CR VS Sleepy

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Originally Posted by Meep

I really don't see how sleepy can possibly come out of this ahead.

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presumably sleepy had like 2-3x more gc and like 2x the bpa. So I mean thats helpful. They also have 4 15k banks with a lot more time to pump vs 1 18, 2 15, 2 10. So bank fight should be interesting. CR was exploring their 2 10k and 1 14k up like 24h ago so not a ton of time to pump them.

Sleepy has a ton of provinces between 2-3k they should be able to chain down all CR's 2-3k attackers in like 3 waves? 24h with avian? Then if they are able to pull down the bigs 1 at a time they could have a chance in core fight, but its a matter of getting to the bigs fast enough to prevent them influencing the cow war too much. All in all I think CR has it but sleepy does have some advantages (primarily extra time to pump) vs CRs extra 10% land.

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Originally Posted by goodz

presumably sleepy had like 2-3x more gc and like 2x the bpa. So I mean thats helpful. They also have 4 15k banks with a lot more time to pump vs 1 18, 2 15, 2 10. So bank fight should be interesting. CR was exploring their 2 10k and 1 14k up like 24h ago so not a ton of time to pump them.

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Gold and bpa meh. Did they homes pump? What about WPAs, sleepy have them there too? I dont know how you guys can figure this stuff out without the data (someone please give me access to all your intel!)

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Originally Posted by Band of Horses

Gold and bpa meh. Did they homes pump? What about WPAs, sleepy have them there too? I dont know how you guys can figure this stuff out without the data (someone please give me access to all your intel!)

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Lets see. Sleepy has been sitting at 100k acres doing nothing (randoming poorly i suppose) for like 4 weeks :p. CR just came out of war, did a quick explore prior to fort. If sleepy doesn't have much better bpa/gc and sufficent wpa ill be amazed. Sleepy should be able to pump to higher total troops I would think but will have less peasents and worst econ.

Sleepy is merchants also, like really even if they had equal time sleepy should have near twice as much gold :p

Munk what was total books, total gc count pre train/post train?

I believe I saw sleepys gc total at some point and no reason their core wouldn't have homes pumped to 20-30% homes. But I cannot recall the gcpa anymore :)

Gross i looked at "tropicano" and he has 10% homes, and 4 peasents per acre (maybe more) So i dunno its his first time i guess. (200k gc left). He looked the least pumped, but if other sleepy provinces are on 4ppa they are in serious trouble me thinks.

Sleppy has abit more gc not alot, it was way more expensiv for sleepy to creat the bigs outside war with small median, wpa should be somewhat in favor of sleepy, so is army size and sci , cr with more land and econ (pezzies), and alot of bigger provinces, more pure t/m power also.

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Originally Posted by goodz

presumably sleepy had like 2-3x more gc and like 2x the bpa. So I mean thats helpful. They also have 4 15k banks with a lot more time to pump vs 1 18, 2 15, 2 10. So bank fight should be interesting. CR was exploring their 2 10k and 1 14k up like 24h ago so not a ton of time to pump them.

Sleepy has a ton of provinces between 2-3k they should be able to chain down all CR's 2-3k attackers in like 3 waves? 24h with avian? Then if they are able to pull down the bigs 1 at a time they could have a chance in core fight, but its a matter of getting to the bigs fast enough to prevent them influencing the cow war too much. All in all I think CR has it but sleepy does have some advantages (primarily extra time to pump) vs CRs extra 10% land.

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I get the feeling that avians starting on 3k acres worth of offense aren't going to be having much fun bringing down 5k elves and halflings after the 36 hours or so it'll take to fight the <=3500 provs in CR.

It looks like the currently *most* pumped/trained avian in sleepy will start war with like 350k offense after TGs come in.

How is sleepy going to convert the easy bottom core fight into a win with the resources left to hit down CRs mid-tier?

This is far from one sided.

Sleepy has (had):

- Tons more gold (x2 minimum). Allowing for 40% homes pump on core. Leaving 1-2k gcpa after nearly 0 PPA train. As opposed to CR where several core provs couldn't even afford training up past 9-10 EPA.
- Tons more sci (x2 sci advantage, not counting stacked up sci on sleepy). Banks @ 700-800 BPA as compared to 200-400 on CR. Mystics and Rogues at 90-160 % in thievery/magic for Sleepy. 80-100% for CR. All this before potential sci stack investment by Sleepy.
- A vastly superior core
- Prepped banks

CR has (had)

- Huge gold shortage
- Less, newly explored and under-trained banks and halflings
- Under-prepped Orcs that randomed 48h prior to notice drop. And due to bad hitting got retaled quite a bit too.

CR is bigger (mostly empty acres from recent explore), has a nice spread and several hard to hit provs between core and banks, and imo a better warring setup in more rogues and a WH/Cleric split as opposed to merch core on sleepy. But the disadvantages in pump and prep may prove difficult to overcome on CRs behalf.

It's an open fight, and will be interesting to follow for sure :)

Will be a very good war. Good luck to Sleepy / Hesus and mike! This age has been very fun to play in so far but please can CR has festive break!?

Ye good war guys ;)
We respect your warring skill just as kingdom skill, we just hope we play on the advangses we got and down play the once you got.

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Originally Posted by American Badass

Will be a very good war. Good luck to Sleepy / Hesus and mike! This age has been very fun to play in so far but please can CR has festive break!?

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'A what? No...no. There's no rest unless....'

The note ended there in a smear of blood and party tinsel.

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Originally Posted by goodz

thank you for posting. I was thinking about posting another yawn. I ponder if soon the forums will be down to several users.

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Forgive us if we aren't in a huge rush as this will be our B2B2B war.... Which, in reality, might very well add a 4th B to that if we win

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Originally Posted by DM_Benjamin

Forgive us if we aren't in a huge rush as this will be our B2B2B war.... Which, in reality, might very well add a 4th B to that if we win

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Also if we loose ;)

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Originally Posted by Tadpole

This is far from one sided.

Sleepy has (had):

- Tons more gold (x2 minimum). Allowing for 40% homes pump on core. Leaving 1-2k gcpa after nearly 0 PPA train. As opposed to CR where several core provs couldn't even afford training up past 9-10 EPA.
- Tons more sci (x2 sci advantage, not counting stacked up sci on sleepy). Banks @ 700-800 BPA as compared to 200-400 on CR. Mystics and Rogues at 90-160 % in thievery/magic for Sleepy. 80-100% for CR. All this before potential sci stack investment by Sleepy.
- A vastly superior core
- Prepped banks

CR has (had)

- Huge gold shortage
- Less, newly explored and under-trained banks and halflings
- Under-prepped Orcs that randomed 48h prior to notice drop. And due to bad hitting got retaled quite a bit too.

CR is bigger (mostly empty acres from recent explore), has a nice spread and several hard to hit provs between core and banks, and imo a better warring setup in more rogues and a WH/Cleric split as opposed to merch core on sleepy. But the disadvantages in pump and prep may prove difficult to overcome on CRs behalf.

It's an open fight, and will be interesting to follow for sure :)

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They don't appear to have drafted that deep or done a 40% homes swap Or am I missing something? :) The intel I saw had their core looking surprisingly unready. I thought they would be able to pump a lot more military per acre on their core but they haven't. Sleepy is in trouble.

Benjamin yawns aren't complaint. They are simply yawns. Next year when I am yawning while I wait in line for the midnight screening of starwars it won't be because I'm upset with starwars it will be because waiting sucks!

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Originally Posted by goodz

They don't appear to have drafted that deep or done a 40% homes swap Or am I missing something? :) The intel I saw had their core looking surprisingly unready. I thought they would be able to pump a lot more military per acre on their core but they haven't. Sleepy is in trouble.

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appearing to have happened and actually happened are two different things goodz!

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Originally Posted by goodz

They don't appear to have drafted that deep or done a 40% homes swap Or am I missing something? :) The intel I saw had their core looking surprisingly unready. I thought they would be able to pump a lot more military per acre on their core but they haven't. Sleepy is in trouble.

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The few provs I checked looked like they had 4 WPA, 5 TPA, 6 DSPA, and 14 EPA.

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Originally Posted by StratOcastle

'A what? No...no. There's no rest unless....'

The note ended there in a smear of blood and party tinsel.

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I just die from lack of peons to get my 3 day break yo!

Well, if you guys want a better war we could donate acres to S1337Y from out here in the field. It can be like a red bucket we all chip in. Come on guys.

Acres 4 Anger.

~ because top wars are forum nourishment ~

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Originally Posted by Tadpole

Also if we loose ;)

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or if we tie?

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Originally Posted by Zauper

The few provs I checked looked like they had 4 WPA, 5 TPA, 6 DSPA, and 14 EPA.

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ye that sound like some of them best of em.

<3 Jwu

[22:48] <&Jwuzi> munk and parth fighting about whos prov is uglier
[22:48] <&Jwuzi> fact is
[22:48] <&Jwuzi> they're both ugly compared to me
[22:48] <&Jwuzi> #winning
[22:49] <&Jwuzi> who wants skype
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[22:50] <@Americanbadass> [22:49] * Now talking in #winning
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gogo RO... down with cr

So surely eventually Pyro or Emeriti has to step in and stop this 'give CR the crown by losing fights that should have been easy' campaign of wars right?

Or will Flogger somehow sneak in, farm CR after they farm Sleepy, and then win that triple crown.

things are happening. we caught thieves from Emeriti and BB running around our provs, so maybe we'll get a triple hostile!

jup that is why intel is taken ... sorry but that was bad troll Canna, you need to learn from elit.

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Originally Posted by Mike^

jup that is why intel is taken ... sorry but that was bad troll Canna, you need to learn from elit.

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Originally Posted by CannaWhoopazz

things are happening. we caught thieves from Emeriti and BB running around our provs, so maybe we'll get a triple hostile!

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Rest assured that BB and Emiriti are merely getting intel to watch the fight etc

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Originally Posted by DM_Benjamin

Rest assured that BB and Emiriti are merely getting intel to watch the fight etc

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And waste your runes and mana on Shadowlight. Come on guys, kingdom page is gold.

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Originally Posted by Tadpole

This is far from one sided.

Sleepy has (had):

- Tons more gold (x2 minimum). Allowing for 40% homes pump on core. Leaving 1-2k gcpa after nearly 0 PPA train. As opposed to CR where several core provs couldn't even afford training up past 9-10 EPA.
- Tons more sci (x2 sci advantage, not counting stacked up sci on sleepy). Banks @ 700-800 BPA as compared to 200-400 on CR. Mystics and Rogues at 90-160 % in thievery/magic for Sleepy. 80-100% for CR. All this before potential sci stack investment by Sleepy.
- A vastly superior core
- Prepped banks

CR has (had)

- Huge gold shortage
- Less, newly explored and under-trained banks and halflings
- Under-prepped Orcs that randomed 48h prior to notice drop. And due to bad hitting got retaled quite a bit too.

CR is bigger (mostly empty acres from recent explore), has a nice spread and several hard to hit provs between core and banks, and imo a better warring setup in more rogues and a WH/Cleric split as opposed to merch core on sleepy. But the disadvantages in pump and prep may prove difficult to overcome on CRs behalf.

It's an open fight, and will be interesting to follow for sure :)

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also Chrystal got learned. dont forget that, baby frog.

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Originally Posted by Chrystal Palace

also Chrystal got learned. dont forget that, baby frog.

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What is happening? Need a CP update plz. I see Pappy got hit, hows he feeling? Any tension?

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Originally Posted by Band of Horses

What is happening? Need a CP update plz. I see Pappy got hit, hows he feeling? Any tension?

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- 3x hits made on Buy a bottle of Pappys with a total of 2123a
- Buy a bottle of Pappys bushes one of the hits for 473a.

- CR sent a Sapphire which Sleepy killed.
- Sleepy still hasn't sent their dragon.

Other then that, Sleepy has done a full wave into CRs fort. CR has responded with ambushing Sleepy's hits. Sleepys hits ranging mainly from 60 - 150a.

The situation so far, pretty much.

Zauper has gone nutso. he seems to think its cool for two dudes to skype in their underwears.
Devo is now preggers with bishops baby. eragons baby and vines baby. yet she has googoo eyes for this ginga.
Baby frog has many duties this war. one of which is being Chrystals story teller. he shall make it known how stronk like bull i am not.
jwuzi has gone MIA. he was last seen heading towards Parths bedroom.
OMG GUYS I TALKED TO GODLY ON THE PHONE!!!! it was so amazing. like i couldnt even speak properly. that right there was the bestest xmas present ever. and he was polite!


edit: these guys are no where near as fun to fight as pewpew. gonna be a boring war. :(

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Originally Posted by Sashco

- CR sent a Sapphire which Sleepy killed.

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We didn't notice any significant op-related damage during the short period of time when the dragon was on us. It wasn't there for more than a few minutes, which should have been enough time to use up the mana/stealth. Perhaps the damage done just wasn't reported by whomever was opped, but no banks reported damage.

I have question mark on my head as to Sleepy's move.

Does sleepy want to lure CR to engage?
Wave into fort?
Sloppy hits?
No dragon sent?

better to get the pain overwith? I mean, CR already had every advantage that matters, so you may as well give them the button too. It means they can drop down to the war tier faster and have fun.

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Originally Posted by Sheister

better to get the pain overwith? I mean, CR already had every advantage that matters, so you may as well give them the button too. It means they can drop down to the war tier faster and have fun.

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But the GOLD!?!?!

what is that I'm sensing? Could that be collusion?

Apparently people have not looked at any intel when they say CR had all advantages.

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Originally Posted by Chrystal Palace

Apparently people have not looked at any intel when they say CR had all advantages.

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Its as if people overlook the four 3 million networth humans.

4 v.strong humans vs the great wall of halfs&elves&weaker cows

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Originally Posted by flogger

Its as if people overlook the four 3 million networth humans.

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It's the acre creeping halfers. It's easy to reach thief bloat and commendable defense to make the humans hard pressed to choose targets. The humans have no natural defense system vs an elf and halfer tag team. And then there's those CR cows.

That sounded negative, but I fight from disadvantage all the time. The secret is to be totally clear on the challenges.

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Originally Posted by StratOcastle

It's the acre creeping halfers. It's easy to reach thief bloat and commendable defense to make the humans hard pressed to choose targets. The humans have no natural defense system vs an elf and halfer tag team. And then there's those CR cows.

That sounded negative, but I fight from disadvantage all the time. The secret is to be totally clear on the challenges.

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4 human/tact cows. So they have some inbuilt defenses assuming they keep CS up 24/7