is just my opinion, no need to get upset kids. I already know that I'm a noob, and that you're "lawling" all over the place.

I always say when you are farming/owning a kingdom, there is no need for you to withdraw. I mean why withdraw when you are taking their acres, of course you are going to keep on doing it. Now there are some setups that can gain acres in a min-time fight and then have to withdraw to protect their gains which really isn't winning-thats a hit in run. When kingdom A is owning kingdom B and gaining tons of acres, then Kingdom B is going to be the one to withdraw - there is no need for Kingdom A to withdraw when it is the clear winner as in the case I just illustrated.

However, there are certain situations when say you are crowning but are in a war-mid age and your rivals are dicing. Of course the goal there is going to be to take as many acres as you can in the shortest time possible and end the conflict-you aren't going to stick it out for a 1 week war just to get a WW when your goal is #1 land. However, like I said before if you are farming your enemy in war there is no need to withdraw. Only time you withdraw when you know you cant sustain your efforts & will end up giving back all land (then its tactical to withdraw to keep what you earned, thus making your efforts worthwhile rather than warring for the sake of warring and having nothing to show for it) and the other reason would be when its an even matched war and your rivals are out dicing you while you are simply remaining static in war.

Hope that adds some perspective.
08-02-2012, 00:56
stefan_e85

Wierd? Rules dont apply same to people?

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Originally Posted by bante

why keep reminding them not to post locations, instead of ban them for doing so like what u did to my mate??? or are u just bias??:

Wierd? Rules dont apply same to people? I did get banned for 24h when I posted location... But when others do they just get a warning? Why so? I mean are we not all for being threated the same? No disrespect to you Just wnat to know why...
08-02-2012, 07:10
Proteus

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Originally Posted by stefan_e85

Wierd? Rules dont apply same to people? I did get banned for 24h when I posted location... But when others do they just get a warning? Why so? I mean are we not all for being threated the same? No disrespect to you Just wnat to know why...

Dont trust the police, no justice no peace
08-02-2012, 08:01
Palem

*bans everyone for posting locations in a very coordinated secret code*
08-02-2012, 08:21
protector

Quote:

Originally Posted by KuhaN

Well, before you guys get further butthurt from my posts, I would like to say, imo, a kd like Dreamworks in my eyes performed better this round than a kd like Insolence, although they were higher up in the charts. And although WWs may be meaningless to many of you, it's a nice indicator to see who was the actual superior kingdom in the conflict.

To me, when kd A withdraws from kd B, it means that in the long run kd A would have lost acres, and kd B would've came out ahead. Although kd A did a "tactical withdraw" and came up a bit in acres, it does not mean that they are the actual superior kd, the kd with the WW is, and if the two kds warred each other a million times, the kd with the WW would come out ahead on acres in the long run.

As I said before that's very situational and also depends on a kingdoms preference, strategy and setup. If your setup doesn't support a long war, you should not stay in war too long. If you're getting beaten, you probably shouldn't stay in war too long either, unless your only goal is to get that +1. There have been plenty situations where a kingdom is loosing, but refuses to withdraw. Does that mean if you to a 'tactical withdraw', that you're just wding to save the acres?? What you say may apply to some wars, but dont put it down as if it is the case in every war, because its not.

If you take our war vs Sanctuary as example. We had 7 attackers on 10k+ acres and we prevented their cow from 4tapping every wave. Those 7 attackers where 'unbreakable' to any of their provinces.
Every wave our gains would increase; their core would max on ours, and on both sides we had lots of <6k provinces who where 2-4tapping eachother. Had we stayed in war those exchanges would continue, our 10k+ would continue growing from their 7k+ and their cow would continue growing also. In the end we would continue to get more acres, but we would give their cow a crown he does not deserve imo.

Say your kingdom wants to war kingdoms who are ranked top10. Say your kingdom is 120k acres, and the top10 ranges from 100-150k, then what's the point in stagnating in a war for days/weeks? Sometimes its just better to end one war so you can get another. I'd prefer 7 wars of 4 days each, over having 2 wars which both last 10 days. Again, kingdoms preferences here, so that might differ for you or others :)

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Originally Posted by KuhaN

A KD with 5/5 WWs in the top 10 basically means, to a lot of people, that the kd beat 5 other top 10 kds in that particular round.

What? So it is impossible a kingdom starts the age at say rank 100, then wars itself up throughout the age and ends on #8 with having a 5/5 war record? As far as I know, Dreamworks had 4/4 before they even reached top10.
08-02-2012, 08:37
KuhaN

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Originally Posted by prot

As I said before that's very situational and also depends on a kingdoms preference, strategy and setup. If your setup doesn't support a long war, you should not stay in war too long. If you're getting beaten, you probably shouldn't stay in war too long either, unless your only goal is to get that +1. There have been plenty situations where a kingdom is loosing, but refuses to withdraw. Does that mean if you to a 'tactical withdraw', that you're just wding to save the acres?? What you say may apply to some wars, but dont put it down as if it is the case in every war, because its not.

If you take our war vs Sanctuary as example. We had 7 attackers on 10k+ acres and we prevented their cow from 4tapping every wave. Those 7 attackers where 'unbreakable' to any of their provinces.
Every wave our gains would increase; their core would max on ours, and on both sides we had lots of <6k provinces who where 2-4tapping eachother. Had we stayed in war those exchanges would continue, our 10k+ would continue growing from their 7k+ and their cow would continue growing also. In the end we would continue to get more acres, but we would give their cow a crown he does not deserve imo.

Say your kingdom wants to war kingdoms who are ranked top10. Say your kingdom is 120k acres, and the top10 ranges from 100-150k, then what's the point in stagnating in a war for days/weeks? Sometimes its just better to end one war so you can get another. I'd prefer 7 wars of 4 days each, over having 2 wars which both last 10 days. Again, kingdoms preferences here, so that might differ for you or others :)

What? So it is impossible a kingdom starts the age at say rank 100, then wars itself up throughout the age and ends on #8 with having a 5/5 war record? As far as I know, Dreamworks had 4/4 before they even reached top10.

Well the same goes for kds not running orcs, u cant think they performed worse because they didnt finish above you in the land charts. With your guys mentality just run solid orcs, or avians, and wd while ahead in acres, and then EoA cf if possible. To the second quote... it's not impossible obv, and thats one of the reasons a WW chart will be stupid. Anyways, fair enough with your reasonings.
08-02-2012, 09:15
Bishop

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Originally Posted by stefan_e85

Wierd? Rules dont apply same to people? I did get banned for 24h when I posted location... But when others do they just get a warning? Why so? I mean are we not all for being threated the same? No disrespect to you Just wnat to know why...

You got a warning 20 posts before you broke the forum rules.

http://forums.utopia-game.com/showth...1#post15129550 <-- warning

http://forums.utopia-game.com/showth...1#post15131028 <-- infraction
08-02-2012, 10:50
hint

To Kuhan and Proteus, there is also a 3rd scenario. Often you need to Choose if you go for a war win or for acres and it can be different strategies for each(for example if u start off with disabling t/m threats or ignore them, who u chain, do u go for econ/FB, what drakes etc). If your opponent is good enough to realize that you are going for longer term, they will instead just make a tactical WD and you end up losing acres. And if you play for acres, who will be the actual loser then? Not that black and white.
09-02-2012, 18:34
Realest

i just realized the biggest problem that inzz may have this age is figuring out how to avoid a wave from simians.
10-02-2012, 00:39
Syntico

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Originally Posted by Realest

i just realized the biggest problem that inzz may have this age is figuring out how to avoid a wave from simians.

Birds of a feather.
10-02-2012, 05:18
nipster

to some people WW crown is all that matters, its all we've ever gone for and have won it numerous times.
10-02-2012, 05:26
Realest

that is why nobody remembers your name.
10-02-2012, 07:35
DDodge

Epic
10-02-2012, 07:52
Age of Ambush

Pros go after the ego crown.
10-02-2012, 13:08
Anri

Quote:

Originally Posted by Realest

i just realized the biggest problem that inzz may have this age is figuring out how to avoid a wave from simians.

Maybe they get lucky with the islands and hide well ;-)
10-02-2012, 14:52
Lamersen11

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Originally Posted by Realest

that is why nobody remembers your name.

I lol'ed. Well played sir
10-02-2012, 15:19
nipster

not using my real name, we did get 3 WW crowns in a row though
10-02-2012, 16:08
clarey

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Originally Posted by nipster

not using my real name, we did get 3 WW crowns in a row though

There is no chart for war wins.
10-02-2012, 16:38
Bishop

was clarey, was.
10-02-2012, 17:01
dbc

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Originally Posted by Bishop

was clarey, was.

were Bishop, were
10-02-2012, 19:05
Bishop

was is correct ;)

There was no chart for war wins.
There were no chart for war wins.
10-02-2012, 19:21
Godly

You think you're so smart Bishop, but I'm going to show you something tonight. You just wait
10-02-2012, 20:08
fuzzy|

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Originally Posted by nipster

not using my real name, we did get 3 WW crowns in a row though

there is no such things a WW crown - dont make things up so you feel important
10-02-2012, 21:16
Korp

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Originally Posted by fuzzy|

there is no such things a WW crown - dont make things up so you feel important

There is now.
11-02-2012, 00:00
Realest

there has also been racial and island crown for ages. But again the premise stands. Who cares about those?
11-02-2012, 01:00
Anri

The countdown has started

Who will be lucky #1 and get waved =)
errr j/k

going small and warring this age so have fun inso and GL
11-02-2012, 05:24
Realest

[Sat 00:11:47] <Aventador> [Sat 00:08:42] <Proteus> inzzolence is a ****ing ghetto
[Sat 00:11:47] <Aventador> [Sat 00:08:43] <Proteus> they suck
[Sat 00:11:53] <Aventador> Proteus has spoken
[Sat 00:12:32] <Proteus> i have no qualms about trolling them whatsoever
[Sat 00:12:57] <Proteus> it offends me when a ghetto with 0 crowns thinks they can just go recruit some players and have a good chance of winning land crown
[Sat 00:13:21] <Proteus> that bascially means the expertise of the rest of us who have been winning in the past is worthless and anyone who WANTS to win has a good chance
[Sat 00:13:40] <Proteus> thats basically equivalence of me saying im going to win a US Open trophey because i want to

This was deep and profound. I dare anyone to provide a stronger counter argument.
11-02-2012, 07:12
Jo3MoMMa

Anyone, cool, cause that's easy to do
its simple and im gonna assume you mean tennis

Of course noone would expect you to win a US Open trophy, you sit in front of a computer screen all day

Everyone should know a guy named Roger Federer, whether you watch tennis or not, he won the US Open like 5 or 6 times in a row

Then he lost to some guy named Juan Martin del Potro, a good player, but he never won anything big
It didnt matter how much "expertise" Federer had, he still lost

Im no huge fan of anybody's, but you act like these guys are picking up the sticks to a playstation for the first time and your the only one who ever had one b4.
11-02-2012, 09:45
DDodge

holy $h!t

my money has to be placed on Rage at this point... or is Fury viable contender this age?
11-02-2012, 10:13
Korp

Quote:

Originally Posted by Realest

[Sat 00:11:47] <Aventador> [Sat 00:08:42] <Proteus> inzzolence is a ****ing ghetto
[Sat 00:11:47] <Aventador> [Sat 00:08:43] <Proteus> they suck
[Sat 00:11:53] <Aventador> Proteus has spoken
[Sat 00:12:32] <Proteus> i have no qualms about trolling them whatsoever
[Sat 00:12:57] <Proteus> it offends me when a ghetto with 0 crowns thinks they can just go recruit some players and have a good chance of winning land crown
[Sat 00:13:21] <Proteus> that bascially means the expertise of the rest of us who have been winning in the past is worthless and anyone who WANTS to win has a good chance
[Sat 00:13:40] <Proteus> thats basically equivalence of me saying im going to win a US Open trophey because i want to

This was deep and profound. I dare anyone to provide a stronger counter argument.

Bro its easy, just look at Proteus himself, hes so full of himself that it reeks. He has never had any solid crown winning skills yet he goes around talking smack. He aint no Realest or Syntico .. yet he talks like one.
11-02-2012, 10:25
Palem

Quote:

Originally Posted by Realest

This was deep and profound. I dare anyone to provide a stronger counter argument.

Godly + kN
12-02-2012, 03:10
Realest

Godly is a curse and kN is old and washed up.
12-02-2012, 04:41
the great kN herself

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Originally Posted by Palem

Godly + kN

Truest words ever spoken
12-02-2012, 22:24
black_mamba

i guess you guys aren't crowning anymore this age
12-02-2012, 22:28
KuhaN

I love all u gais. U all provide solid entertainment for me, hugs neone? :D
12-02-2012, 23:44
Realest

I believe in Inzzolence.
12-02-2012, 23:59
black_mamba

the sudden retirement of a mvp caliber player, i don't see it happening.. when mj retired the bulls weren't good enough to win

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