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But the top think they are entitled to not protect their gold just cause they are in the top and god forbid those that dare to steal their gold they will punish them with furious wrath (Though only if its ghetto otherwise they wouldnt dare to do same thing) But i guess you think thats right, just being the top should be enough protection right...Quote:
Originally Posted by swatkat
Personally I think all small kds should steal from the top with current game mechanics. Force the top to change the way they play, they can't raze everyone.
Look, size is a natural deterrent especially paired with KD message theme of Robbers getting killed. If a tiny ghetto KD still decides to poke a sleeping giant, it's their own fault.
Being at the top is enough protection just like how nobody wants to mess with Murica coz we got the biggest guns. In a game like Utopia, size matters and dumb ghettos who ignore common sense gets punished for its stupidity.
It's not like Spartans land grabbed them and they retaliated with stealing gold. It happens to all of us everytime we land grab smaller KDs. They retal with ops and it's fair play.
Its not like here is organized 2 sides TOP and Bottom.Quote:
Originally Posted by Swagger
Every one play for him self and if "YOU" get razed its don't matter if some other don't. Your age is still messed.
p.s
BEST way to avoid bad drama is to look for targets in similar size and do fast diplo before real problems escalate. Special if you are smaller one.
Wow illy, mystyka..good to see nature of war back . never played in an all ro kd , mUst be fun. Anyways keep up the good work, dont lose morale its just a game!
If nobody takes any action, that is the neutral state, no?Quote:
Originally Posted by Korp
They don't rob, we don't raze.
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There is never a situation where I'm going to randomly raze a ghetto.
The one deciding to take action here is the ghetto deciding to take aggressive action against a KD that can kill them.
Let's talk about this situation a bit more as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by mystyka
1) You were not tagged 'going to war' when this occurred
2) The stealing was done from a province that look relatively inactive --- and one which was very inactive during war.
3) You responded by covering all of our humans with droughts and gluttony (fair) - kind of a waste of mana if you were going to war though?
4) You also did not respond to any mails prior to the stealing - which was about setting up a CF moving forward.
Game Date July 5 of YR2
Real Date Mon, 12 Jun at 22:43 GMT+00:00
Sender King Silva
Recipient The Conniving Noble Lady Lisbeth of Pufoshenia (7:7)
Subject CF?
Given we've now warred each other and there are some ill feelings around how you PK'd one of our provinces and made every effort to kill another one - I think it would be best to arrange a CF to stay out of each other's way.
I suggest we set up an EOA CF.
PS is there a reason why you haven't cancelled your dragon?
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The above mail went unanswered.
As far as Bart's actions, I know it's something that we don't necessarily approve of. We believe razing into war is pretty extreme and should be reserved for huge offenses towards a KD. It's disrespectful to both kd's in war and to everyone who cares about the warchart. At this point, I think it's safe to say 7:7 got the message and continuing will probably only inspire more hatred and lust for vengeance.
However, I then consider 7:7's play style which is to PK enemies in war through kidnaps, massacres, ect. less than one minute before ticks. Now that is been uncovered that they like to routinely steal from the top, I'm not surprised they are engaged in conflict that they likely deserve. I suggest that you work to resolve the issue through diplomacy as soon as possible to mitigate the damage done to your provinces.
This is a core leadership issue and someone who does not actively understand the way the game is played. I suggest your KD vote in a new King that can remain diplomatic and one that is responsive to messages from other KD leaders.
I guess UnknownSilva likes to make "No black ops" as war terms as well. lol.
If you werent so bad at protecting your gold they wouldnt steal it either. You blame them for your own failure. No the one deciding the outcome is the kingdom that stocks gold and doesnt protect it properly. IF YOU DONT WANT YOUR GOLD STOLEN PROTECT IT!Quote:
Originally Posted by Meep
Could we maybe stop acting like robbing gold is some super serious crime that must be quickly cut out like a cancer? It's literally the cornerstone of one of the 3 basic functions of the game lol
Also they are protecting their gold korp. That's what all this song and dance is about. Some sort of "proof" that one should not steal their gold. There are more deterrents than just training more thieves.
I do, by killing people that touch it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Korp
That doesnt protect your gold that just satisfied your hurt ego cause you were unable to protect it in the first place.Quote:
Originally Posted by Meep
The only way you can keep your gold safe mechanically is to run your entire KD on 20% WTs and constant CS. That is a huge investment. It's cheaper to send razes into KDs that steal to make sure it simply doesn't happen.
Its not cost effective. When you send army for razes you loss gold too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bart of Sparta
Can you tell me how many provs killed past ages Emeriti for being robed?
What about BB and CR?
Can you see my point?
Korp,
No one is arguing that the smaller KD is not free to steal gold. Merely that they have to accept the consequences.
Similarly, Bart should accept the consequences of razing into their war. If Bart is later warring and this KD takes their revenge then Bart should accept that. It's all fine.
The way people act in here it seems they think they are entiteld to do whatever they want without having their gol stash st olen. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Sheister
If you don't compete for crow but grow you have so much spare time for what you want to do :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Korp
I don't read that. They are just saying, don't steal gold and expect nothing to happen. Similarly, they should not raze into wars and expect nothing to happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Korp
But you are one of them so obviously you dont see it the other way. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Sheister
"too naive, too silly"
I really don't think tagging "will razekill robbers" should give you a free pas from randoms and thieves everyone else has to deal with this a tag does not make you special. Also you are likely messing up your war prep more by comitting yourself to razing a 3rd party kingdom, that kingdom need only wait for you to war to get back at you.
It doesn't protect you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Madchess
It just tells the robbers what's going to happen if they steal from you.
If you don't want to get razed, maybe don't steal from the bored troll who has nothing better to do than raze you, and who tells you exactly what he's going to do to you
stealing gcs from random non relations ppl. it's not that bad but... you can steal back, raze, plunder ppl oow. If you do this when they're in war is like ... c0wards ?!? Not to mention that we can't raze for land in war to PK (game rule) but others can do on us ...
At the bottom or the top u create most of ur outcomes. In a top 10-15 warring kd i either cf the top or live with having to raze provs to teach them to stay out. Being at the top of the food chain its the same thing either way. U rob any kd u deserve to get retalled. Whether the kd deserves it or the individual is up to how diplo played out. But as the top kd im not giving u a cf after u just robbed me. Nah not happening ur @ss is getting farmed. Think about consequences b4 u take action in anything in life. If u slap some guys wifes a$$ he'll sock ur face off, if u dont show up 2 work u can get fired, if u shoot the basketball there is a chance it will go in but if u dont shoot it there is 0 % chance it goes in. If u dont steal u dont get razed if u do theres a chance u get razed. If u diplo'd gold for land thats different but out right robbing any kd especially a kd 2-4x ur size while they prepping for war or more growth and being mad they interferred in ur war is selfish and naive.
Utopian Code (which you probably are not aware about) was ages ago stronger than rules ... But now with such players that lived a life full of frustration for being ghettos when this game was a great one and now feels like God (acting like mobs) will trigger a faster end for the game for most of really good players.Quote:
Originally Posted by Meep
Shame!
but if you are preparing for war then you have something better to do right? is it not the very same thing Bart is now doing when he initiate a conflict right before his war? Most people would finding razes into wars more of a reason to get back at you than someone robbing gold.
I really doubth the U will want to wait 2-3 weeks while Bart raze this kingdom to the ground, and other robbers will know he can most likely not raze several kingdoms at the same time, this is why razing into wars is something you do when all other options has been exhausted and not as a form of greeting.
If you are a "top" kingdom then you can't be robbed. You could live this illusion, but you're just lam3 ... Don't talk about things you don't understand. Having 10 bil gcs and very low tpa don't make you a good player. Just a big n00b living in a dream. So, nite! Talk to you in the morning (if any).Quote:
Originally Posted by King_Viking
Agreed! Do what u want but accept the consequences for ur actions b4 u to them so ur not in the forums crying about a kd or a topic that no1s going to help u on anywaysQuote:
Originally Posted by Sheister
nowhere in the Utopian Code does it state you can't hit into wars nor does it state you can't Raze kill provinces. It also doesn't state you cant steal from war prep.Quote:
Originally Posted by mystyka
The thing you don't get is you are basically trying to steal meat from a tiger as a tiny child. The tiger cab pay you back as he pleases per the rules of the game which none are being broken. War have not been and never were protected this thought process that you have some sort of protection can only come from a game in which that happens... that is not here.
I think that this was only a reason to help them ... Don't really care anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by Madchess
You're wrong ... Utopian Code states clear that acting like this (raze in a war) it's not the way to solve a problem ... You can wait until robbers finish the war and then plunder, abduct, raze if you please. Doing this while they're in war is lame because shows you're afraid for being retaled.Quote:
Originally Posted by Squee311
I am neither the razer or the razeeQuote:
Originally Posted by Korp
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Originally Posted by mystyka
You know, two or three ages ago, I had this out with another KD. I was the smaller then. I decided to reset as an avian warrior so that I had the extra general and ran max Rax and just razes into each of their wars 5X every 7 hrs. You can teach bart a lesson. You just need to decide you want to.
The top..duh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sheister
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Originally Posted by mystyka
please provide the exact wording in where this is stated. I will be waiting.
Declaring your intentions doesn't absolve you of any wrong doing or make it so you weren't overreacting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Meep
The aggressor does not get to tell the person they robbed what response is and isn't acceptable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Palem
Im not sure what Utopian code you refer. If they want to hit you here is no rule they cant. Same if you want to rob/hit them. Its part from game. If you think what they have done is bad return same to them when you can. Its very simple. If you think you cant deal with them look for CF BEFORE its escalate so much. Fair ot not fair is not important. Your job is to minimize losses for your KD.Quote:
Originally Posted by mystyka
Stay pragmatic and less emotional. Its give better results.
And whatever you do, don't make accusesQuote:
Originally Posted by Elit
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.