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20-10-2015, 22:55
StratOcastle

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Originally Posted by Swagger

I did no diplo other than "sure that sounds good." (I left around the time Heaven showed up and saved the day from your bad PR guy, who I'm assuming is the perma-banned guy)

I'm also in a retirement ghetto with Heaven currently and we get along great. Why do people take things so personally in this game? haha

Retirement ghetto? You guys need to publicly state your retirements. Thank you.
20-10-2015, 22:58
2Utopian

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Originally Posted by StratOcastle

You guys need to publicly state your retirements. Thank you.

Think Brett Favre...
20-10-2015, 23:17
Swagger

That's the beauty of the ghetto life though, there is no diplomacy!
20-10-2015, 23:52
Child

No one can ever REALLY retire from utopia. It always draws you back in...
21-10-2015, 00:02
StratOcastle

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Originally Posted by Child

No one can ever REALLY retire from utopia. It always draws you back in...

After all these guys are empty nesters and divorced they'll be back.
I'm experiencing RL distractions that are hindering my drowning in the never never land of Utopia. I worked all my life to have no life and here it comes creeping back. Glasses, car, other car, help people move, take people to the doctor and then I'll be back.
21-10-2015, 00:59
p0ngkol

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Originally Posted by jo.t.reid

Well, according to our earlier agreement acre cap would be 43K with Spartans growing and Hipmunks dropping. Hipmunks would also give button.
Later agreement was 48.4K for hipmunks 47.5K acre cap for Spartans, with Spartans GIVING the button. I'd say we got a worse deal than the initial one we made!
Yes, we are in an advantangeous position but that's just because we pumped better and had Heaven made a plan for us both for prep and war (he always seems eager to help when he feels cheated!).

Lets not forget that from 43k acre cap, LD was stopped after losing 1k acres only. So it moved on to 46k, but no LD happened instead growing happened. and later on dropping war, and finally acre cap of what you mentioned and sparta giving button instead. Apparently they dun wanna lose their acre advantage so LD was stopped despite the deals made. :(
21-10-2015, 01:57
Meep

WTF do you people make such ridiculous deals for
21-10-2015, 02:44
Osaze

Their whining and complaining about us hitting them when they called us out first was what prompted it. They wouldn't war us unless we allowed it.

For the record I was completely against it.
21-10-2015, 03:04
2Utopian

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Originally Posted by Meep

WTF do you people make such ridiculous deals for

Is this even a question? Anyone who wants complex deals wants to twist terms and lie cheat and steal their way to advantages of any kind shape or size while maintaining enough complicated crap to cry foul and back out of the deal any time they like if they can't weasel enough edge to think they have a sure win.
21-10-2015, 03:38
Feint

Hipmunk got pounded by Spartan. Guess their war skill is as crappy as their leadership in DIPLO
21-10-2015, 03:39
khronosschoty

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Originally Posted by 2Utopian

Is this even a question? Anyone who wants complex deals wants to twist terms and lie cheat and steal their way to advantages of any kind shape or size while maintaining enough complicated crap to cry foul and back out of the deal any time they like if they can't weasel enough edge to think they have a sure win.

Aye, there is a lot of that, that goes on.
21-10-2015, 03:46
Lestat

Like I always say deals in Uto is like writing it down on a piece of paper, then trying to piss all over each other without getting it wet.
21-10-2015, 03:50
khronosschoty

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Originally Posted by Lestat

Like I always say deals in Uto is like writing it down on a piece of paper, then trying to piss all over each other without getting it wet.

I dislike this crude example. I think this example is only true for those I consider shady.
21-10-2015, 03:56
Lestat

Crude it may be, but.... actually that's all i've got.
21-10-2015, 04:14
p0ngkol

Quote:

Originally Posted by Meep

WTF do you people make such ridiculous deals for

Well as far both kds are concerned, both agree at those deals. It was really funny whn their monarch whine after being LD only 1k acres "wtf is this LD? We're losing a lot of troops!" Uhhm, send troops out? Lol.

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Originally Posted by Feint

Hipmunk got pounded by Spartan. Guess their war skill is as crappy as their leadership in DIPLO

War is not yet done :)
21-10-2015, 04:21
2Utopian

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Originally Posted by Feint

Hipmunk got pounded by Spartan. Guess their war skill is as crappy as their leadership in DIPLO

Win any wars this age feint? How many did you lose in row last age again? :D
21-10-2015, 05:42
Child

I admit our leadership was crappy, we should have just kept hitting Spartans until they stopped whining and offered a CF. The whole deal thing was a mistake. And the issue with the land drops was purely that Swagger was going to arrange them before RL hit him. I was kinda dumped in the deep end there. That and the fact that no one in our KD was super excited for the war was why I wanted to cancel it. And I was hoping that since we were decent and stopped waving you maybe you'd be decent and agree to cancel the war, but I suppose that's not how Utopia works. I'm not meant to be leading a KD, I don't have the experience for this! I believe that everyone is honest and decent and fair which is a bad assumption to make when the whole point of the game is to destroy your opponent through whatever means!
But don't you dare question our warring ability! We went into this war with no real win condition. They beat us through preparation and set-up, not actual warring skills. How very rude of you Feint!
21-10-2015, 05:48
Nightmare_

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Originally Posted by Child

I admit our leadership was crappy, we should have just kept hitting Spartans until they stopped whining and offered a CF. The whole deal thing was a mistake. And the issue with the land drops was purely that Swagger was going to arrange them before RL hit him. I was kinda dumped in the deep end there. That and the fact that no one in our KD was super excited for the war was why I wanted to cancel it. And I was hoping that since we were decent and stopped waving you maybe you'd be decent and agree to cancel the war, but I suppose that's not how Utopia works. I'm not meant to be leading a KD, I don't have the experience for this! I believe that everyone is honest and decent and fair which is a bad assumption to make when the whole point of the game is to destroy your opponent through whatever means!
But don't you dare question our warring ability! We went into this war with no real win condition. They beat us through preparation and set-up, not actual warring skills. How very rude of you Feint!

Jeez don't engage him. He will just keep trolling you
21-10-2015, 06:12
khronosschoty

Quote:

Originally Posted by Child

I admit our leadership was crappy, we should have just kept hitting Spartans until they stopped whining and offered a CF. The whole deal thing was a mistake. And the issue with the land drops was purely that Swagger was going to arrange them before RL hit him. I was kinda dumped in the deep end there. That and the fact that no one in our KD was super excited for the war was why I wanted to cancel it. And I was hoping that since we were decent and stopped waving you maybe you'd be decent and agree to cancel the war, but I suppose that's not how Utopia works. I'm not meant to be leading a KD, I don't have the experience for this! I believe that everyone is honest and decent and fair which is a bad assumption to make when the whole point of the game is to destroy your opponent through whatever means!
But don't you dare question our warring ability! We went into this war with no real win condition. They beat us through preparation and set-up, not actual warring skills. How very rude of you Feint!

I feel for you; I hope you stay strong tho!!
21-10-2015, 06:41
p0ngkol

Quote:

Originally Posted by Child

I admit our leadership was crappy, we should have just kept hitting Spartans until they stopped whining and offered a CF. The whole deal thing was a mistake. And the issue with the land drops was purely that Swagger was going to arrange them before RL hit him. I was kinda dumped in the deep end there. That and the fact that no one in our KD was super excited for the war was why I wanted to cancel it. And I was hoping that since we were decent and stopped waving you maybe you'd be decent and agree to cancel the war, but I suppose that's not how Utopia works. I'm not meant to be leading a KD, I don't have the experience for this! I believe that everyone is honest and decent and fair which is a bad assumption to make when the whole point of the game is to destroy your opponent through whatever means!
But don't you dare question our warring ability! We went into this war with no real win condition. They beat us through preparation and set-up, not actual warring skills. How very rude of you Feint!

Well said.
Though you should understand that deals are deals. This isnt about being decent. The point of having a 3rd party to witness was to make sure neither of the kds will back out. Sparta cant just accept you walking away when they prepard a lot of days for the war, right?
21-10-2015, 07:50
Child

By third party do you mean your ex-monarch who arranged everything? :P
Anyway, there's no bitterness from me towards your KD (however I cannot say the same for my KD-mates). There's clearly a reason you guys haven't lost a war in a while, and I don't think it's purely luck ;)
21-10-2015, 07:57
13nesta13

Btw, who's the real Spartans?

I've seen 2 kds tagged as Spartans all age. One has temporarily changed its tag only recently but the whole province name theme is spartan tagged
21-10-2015, 08:05
Feint

Quote:

Originally Posted by Child

I admit our leadership was crappy, we should have just kept hitting Spartans until they stopped whining and offered a CF. The whole deal thing was a mistake. And the issue with the land drops was purely that Swagger was going to arrange them before RL hit him. I was kinda dumped in the deep end there. That and the fact that no one in our KD was super excited for the war was why I wanted to cancel it. And I was hoping that since we were decent and stopped waving you maybe you'd be decent and agree to cancel the war, but I suppose that's not how Utopia works. I'm not meant to be leading a KD, I don't have the experience for this! I believe that everyone is honest and decent and fair which is a bad assumption to make when the whole point of the game is to destroy your opponent through whatever means!
But don't you dare question our warring ability! We went into this war with no real win condition. They beat us through preparation and set-up, not actual warring skills. How very rude of you Feint!

Because I am involved. Definitely not trolling. sEriously go brush up your diplo skill. Since you are getting self destruct, I will show u mercy by not pk-ing u.
21-10-2015, 08:07
Feint

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Originally Posted by 2Utopian

Win any wars this age feint? How many did you lose in row last age again? :D

Last age, Lost thrice in a row. This age, managed to win some, lose some. Just formed a new ghetto. I dont mind giving out war wins...but some are just scum and dont deserve it. Eg. Hip munk
21-10-2015, 08:20
jo.t.reid

Quote:

Originally Posted by Child

By third party do you mean your ex-monarch who arranged everything? :P
Anyway, there's no bitterness from me towards your KD (however I cannot say the same for my KD-mates). There's clearly a reason you guys haven't lost a war in a while, and I don't think it's purely luck ;)

I'm guessing your strat of taking down our tms came from those in your kingdom 'bitter' towards us then? Zzz..

Find yourself a decent kingdom, Child. You seem like a decent guy, despite your earlier post which bended the truth a bit ;)
21-10-2015, 09:21
dreaku

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Originally Posted by jo.t.reid

I'm guessing your strat of taking down our tms came from those in your kingdom 'bitter' towards us then? Zzz..

hurts that much??!!
21-10-2015, 11:28
StratOcastle

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Originally Posted by khronosschoty

I dislike this crude example. I think this example is only true for those I consider shady.

it comes down to schools of thought. For instance, I want a challenge more than I want a win. Others have varying degrees of how important winning is.

In Utopia you have to be aware of kingdom character and reputation. I don't fear any of the kingdoms because I understand the conditions and levels they'll go to for a win. The best war kingdoms fight pretty much the same.

Diplo Pointers:

Obscure rule? Sure, I'm hitting you now
Screwy wave time? I don't believe in full waves
Outside hits? I'm kicking his ass first. Sorry about your button
Land Drop? Make me

My advice to anyone who doesn't know diplo is to only engage in simple diplo and always exercise all of your advantages.
Simple diplo means anything that works for you. I repeat; for you. So when someone wants war you must interpret that as 'someone wants win'. Barbarian kingdoms weren't wrong, they simply operated with clarity. In my book I'd never negotiate a resource drop to achieve war. I realize for "war" kingdoms this is common. I don't partake in war kingdom culture. If a LD is an advantage then it's worth doing, but not negotiating.

Feint will do just fine in his ghetto. If I were to offer a compliment it'd be his willingness to attack war kingdoms while they pump. This is correct procedure.
21-10-2015, 12:27
Osaze

You fought 3 wars this age and no one touched your t/ms.... did you think this was going to keep happening?
21-10-2015, 12:31
Child

...is chaining your T/Ms not a legitimate way to counteract NM chains?
It seems to have worked.
If I was being bitter I would have chained them far deeper.
I really don't understand all the hate you guys have for us. Hopefully we get to rumble again next age and settle this then!

StratOcastle gives good diplo advice. That's pretty much what I've learnt over the past week.
21-10-2015, 16:39
Feint

One thing I got to admit regarding Spartans though I don't like them. They do have very good diplo
Skills. Somehow this skill actually enhance their war win chance also. Clearly proven last age as well as this age so far. Would be waiting for them to face those whore kingdom n fight. Just like what angel and cp is doing
21-10-2015, 16:42
Feint

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Originally Posted by p0ngkol

Well as far both kds are concerned, both agree at those deals. It was really funny whn their monarch whine after being LD only 1k acres "wtf is this LD? We're losing a lot of troops!" Uhhm, send troops out? Lol.

War is not yet done :)

6.3 mill vs 7.9 mill

I think it has become a one sided affair
Lol
21-10-2015, 16:59
StratOcastle

As far as I know, Spartans are at an activity ceiling so I can understand them standing at the gate of whoring.
The U shows elements of whoring leadership but the decimation of the core is probably due to the same ceiling. ZZ showed this the last few ages they were in the neighborhood.

I've never seen angel in war or reviewed any of his kingdoms conflicts. I get a sense they are rough but active, which I rather like.
21-10-2015, 17:45
Hustisya

Nothings wrong hitting tms but Feint is right this is becoming a one sided affair. I think Hipmunks wd asap without much damages and regroup as age is still early.

Comin up next is Ascension vs Warlords.
21-10-2015, 17:53
2Utopian

Kd pages say Ascension is warring warriors oath not warlords. Is Zantetsuken still running that show?
22-10-2015, 07:58
Uncle Ed

Yeah he is Lionheart this age. Wish us luck, Ascension is awesome and smacking us good so far.
22-10-2015, 11:35
Hustisya

I stand corrected. Thanks 2Utopian. And good luck Warriors Oath and Ascension. May the best kingdom win. More actions and less drama. Lol!

I thought Hipmunks withdraws early. Any updates?
22-10-2015, 12:35
Osaze

Why?
22-10-2015, 12:58
wingding

Quote:

Originally Posted by Feint

Last age, Lost thrice in a row. This age, managed to win some, lose some. Just formed a new ghetto. I dont mind giving out war wins...but some are just scum and dont deserve it. Eg. Hip munk

feint, hipmunks is the ghetto Force...they put lipstick on a pig so to speak, w/o edge or swagger involved, they are just Force
22-10-2015, 14:38
Swagger

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Originally Posted by wingding

feint, hipmunks is the ghetto Force...they put lipstick on a pig so to speak, w/o edge or swagger involved, they are just Force

Figured you would be bitter Gurch. You didn't really give us much choice but to kick you out with how you acted. I think there's like 3 players left from Force.

Edit: Also edge is nub :D
22-10-2015, 14:44
wingding

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Originally Posted by Swagger

Figured you would be bitter Gurch. You didn't really give us much choice but to kick you out with how you acted. I think there's like 3 players left from Force.

Think it was pretty clear I didn't want to play w you when I intra razed 2x and convince another to do a separate one, was fun to troll wishful...your kd lacks skill, in line w what Force was. This is evident in the current competitive landscape of the war/honor kds, there are really none of the good kds left and still can't contend

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