Is that who it is? He confuses Matija with Spartans, which would be a compliment for Matija. Sparta #2 or Jesters or whatever that kingdom is, 1:19. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Xist
Good stuff! We have a bet on how low we can make it go!
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Is that who it is? He confuses Matija with Spartans, which would be a compliment for Matija. Sparta #2 or Jesters or whatever that kingdom is, 1:19. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Xist
Good stuff! We have a bet on how low we can make it go!
Indeed, thank you for the kind compliment.
I'm just questioning your credentials. You always know more than everyone else and are never wrong, I'm just trying to learn what it takes to be that good. That crown of yours framed and still hanging?Quote:
Originally Posted by Korp
I personally don't like this kind play for pk/hit prov in smaller kingdom for secure crown BUT its legit tactic used from many kingdoms. Sparta/Bart is not first one to use it.Quote:
Originally Posted by titefuzz
From other side just because its legit don't mean you cant be mad and keep grudge. Pay back Sparta when you can. Its how good kingdoms play.
Well thank you for believing that! You can join my fanclub if you want, you get a nice sticker! But its nice that you went into defensive mode so badly. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Xist
Its the hitting into war that is the issue im sure you find that kind of play legit either. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Elit
It's legit, it's not cheating. Coming after us... Good luck!
You can see many kingdoms doing it EVERY AGE in waring chart and they dont have moral problem with this. I can name few "top waring kingdoms" I remember doing this. My point is yes its lame but Sparta is not first kingdom doing it. Actualy they hit OOW every age.Quote:
Originally Posted by Korp
I will be surprised if they make something honorable.
Defensive? nothing to defend lol, I was just under the impression we were making this about you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Korp
Elit.....when you played with me in Nexus/Seasons... did we ever do anything such as hitting into a war...aside from the huge alliance war that one age? We won crowns because we had skilled players like you and were a respected kd. Amaz and Raa ( ok well maybe Raa) wouldn't condone such garbage tactics to win.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elit
You talk bravado and honorable play. Well, in that case if you want to win the big boy crown you first need to come here and play with the big boys.
You are the only one that is, trying to turn the discussion into something about me when it was you and how you are under the impression that you are actually good and not just recieving some pity acres.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xist
Elit a rare breed. What hes saying is that people shouldnt be surprised that people like Spartans are pulling **** moves.Quote:
Originally Posted by titefuzz
Yes well I remember punishment for that type of play back in the day. All the top kds just sit on their fat asses letting Bart get away with this horse crap.Quote:
Originally Posted by Korp
Our holy emperor does what our holy emperor will do. No surprises.
I blame some of it on the mechanics this age, but essentially yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by titefuzz
What you didnt see was all the ****play that you went unpunished. People got punished only if the ones that got ****played had the juice to extract venegenance.Quote:
Originally Posted by titefuzz
I was just under the impression that you were more involved in each situation than the parties themselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by Korp
But I didn't ****play anyone and my kd did not deserve this. Im not some habitual top kd looking to deal break and screw people over like all in the top 10 are every age. We secured CFs and played our style. In the end one missing CF screwed my kd to an unhonorable act. *clap clap* to Sparta.Quote:
Originally Posted by Korp
Hm the inconsistent in-game moderating is baffling. One age you delete kds for alleged fake wars, without proof both sides committed to it, then another age it's fine. I don't care necessarily that bart is razing this elf dude, isn't nice but whatever. But I do care about the alleged fake war with mangos. I just want consistent mod intervention. Not just when you want to.
Was it fake when both sides were playing in their own best interest and the war was full of land attacks, massacres, sabotage operations and sorcery operations? In the very least processing that war would be a very strange deter from the previously set precedent in the Divinity-Barcoloco war.
Why would they convince us to wd? Yeah you've got 4 ub, but we have 10-12 provs that can only be touched by your ub. We aren't in a "losing position" like you seem to think. With the exception of the elf, none of you are really safe - especially your monarch.Quote:
Originally Posted by titefuzz
I do agree that getting hit into a war sucks. But it's been going on for as long as I can remember, especially when it's eoa/crowns on the line.
I really hope Sparta would leave their monarch alone. But they do what they want to suit their goals - which is their right. Just like we're doing what we want - 1more war/have fun/try things out/eoa fun.
Also, you don't see us complaining/whining about a broken gains formula - which is the only reason why you have those bigs in the first place. The developers/owners do what they want. The players learn to accept it/plan their gameplay around those mechanics.
Where did I say I thought we were winning? You clearly assume too much. Complaining about game mechanics vs someones **** play is not a fair comparison.Quote:
Originally Posted by 4gz
You don't have room to complain at all after giving us the button.
Also the constant "its been going on for ages pyscho babble" is zombie like. It doesn't make it right.
Yes it could still be considered a fake war. If the outcome is predetermined already then the way both kds take to get there doesn't matter. Maybe I'm just upset still age 65 (pharma vs stoners)Quote:
Originally Posted by MyNameIsMatija
To clarify, stoners being fed on by fs ran to war with me. Trads, masses, razes and ops did not stop mods deleting my kd. Thus fs crowns. However our hands were clean. Stoners, dunno. This mango vs Sparta war is eerily similar. Yet no actions. Among other more recent, and older if you wish to dig deeper, makes it baffling about the inconsistencies. Guess depends on how they feel in an age
We're not complaining. And asking another kd to "convince us to wd" isn't an assumption. They're your words and that's a fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by titefuzz
Also, I never said it was right - but the game unfortunately allows it. So if you're not in a position to change that or at least stop it from happening to your kd - then you need to learn to live with it/plan your gameplay around it.
Not surprised by this really don't trust top kingdoms and don't expect them to play nice, heck since I've looked for a chance to hit 8:14 myself like 1/3 of the age I know they are not playing nice either, they raze retal randoms and enter wars where all but the top few provinces gets utterly slaugthed just for the top few to grow without having to compete with same sized provinces.
What is surprising is that spartans seems to get away with it age after age, and that no gb happened after that mango war, but they must know how to handle the right people the right way I guess, top kingdom policy is all muddy to me.
Was kind of expecting Sleepy to go after myself one of these days as I held the Dryad 1st spot for land since the year 5 or so while only being overtaken a few times very shortly, so far it has not happened, but they probably don't even need to as I got bogged down against an angry guy that seems to insist on hitting me, even with a quarter of his elites dead and me being in full fort and razing back.
I see it this way, even if Sleepy did come for me they can not take away my achievement of breaking 7k acres for the first time outside genesis and on a 0 explore 0 cf approach from a shell kingdom, and a honorable number two while keeping my standards is far better than number one if that ment throwing my standards overboard.
well, i'll do my end of age suicide on spartans just for lols :)
The raze retals were done on bigger kingdoms and those that stole massive ammounts of GC. Standard play. We entered a few wars where we were disadvantaged actually. For example we couldnt hit 8:9 all all home and 8:9 had better WPA but didn't utilize NM/NS early enough. In fact every war we have had WPA disadvantage due to excessive EOWCF exploring.Quote:
Originally Posted by Madchess
1:20 also had big advantages over us, a kingdom we lost to.
8:19 full waved my kd. No baiting or unhonorable play with them.
4:1 demanded 5k free acres for CF then after we refused gave us the button anyway.
Maybe you should check facts Madchess.
Eh.. no lolQuote:
Originally Posted by titefuzz
You sent 1 abduct in and we retal'ed back. Then you gave us unfriendly relations and we decided to engage. Why would we accept a cf for free? Our core was always going to beat your core. And we have enough t/m support to target your ub. Granted I didn't expect bottomfeeding from a 3m prov would be that severe, but now I know. Good information to have for next age if there's no changes to how gains work.
Yes...so 1 abduct demands 5k free acres....lolQuote:
Originally Posted by 4gz
So how exactly do you think the outcome was predetermined? Once we waved bart he cried wolf and said we DB him( no deal was ever in place) and played the rest of the top on the GB the kingdom that gave us the button. You realize if we sent out they would have more acres as they could of quaded most targets... no GB happens bart might not of even pushed the button. You are in this position because of the actions of the rest of the top... and now that Bart can Power play he will and it sucks it happens to you but lay the blame in the correct places... Div, BB, Barco and panth. Coss was the only one with a legit claim to be in the GB.Quote:
Originally Posted by markers
Hehe Tit Fuzz.
It's pretty sad interfering with a ghetto war, and attacking a war weary prov that can't fight back. I can understand hitting it down OOW.
On a scale from 1 to 10, how butthurt do you have to be in order to support Bart to get even?Quote:
Originally Posted by Squee311
Was that war you're talking about hit into by the entire top which made one side only manage to lose more of they sent out?Quote:
Originally Posted by markers
Double standards now. Remember its ok to hit into war.Quote:
Originally Posted by sexual harassment panda
That happened in age 66. But guess what? We didn't stop because we don't fake war and farm outQuote:
Originally Posted by sexual harassment panda
All I hear is excuses. Just own it and pwn it. Bart is known for saying one thing to one person, something completely different to the next and even more different in the forums. Honestly wouldn't be surprised to see him post after age end the schematics that led to his land crown. Your piss poor warring being the main driving factorQuote:
Originally Posted by Squee311
Oh, I'm very much aware how the dynamics changed. It sucks for your kingdom, but really this wouldn't be happening to you if barcopandas, div, bb, sleepy, panthira didn't decide to gb and hit into a war for no good reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by titefuzz
Neither do we.Quote:
Originally Posted by markers
We've been very consistent on this. We had no cf with bart so we waved him for war after div noticed us. Div dealbroke and waved into the hostile. BB, Sleepy, Barcoloco, Panthira all joined in. Sparta declared war. They continued to hit into the war to the point where sending out would have cost us more acres than holding and war stance protected us better than leaving it to get razed. This isn't terribly complicated.Quote:
Originally Posted by markers
The only mistruth here has been Sparta lying to the other kds about the non-existent cf. Though given how everyone knows Bart lies these other kds were awfully eager to accept whatever he told them. He gets the last laugh in all of this as he'll crown and they are stuck with a massive unnecessary age throw.
titefuz the truth is that even if it was ****play , the only way anyone would police this if it would benefit them. It doesn't so they won't.
Heck BB and Divinity aren't even in the race anymore and still refuse to raze the acres they took from the last police action. And they don't trust each other enough to police Bart now in fear one or the other would get the advantage and crown. Or what, to them, would be worse a warring kingdom may crown.
If there was no ops or hits from titefuz's kingdom into Bart's kingdom before this, Bart hitting into their war is definitely something that should be policed.