EOWCF is war or not?

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Originally Posted by Palem

EoWCF is not war. Suggesting that these two situations require the same amount of respect is absurd.

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I see what you did there. My point from the start till now.

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Originally Posted by Blundered

I must disagree, there have been plenty of times when I've come out of a war being 20-30% drafted with barely any defense left. I may be a very easy target for anyone who wants to take me and it would take me a while to come back to remotely fighting shape. Hence, any retaliation is out of the question for probably a month or two. So regardless if I focus 100% one them during this time, the impact I would have would be de minimus.

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It is not about whether you can defend your resources or not. It is about disrespecting 2 kingdoms (A - the one getting pounded & B - the one not getting their war).

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Originally Posted by Palem

@ Chicky - You realize Saints were plundering into EoWCF's right? i.e. acting like "pussies" (your words not mine) and taking resources off provs that weren't in very good shape from a war...

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Of course I do realize. But seriously, all of you NEVER touched ANY eowcf kingdom before? From the day you start playing utopia until now, not even once? Why make such a fuss on this issue. From what I see, yes, earlier I do disagree what Saints have done. It's just not right. But look at all of you, only joining the wave AFTER Kingdom C started PK. And claim that "Yeah Kingdom E is me! And we're taking revenge now, boo hoo!" As what I said, to close this meaningless threads, go msg Saints kingdom now and arrange a war with them. There're few weeks more before EOA. Do it clean. And stop making this PK culture grows. It'll only stop more players from playing utopia.

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Originally Posted by DHaran

An EOWCF is between two kingdoms, to all outside parties those kingdoms are in WAR status, as displayed on throne intel and kingdom page. So to say you are hitting into an EOWCF is inaccurate, YOU are hitting into a war. It's designed to limit outside interference for a reason, so if you hit into it unwarranted, don't cry when it comes back to bite you in the ass.

It's that simple.

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jebus i think for once we agree ;)

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Originally Posted by Palem

EoWCF is not war. EoWCF is the recovery period after a war. You aren't actively engaging ANYONE. If someone decides they want to hit into your EoWCF you can focus 100% of your efforts towards hitting them back/doing whatever you might want to do to them. You can't do the same in an active war because you're already engaged with your opponent.

Suggesting that these two situations require the same amount of respect is absurd. It's like saying if you're sitting on the sidelines catching your breath that you're still playing.

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omg i can hit into palems EoW cfs all age - sweet bro

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Originally Posted by fuzzy|

omg i can hit into palems EoW cfs all age - sweet bro

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That is not he meant. Hitting into EoWCF/War both are lame. I agree. But hitting into the war indirectly pissing off the other kingdom that trying to war.

Do not twist it.

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Originally Posted by qicquser1

That is not he meant. Hitting into EoWCF/War both are lame. I agree.
Do not twist it.

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you're confusing me. did you guys not hit into another kingdoms EoW cf which has thus ment that kingdom is now hitting into your war?

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Originally Posted by fuzzy|

omg i can hit into palems EoW cfs all age - sweet bro

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Of course you can. The game allows it, as what Bishop says. But now imagine you're at war with someone else, and Palem's kingdom came in and PK you. I came in as Kingdom D and attack you as well. Another kingdom called Kingdom E make a full wave mass learn on you as well. All these activities are done during your ACTIVE war. What will you feel?

Again, the same scenario, all the waves and PK from Kingdom D and E, BUT they did in after you finished your current ACTIVE war, when you're now under EoWCF. What will you feel now?

Are these 2 scenarios the same? Yes, because you hit into Palem's kingdom when he's under EoWCF. But getting pound during active war and EoWCF are 2 different stories already. And yet, soooo many forumers failed to understand this, while keep babbling about dishonor etc. Sounds like you yourself are not much better than Saints either.

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Originally Posted by ChickyMeal

Of course you can. The game allows it, as what Bishop says. But now imagine you're at war with someone else, and Palem's kingdom came in and PK you. I came in as Kingdom D and attack you as well. Another kingdom called Kingdom E make a full wave mass learn on you as well. All these activities are done during your ACTIVE war. What will you feel?

Again, the same scenario, all the waves and PK from Kingdom D and E, BUT they did in after you finished your current ACTIVE war, when you're now under EoWCF. What will you feel now?

Are these 2 scenarios the same? Yes, because you hit into Palem's kingdom when he's under EoWCF. But getting pound during active war and EoWCF are 2 different stories already. And yet, soooo many forumers failed to understand this, while keep babbling about dishonor etc. Sounds like you yourself are not much better than Saints either.

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if you say so - I would not hit into another kingdoms war (including EoW cf) period unless it happens to my kingdom 1st.

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Originally Posted by fuzzy|

you're confusing me. did you guys not hit into another kingdoms EoW cf which has thus ment that kingdom is now hitting into your war?

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Hit into EoWCF, you pissed off 1 kd

Hit into active war, you pissed off 2 kd.

2 lines. Simple and clear.

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Originally Posted by ChickyMeal

Of course I do realize. But seriously, all of you NEVER touched ANY eowcf kingdom before? From the day you start playing utopia until now, not even once? Why make such a fuss on this issue. From what I see, yes, earlier I do disagree what Saints have done. It's just not right. But look at all of you, only joining the wave AFTER Kingdom C started PK. And claim that "Yeah Kingdom E is me! And we're taking revenge now, boo hoo!" As what I said, to close this meaningless threads, go msg Saints kingdom now and arrange a war with them. There're few weeks more before EOA. Do it clean. And stop making this PK culture grows. It'll only stop more players from playing utopia.

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Hitting into someone's EoWcf is a bit different the purposefully searching for kd's in their EoWcf's all age and conducting full plunder waves into these kd's. I'm pretty sure most have hit into a EoWcf whether on accident or purpose. But having leadership of the kd instruct their mates to search kd's in their eowcf's for plunder targets is a little below the belt IMO.

By the sounds of multiple kd's making arguments against saints, it seems like they have been targeting kd's that were in eowcf all age. What I say to that is 2 provinces PKed is a pretty light punishment if you have been doing it to kds all age long (there was one guy who said they did it to his kd 3 different times throughout the age)

is any other kingdom actively hitting into other kingdoms EoW cf's this age or just Sa1nts?

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Originally Posted by fuzzy|

if you say so - I would not hit into another kingdoms war (including EoW cf) period unless it happens to my kingdom 1st.

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Exactly! Because hitting either during war / EoWCF are indeed lame and the risk is there. But to me, at least, if you wanna revenge, do a proper one. Look at the other threads and these threads, all yapping about dishonor when hitting into wars bla bla bla, while they themselves, as a leader of a kingdom, failed to calculate the weight of the actions done and the reasonable punishment for it. To me, the seriousness of getting plundered and PK are completely different levels, period!

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Originally Posted by ofgortens

there was one guy who said they did it to his kd 3 different times throughout the age

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I have not instructed anyone in my kingdom to do whatever they say we did to the kd. Be it hits or robbing. Throughout the whole age, I have more important things to do than to check every plunder we made to make sure it is not into anyone's EoWCF. Worse if I have to monitor who they steal from.

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Originally Posted by fuzzy|

is any other kingdom actively hitting into other kingdoms EoW cf's this age or just Sa1nts?

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Based on the community, it seems like only Saints are doing it, in which I doubt it. I myself as a steward, also cannot guarantees my kingdom mates are not doing it. As what Bishop says, do it at your own risk.

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Originally Posted by fuzzy|

is any other kingdom actively hitting into other kingdoms EoW cf's this age or just Sa1nts?

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This is not something anyone can stand up to. We, ourselves getting robbed/plundered into our EoWCF before. But we chose not to get any payback as there is no reason to. Rebuilding is still intact and no harm done. That is before the conflict begins.

From this instance, we changed our policy. Any hits into our EoWCF, will be dealt with what we have received. Because the community at large agrees to it.

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Originally Posted by ChickyMeal

Based on the community, it seems like only Saints are doing it, in which I doubt it. I myself as a steward, also cannot guarantees my kingdom mates are not doing it. As what Bishop says, do it at your own risk.

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yip - its not against game rules, just lame

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Originally Posted by qicquser1

This is not something anyone can stand up to. We, ourselves getting robbed/plundered into our EoWCF before. But we chose not to get any payback as there is no reason to. Rebuilding is still intact and no harm done. That is before the conflict begins.

From this instance, we changed our policy. Any hits into our EoWCF, will be dealt with what we have received. Because the community at large agrees to it.

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No doubt, our kingdom suffers the same too, and as you said, yeah, no harm was done so we just let it go. That's the reason why I feel these threads are a joke. Last age I myself also plundered someone during EoWCF who holds 25 mil gc at home with lame def.. Just can't help it haha.. I guess by doing so, I'm actually deserved to be PK (according to the majority here..). What a joke!

Our revenge was independent of any other actions by other KDs that have occurred. Like I said you hit us while we are at war, we just got out of ours, so now we hit you back. Not going to razekill, just 1 wave. You are allowed to do so by the rules of the game but it is considered scummy and low; therefore, you must deal with the scummy and low consequences. I don't think there is anything more to talk about. If you think you are being victimized by the circumstances maybe you are being fairly victimized because of all the other lower KDs you have been doing this to finally have a chance to get what was taken from them without fear for a war. This is a pretty easy learning experience, I think the message is clear, and I think its more than fair. If we were/had razekilled maybe you would have something to cry about, but we are not.

Well Saints, good luck in handling your diplo with all these kingdoms. Definitely a sad case in failing to be crowned this age because of this issue. But oh well, there'll be many more ages to come in future.

To all monarchs out there, settle dispute as a man! Stop being a pussy but at the same time acting like a hero. Your actions are lame, period!

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Originally Posted by qicquser1

I have not instructed anyone in my kingdom to do whatever they say we did to the kd. Be it hits or robbing. Throughout the whole age, I have more important things to do than to check every plunder we made to make sure it is not into anyone's EoWCF. Worse if I have to monitor who they steal from.

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You may not have instructed anything like this but given the amount of KDs who have complained about your general behavior for your provinces to keep hitting into EOWCF, it appears that you have not discouraged the behavior either.

You are acting like you can't enforce your KD to not make one-off hits into other EOWCF and that I can agree with, but this looks like a consistent pattern that has been going on for a while which makes me think its a strategy rather than an "accident". You are being way too self-righteous in this dilemma. The fact is that you have consistently been targeting KDs who are in EOWCF for easy resources and now you are whining when people are retaliating you. Karma?

eek Karma, I heard she is a btch.
After that wave I did notice something. Hostility points are not tracked if you hit into a KD that is at war. I think that it should be. That way a KD waved at war has the option to declare or retal with favorable relations when they get out. Saints (even though I do not pity them) wont have any hostlities with KS that wave them while at war so they wont be able to declare... Anyone else think that's strange..?

This is new to me because I don't hit into people's wars, so i wouldn't know until now.

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Originally Posted by Blundered

You may not have instructed anything like this but given the amount of KDs who have complained about your general behavior for your provinces to keep hitting into EOWCF, it appears that you have not discouraged the behavior either.

You are acting like you can't enforce your KD to not make one-off hits into other EOWCF and that I can agree with, but this looks like a consistent pattern that has been going on for a while which makes me think its a strategy rather than an "accident". You are being way too self-righteous in this dilemma. The fact is that you have consistently been targeting KDs who are in EOWCF for easy resources and now you are whining when people are retaliating you. Karma?

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Still back to my argument. Settle EoWCF issues in EoWCF. Not into my active war.

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Originally Posted by Palem

EoWCF is not war. EoWCF is the recovery period after a war. You aren't actively engaging ANYONE. If someone decides they want to hit into your EoWCF you can focus 100% of your efforts towards hitting them back/doing whatever you might want to do to them. You can't do the same in an active war because you're already engaged with your opponent.

Suggesting that these two situations require the same amount of respect is absurd. It's like saying if you're sitting on the sidelines catching your breath that you're still playing.

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it is not absurd, it is lame and called opportunistic, it is the same way where people can hit into active wars. the two kingdom that engaged in the war and eowcf has no concern to outsiders. hitting into either of them is OOW.

what is more absurd is people trying to justify hitting kingdom whether they are active or recovering. when the page clearly shows in "war".

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Originally Posted by rose89

Allow me to conduct a short English lesson here for idiots (if you admit yourself as one)

Your EOWCF i believe you mean END of WAR Cease Fire. By the meaning of END means finish, no more.

So your question of "EOWCF is war or not", the 100% correct answer is "NO".

Simple example I can give you is "END of LIFE", means death. Saying "YES" for question "EOWCF is war or not", is just as stupid and as idiotic as saying "YES" for question "END of LIFE is ALIVE or not". Stop making yourselves stupid by saying "YES"

End of English lesson.

Back to utopia.

I agree that EOWCF is part of war ( death is part of life as above example) but definitely not war.

For TS to ask such question, he is either on one of these 2 sides:

1) KD which plunder EOWCF KD
If you are this, no worry, there isn't anything wrong here as stated by Bishop.
You did not actually spoil people's game as win-lose already determined. Lets compare to people who spoil other's war ( Kingdom C), just because of "want-to-revenge" previous EOWCF plunders.

2) EOWCF KD which plundered by other
If you are this, sorry I can't help you on this. Back and cry to your papa so he will buy a new and better computer for you to play other better games.

Conclusion, EOWCF is for post-war recovery, only idiots think that they are invincible during EOWCF. I am directly pointing at for this.
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I've only read through page three so far. I figured I would stop and point out what a horrible English lesson this was. There are numerous grammar and punctuation errors in your post. There is nothing wrong with that if you weren't trying to act like you were giving an English lesson. Since you did, you made yourself look foolish.

Now that I'm done with that, who are these ghettoes?

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Originally Posted by qicquser1

Still back to my argument. Settle EoWCF issues in EoWCF. Not into my active war.

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LOL ! You don't get to choose your punishment. Deal with it. You got two options, settle it with a cf, or give the other kd a lesson once again and show them that you dictate the terms.
But you have to admit, they did play it well, knowing what would hurt your kingdom most.
Everything comes with a price.

War's over, everyone is free to make use of Sa1nts resources as they see fit right?

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Originally Posted by BungArm

War's over, everyone is free to make use of Sa1nts resources as they see fit right?

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Yes. but the utopian general public policy says i get to razekill anyone in the time of my choosing. :)

Just to answer the question. EoWCF is still considerd war.

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Originally Posted by BungArm

I didn't like the bit where sa1nts wanted to turn the war into a FW when they couldn't handle their self inflicted situation.

<eQx> Yo roughies
<eQx> Tad here?
<&Bungy> No
<eQx> anybody can get him here? lol
<&Bungy> No
<&Bungy> Why?
<eQx> since (Kingdom C) is dead on to raze kill us. This war has no meaning anymore
<&Bungy> And?
<eQx> we both cease all attacks...and let my kd handle with 1(Kingdom C)
<&BungArm> funny when the shoe is on the other foot
<eQx> hostile attacks are hostile attacks
<eQx> (Kingdom C) is razekilling us
<eQx> whats the point of us fighting
<&BungArm> I'm still not seeing why we should care.
<&BungArm> You dug your own hole.
<&BungArm> and a CF in war makes this a fake war.
<eQx> i don't mean you should care
<&BungArm> Not going to happen.

Regardless of all this crap (which i'm also not happy about), it doesn't change the outcome, just makes it less challenging and interesting.

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He just got Litt up.

saints u got what u deserved. end of story.

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Originally Posted by ChickyMeal

Well Saints, good luck in handling your diplo with all these kingdoms. Definitely a sad case in failing to be crowned this age because of this issue. But oh well, there'll be many more ages to come in future.

To all monarchs out there, settle dispute as a man! Stop being a pussy but at the same time acting like a hero. Your actions are lame, period!

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this is hero

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Originally Posted by kaznaradak

saints u got what u deserved. end of story.

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this is noob

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Originally Posted by rose89

this is hero



this is noob

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this guy is obviously a cry baby from saints :)

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Originally Posted by frankenstein

this guy is obviously a cry baby from saints :)

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yea, a cry baby that able to defeat you like drinking baby milk.

only know to help those weakling, or you yourself in the weakling position. lol

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Originally Posted by rose89

yea, a cry baby that able to defeat you like drinking baby milk.

only know to help those weakling, or you yourself in the weakling position. lol

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a cry baby that able to defeat you like drinking baby milk?!

what?

Do you mean................wait

WHAT DAFUQ?

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Originally Posted by rose89

yea, a cry baby that able to defeat you like drinking baby milk.

only know to help those weakling, or you yourself in the weakling position. lol

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lmfao.. i quoted this guy earlier doing an english tutorial on the TS.. i think the tutor needs the tutorial more than the student..

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Originally Posted by qicquser1

I have not instructed anyone in my kingdom to do whatever they say we did to the kd. Be it hits or robbing. Throughout the whole age, I have more important things to do than to check every plunder we made to make sure it is not into anyone's EoWCF. Worse if I have to monitor who they steal from.

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as the monarch, you should be responsible for the action of your people.. this is not a sign of good leadership..

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Originally Posted by frankenstein

as the monarch, you should be responsible for the action of your people.. this is not a sign of good leadership..

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At which point of time, did I say I'm not responsible. I'm saying I don't go around asking people who you plunder? was it EoWCF/War? was it active hostile? To those who stole gc, who they steal from? what stance?

if 1 of my players does a hit into someone elses hostile / war (eowcf) they either get a stern bashing or booted from the kingdom ;)

been doing this for the past 13yrs and will still do it until they day i retire from uto

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Originally Posted by qicquser1

Yes. but the utopian general public policy says i get to razekill anyone in the time of my choosing. :)

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lol, you're twisting words. You did it multiple times over multiple wars, you were told not to do it again and you did.
A single instance isn't really something that deserves a disproportionate response, just tell them to stay the hell out.
Multiple occasions over multiple wars and having been told stay the **** out or there will be consequences.
If you still do it some sort of escalated response is obviously required since you apparently don't understand anything other than force.

If you can't control your minions then perhaps you should have ingame cf'ed the kd in question because then your minions can neither steal nor plunder the kingdom in question.