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My invite must be in mail.
All hail the return of ABs!
People complain that mods that don't play are out of touch. People complain about mods playing because they're "capable" of abusing their power for in-game benefits (still haven't heard how).
TLDR: People will always complain, regardless.
Do you guys have any complaints about Proteus and/or Allanon moderating the forums that don't rely on conspiracy theories and "what if"s? Those would be the kinds of things you'd need to bring forward to make a change in mods
The prejudice will remain forever so I really can't do much to help in that respect. It's the will and way of the people. I'm specifically targeting possible in-game benefits. Maybe with some questions I can develop examples!Quote:
Originally Posted by Sassy_Wolfie
- Do the mods have access to the support email or are forum related concerns forwarded to them by the devs?
- Are the mods able to identify people viewing threads when they are not logged in?
- Do the mods have access to user IP addresses or would they be able to associate peoples' alternate accounts with their mains?
- Could being a mod on the forum change how these players are interacted with in-game? Could fear of retaliation, however unfounded it may be, cause them to receive preferential treatment?
- Could being in closer proximity to the devs cause them to gain any sort of privileged information? Are discussions about in-game violations or age changes conducted an entirely separate place?
Nope, none that I can think of. The top is a series of twisted conspiracy theories though (some true, some still waiting to be confessed to) so it wouldn't hurt to be cautious.Quote:
Originally Posted by Palem
No. All forum reports are emailed to the appropriate moderators, but the US e-mail is not visible to moderators. Strategy mods don't have the ability to infract, I can't recall if I left it on the UT mods or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by octobrev
No.Quote:
- Are the mods able to identify people viewing threads when they are not logged in?
No. There are a number of reasons why we wouldn't want to allow this.Quote:
- Do the mods have access to user IP addresses or would they be able to associate peoples' alternate accounts with their mains?
Being a mod could also result in negative in-game consequences due to perceived forum discrimination.Quote:
- Could being a mod on the forum change how these players are interacted with in-game? Could fear of retaliation, however unfounded it may be, cause them to receive preferential treatment?
Discussions occur in a private channel that the mods don't have access to. If mods attempt to use the access as a backchannel, I will remove them same as how I removed folks from the test group for attempting to use it as a private backchannel.Quote:
- Could being in closer proximity to the devs cause them to gain any sort of privileged information? Are discussions about in-game violations or age changes conducted an entirely separate place?
Thanks, really nothing for anyone to be too worried about then.Quote:
Originally Posted by JeffT
It does seem pretty locked up! I'll keep thinking though...
This. I have never heard any thing so ridiculous in all my internet life.Quote:
Originally Posted by realm of ding dong
Seriously grow up you mods and developers. I get that you hate Bart. I have never had interactions with him so I really don't know if he is any worse than Abs or any of the other cheating, farming kingdoms that there have been so, so many of over the years. But building rules pretty much specifically around one person you hate is just the most pathetic, childish, non productive thing you could possibly do. It reflects extremely badly on your group interpersonal skills and rational thinking that you have chosen to go this route. You need to face up to the fact that you cannot stop anyone playing this game who wants to, because they don't need an actual province to run a kingdom strategy or war. And you guys should know that better than most. So the next poster says 'Someone wants to say well done XX:XX', are you going to ban them too, because it MIGHT be a message from someone you hate? So probably anyone who knows Bart would know by now that he's banned. How on earth could any poster know about anyone else who is banned? You want to make the forum even more of an incestuous in group than it is already - that only people who know everyone and the politics of everything in the last 5 years of utopia can post?? Have you never heard of the saying 'Hard cases make bad law'? I suggest you look it up and ponder.
You guys should take a step back from your emotional Bart angst fest and see how this looks to outsiders. It's not pretty and it's not professional. It's not even clever or useful.
It has nothing to do with personal feelings. I actually liked Bart for the most part but his permaban was totally justified. He was given countless warnings over multuple ages to stop attacking the devs and attempting to undermine them and he simply refused.
Evading bans has always been against the rules. People that made alt accounts to avoid their bans got the new account banned and their ban was extended.
Communicating in the forums via an actual account vs an alt that they set up is no different and isn't acceptable. That goes for Bart, or Scott, or any other permabanned or temporary banned user
That's what they want you to think. With all these evil new mods in a few ages the game will be called Absalom.Quote:
Originally Posted by octobrev
I have no idea whether his ban was justified or not Palem and I don't really care tbh. Alts are clearly going to be banned if they are found, that is normal and makes sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Palem
I do think his ban has to do with some people's feelings though - there's too much ridiculousness being involved considering the guy hasn't committed murder or posted sex link viruses. He's banned, fine. But you can't wish him into nonexistence and he's clearly still playing the game, like it or not.
See you are already talking about Scott - well I have no idea who Scott is. But maybe I know him, it's not an uncommon name, but I have no idea he's banned, and he says oh wow you still post on that old crappy forum say hi to folks for me next time you're posting. Then someone goes SCOTT WAS MENTIONED - BANHAMMER!!! Maybe someone I talk to, say Freddie was temp banned, how on earth would I know? And over sap he says oh yeah just ask about how XX:XX;s war went, I'm not on my pc. I post and maybe I mention Freddie's name in my post,BANHAMMER!!
You still haven't addressed my other point, which is if a user posts 'Someone wants to say good job XX:XX' are you going to ban them because they MIGHT be referring to Bart? Or Scott? Or any other banned user, permabanned or temporary?
It is absolutely ridiculous, just the height and depth of ridiculousness and you would be far better off not trying to defend the indefensible and trying to drape a fig leaf of sense over it because that just tars you with the same 'has no sense and tunnel vision' brush. It would be frankly slightly less silly to say anyone mentioning Bart's name will be banned, or provide a list of names the mention of which will get anyone banned! (Yes, it would be pretty ridiculous, and the current situation is even sillier which sums it up quite well)
HARD CASES MAKE BAD LAW. It's as simple as that!
Evading bans is not acceptable, this is not a hard case.
If you are banned from the Forums, there is a reason for it and therefore your comments on the Forums are unwanted.
I'm also somewhat confused about why people think we 'hate' Bart. I don't hate him. He's been banned for good reason, not because of any other reason than the reasons stated very clearly in the thread that outlined what he did and why it was wrong. The policy update to include specific language detailing that posting on behalf of banned users is not allowed was to specify just that, not some backdoor way of keeping out a single user. It was not specifically stated previously and needed to be; there is no undertone or secret meaning for it. The policy is straight-forward and direct (and reasonable!).
There is nothing reasonable about forum Nazis.Quote:
Originally Posted by DavidC
If there's nothing productive from your posts, they will be removed; if you continually don't contribute discussion to the topic you will be removed.
There's a sub-forum specifically for spam, if that's what you want to do then do it there.
Discussion of topics by users with active accounts are what the Forums are for. If that is not what is taking place, then it's not acceptable Forum behavior.
Is that a personal warning, or can we expect a sharp decline in Palem spamming every thread with gifs?Quote:
Originally Posted by DavidC
Either way, my post was on topic and an apt response to your outlandish claim that the rule change was reasonable - because nothing you've implemented on the forums as been.
Bart himself provided more useful posts than any post from palem. Yet he is still a mod.
Just for arguments sake, you probably made one of the most stupidest post ever made.Quote:
Originally Posted by SnirpsneR
Comparing Bart to Palem? Lol!
Palem has actually done a lot good to this game than Bart could even think off. Just because since last 1 year or so he has acted trollish doesn't mean you compare him with someone who did nothing apart from provoking the mods or Devs or other fellow players.
<Post Removed - Reason: a person's marital status is not relevant to discussion on these forums>
Bart been helping newbies. Palem just spams stupid ****.
Bart actually played the game. He led a kingdom or two or three or four. That is a substantial contribution to the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Judge
During the period Bart has been 'active', Palem has either not had a province or has been hiding, and all he's managed to contribute to the forums is insight into his obsession with a certain morally bankrupt female celebrity.
Bart also regularly contributed to discussion on changes and mechanics as well as maintaining a thread on formulas.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pillz
So what Pillz and Pestilences is saying thats its okey to harass people and cheat and do other destructives things for the game because he did some good things. lol
You are allowed to loot people as long as you fund the expenses of a student's education! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Korp
You'd have a point, if I did that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pillz
In the time that Bart has been active, Sid hasn't played, therefore Bart is a much better leader than Sid.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pillz
See the problem with your argument?
active Bart leading kingdoms and teaching people is more useful to the current game than a non playing Sid tho.Quote:
Originally Posted by Palem
That wasn't the argument put forth though.
When does someone's efforts become null and void? It's not like I stopped playing 10 years ago. I built just as many kingdoms as Bart did and I certainly taught (or helped teach at least) more players than Bart ever did. Oh and I never taught people that cheating was ok.
It basically was, yes. Bart's been a more valuable member of the community than you have over the last several years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Palem
And by your own admission, he was a better mentor.
So valuable members in your worlds is those that cheat, harass people, pretend to be people they arent to trick new people...Quote:
Originally Posted by Pillz
No, I never mentioned anything about destructive things.Quote:
Originally Posted by Korp
I'm not so sure. Palem had several recruits that moved to top kingdoms. Palem is modest.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pillz
That was in response to Pills attack of Palm AGAINQuote:
Originally Posted by StratOcastle
Palm is an extremely adequate mod. His asstute adequatnessence permeates his every post. Palms adequacy adequately mods with caring adequateness.
Stratocastor my fiend says says Palm is a modest mod which would mean more moderation in most moderating from Palm.
I like the pretty colors of the new mods names. If they post together it will remind many users of Christmas. Allanon will soon has 1K posts.
In conclusion I believe most users [makes me think fondly of Tron] are over reacting to a nicer forum. Troll a byte as its good for you. So far I have seen "content removed" not bans.
ps : as Opapa says Have Fun and Prosper.
<Edited - Reason: Personal Attacks>
Bart and Palem both showed the virtue of being able to put up with me (most of the time). If you ask me that's an enormous contribution, just ask one of my haters if you don't believe me.
Now Bart is banned so that's kind of sad.
I've reported this post as it contains personal attacks against myself.Quote:
Originally Posted by sl0hnd
Additionally, yes, exposing players to cheating is a good thing.
Cheating did more good for this game than anyone cares to admit. It's an MMO that is almost strictly team based. # of provinces & kingdoms thus factor into the games health.
Xlogged provinces tend to fulfill valuable roles as they're active provinces interacting both ways with others, compared to the hundreds of empty multies we now have on 400 acres.
So more active 'participants' in the game, the healthier game play across the server is.
Next, many people quit in the wake of the xlogging and proxy rule change under Jolt. Some have returned on-and-off since, most haven't and won't. They left because xlogging offered them the ability to play with friends who held varying levels of interest and activity in the game, without being a burden. For many, playing with 1 log in or two a day in a ghetto was just not a substitute for proper social play in a good* kingdom.
Next, there is the fact that all current owners and admins have cheated extensively in the past... That no doubt contributed to their enjoyment of the game and look where it led them? Why deprive their customers of that opportunity?
Your views of the game, community, and it's dynamics are either severely lacking or you're playing some weird game of ideologically blissful ignorance if you don't think cheating has had a net positive effect on the game.
@Pills, You state Palm is a less valuable member of the community than Bart, a known cheater, for several years.
LOL how is my post worse than your personal attack?
ps: I like that known cheater whose name I dare not post.
If the developers allow it I am willing to play up to 10 provinces for my current KD. We could easily cherry pick the committed players who want to participate in team efforts and fill up to 25 then. I believe we could go for land crown even.
His post being worse than yours does not make your own post OK. A relative metric is absolutely redundant in this case.Quote:
Originally Posted by sl0hnd
Saying he's less valuable to the community isn't a personal attack, it's an evaluation of his material contribution to the community, and has nothing to do with him personally.Quote:
Originally Posted by sl0hnd
First off, report actioned. Try not to faint in shock.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pillz
Secondly, a lot of what was viewed by the owners at the time as cheating has now been integrated into the game as features in recognition of the positive effect it had on the game. In place of account trading we now have the invite system. In the place of x-logging we now have the sitting system.
These elements of the game were viewed as cheating at the time, however, and their introduction as formal parts of the game does not change that status.
Yes, some players still cheat, and yes the game owners have cheated in the past when they were players of the game not the owners and operators. But now it falls on them to provide a stable, even and fairly regulated environment for the game to proceed on, and as a part of that they have to introduce and enforce the rules of the game, and action violations of those rules just as the owners of the game at the time they were players would have actioned them had they been caught cheating.
You should serve as an example, not rile people up like a forum troll.Quote:
Originally Posted by Allanon
Sitting is not equivalent to xlogging in any meaningful way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Allanon
And they should provide exactly that sort of environment, by introducing adequate features that ease game play commitments (actual xlogging).
And by not suffocating the community at every opportunity. But i digress.
No your post IS a personal attack, obfuscation. You Quote him by NAME.
The diff is Palm did not report you. I get it now. TQ Mati for showing me logic.
So actionable offenses are more like a mad scrum for a fumble in football. I can live with that.
TWEET, personal foul sl0hnd, 15 yards and loss of 1 point.
Freakin hades froze. I too like prov sitting.
PPL xloggin and playing multi accounts is OK by me, err I mean bad, BAD
I believe what Pillz was getting at was that creating 400 acre provinces and never playing them hurts more than actual played multies.
In my mind multies that eventually get deleted hurts the most, creating 400 acre provinces is a close 2nd while I believe legal multies would actually help KDs trying to get somewhere. That said I've actually created close to 10 provinces at once in an attempt to land in a decent kingdom, well that was just stupid - could have used the forum.