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No I wanted a war.. duh
What he meant was why would we send a ceasefire the same tick that we we're waving when we thought we had intentions for war and I always thought the game was play if you didn't want to have war with someone you sent a ceasefire in the whole time I've been playing this game and aggressive Kingdom has never sent us a cease fire when they were waving us
What I meant was what I said.. I don't wave kingdoms with hopes to cf. Its a monarchs job to protect his kingdom. They want to war click button, they want to run send cf. I would accept it instantaneously but it's not my job to protect his kingdom.
How on earth do you think it would be possible when they wouldnt war you? You know, it takes two people to war.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rhaegar
In several posts before you and your kingdom has expressed that you wanted to a CF so you could move on. You also wanted them to send a CF, so whats so hard sending a CF yourself? They wouldnt want war you, you wanted to move on, sending a CF would solve that issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by KevDash
I did send a Cf when I realized he couldn't find the cf button but that's not normal. Like I said in all my ages as king I have never had to do that. When they jumped in a war, in order for us to move on, they needed to cf with us. I didn't want to cf anyone. I wanted a war, they didn't want to war so THEY needed to send cf with us, so we can all move on.
Except they didn't "need" to (even though it would have been sensible for them to do it), and in the end you only got the CF when you sent it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rhaegar
Generally I agree with you that I would expect the KD telling me they want a CF to actually offer one (and I would be willing to do the same when it's me wanting the CF), but if they won't do that I am open to finding another way (eg agreeing what time to be online together) to avoid me needing to leave a CF open to the other KD. Ultimately, you both wanted the CF - if you didn't, you wouldn't have accepted/offered it (even though obviously you would have preferred war).
I didn't know if they would war or not.. kingdoms say one thing and do another all the time. Sending a Cf would show me they didn't want war. Without the cf I was under the impression a war was still possible. Until they jumped in war (with a bigger kingdom then us FYI) I thought war was around the corner. After they jumped in war I sent them cf because I didn't want to beat them up in war but they still didn't accept it, so we did what we had to do.
So instead of looking for a new war you rather waste your time hitting a kingdom that wouldnt war you. That seems grand, I see you have had much success in finding wars this age, a whole 0 wars in Year 4. Maybe you should step down as a monarch cause that isnt a impressive record at all. But lets look at the facts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rhaegar
This what you wrote earlier but after that you have changed the story so many times its. I mean you wrote that you werent around until march 3 (thats the day after) how can you then been trying to get a CF since day 1? Also now you write that you didnt want a CF at all while as we can you previously claimed that you wanted a CF.Quote:
2:20 responded to me after first wave and said no war to which I responded send cf. I have been trying to get a cf since day one and yet here we are.
Sending a CF when it became clear they wouldnt war you would been the best approach and you would been done with it. But seems like you rather waste your kingdoms time rather than trying to find new wars.
Yes, I'm not questioning those parts, I think that makes sense (although I haven't actually seen all the messages to understand what was said and when in terms of whether it's accurate / reflects the facts, but I give you the benefit of the doubt). I was just responding to some of your previous few posts here which suggested it was their responsibility to send the CF.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rhaegar
I only got the cf after I posted in this godforsaken forum with all the others that were telling them the same thing. They thought they were going to have everyone in agreement that we were bullies but they were mistaken.
Or you could have gotten that CF if you sent one, but that apparently isnt the way to handle things.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rhaegar
Do you not understand that the cf the accepted was the on we sent after they pulled back the cf they sent usQuote:
Originally Posted by Korp
Dont you understand that a kingdom that tells you tehy wont war you wont war you? How hard is it to grasp that? So you could have sent a CF early on, like in feb 13 and you could have moved on and tried to find another target to war.Quote:
Originally Posted by KevDash
When no msg was sent to me (the stwert and i was on) claiming no war why would i send a cf to a kd that was opping my kd
How could you claim that your were not planning to war us when your opping my kd mate like this
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This may hurt our military effectiveness.March 19 of YR4Meteors rain across the lands and kill 14 peasants, 2 soldiers, 9 Goblins, 30 Trolls and 8 Ogres!March 20 of YR4We were not able to fully pay our military. This may hurt our military effectiveness.March 20 of YR4Meteors rain across the lands and kill 20 peasants, 2 soldiers, 12 Goblins, 39 Trolls and 10 Ogres!March 21 of YR4We were not able to fully pay our military. This may hurt our military effectiveness.March 21 of YR4Meteors rain across the lands and kill 20 peasants, 1 soldier, 6 Goblins, 20 Trolls and 5 Ogres!March 21 of YR4Forces from An unknown province from Victors Shag Shack (3:19) came through and ravaged our lands! They abducted three scientists: Professor Niditu (Military), Professor Stanchop (Military) and Professor Alvashjthran (Housing)! We lost 14 soldiers, 210 Trolls and 57 Ogres in this battle.March 22 of YR4We were not able to fully pay our military. This may hurt our military effectiveness.March 22 of YR4Meteors rain across the lands and kill 8 peasants, 3 soldiers, 15 Goblins, 47 Trolls and 13 Ogres!March 23 of YR4We were not able to fully pay our military. This may hurt our military effectiveness.March 23 of YR4Meteors rain across the lands and kill 11 peasants, 1 soldier, 7 Goblins, 24 Trolls and 6 Ogres!
But you had a war planned wouldn't you save your mana
I believe both sides handled this badly. They were wrong to run to war without tying up relations, creating a bad situation. You were wrong to hit into the war without provocation, making the bad situation worse.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rhaegar
Also could been saved by sending a CF as your monarch claimed to been online at March 3 and in that case read the messages where stating they wouldnt war you.
Turns out Crux Leonis (2:20) did retaliate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Puck
Good to know that you have no level of foresight or onward strategic thinking. My guess is that you can expect lots of razes into your next war if you ever manage to choose to war someone your own size, because you've given a green light that it's ok in your way of thinking. You pound a kd sufficiently that relations wont decay then hit into their war. Dirty play and rather stupid. What goes around comes around.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rhaegar
Devolorian can expect a tough time in wars going foreward is my prediction. You think the guys you treated like that are always going to be smaller than you? You think you are some kind of hot shot super kd that nobody would touch? Dream on!
I never said anybody cheated, I said the king was conspiring to cheat and this thread was hypocritical of them. Then I posted a first-hand account of an eye-witness inside the organization in question. If that’s not a slam-dunk case, I don’t know what is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Korp
Pump your chest out more, you’re really scaring us tough guy. You’re extrapolating a single instance into the entirety of our KD’s existence, with none of the “proof” you’ve been requesting that we provide you for our arguments.Quote:
Originally Posted by Korp
Firstly, those numbers were posted by you, and tbh at this point I don’t trust your integrity. I’d like to see where our numbers were on Feb 1st or so before any of this started. Another of our KDmates took the intel right before wave, but I remember while we were looking for targets earlier that day they were much closer than that. Perhaps I’m mistaking them for a different target, but that wouldn’t be the first time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Korp
It’s not our job to protect their interests. If they didn’t want to fight, it’s their prerogative to send the CF to us.Quote:
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Because you thought it necessary to continue repeating this same question, I thought I would answer them all at once. It’s not our job to protect them from their own egos. If they want to resist a CF agreement with us, that’s their problem. We had to cover our behinds, and if that means hitting into their war then so be it. If we were just greedily land-grabbing and bottom-feeding, we wouldn’t have switched from TM’s to razing once they entered war. I don’t understand why you think it’s our responsibility to create their CF for them. Once we realized they were having internal strife over it and that the monarch was to blame, we put an open-ended CF at their feet until they finally accepted it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Korp
The whole “they won’t war you if they say they won’t” is a naïve statement, and not a sentiment I would want in any leader. We’ve had KD’s tell us they didn’t want war, accept the cf, then turned around and broke it a day later. And it’s not breaking the rules, yes it’s unethical, but it’s completely allowed. If they don’t want to offer a CF, we’re inclined to believe they’re planning something against us and perfectly justified in continuing to attack them.
Good to know you’re real emotional and have nothing to say that would benefit this conversation, but felt it necessary to call us mean and stupid. Thanks for your input. I can’t believe I’m going to dignify this (barely) implicit call for social justice with a response. The strategic thinking was 2:20 was strategically thinking about once our backs were turned. Looking back now, we realize that those signals were sent in ignorance of the relation mechanics (or at least I hope so, playing ignorant for this long would be pretty pathetic). Honest mistake on our part, but the moral I get from that is not to overestimate my opponents. I think we can agree that’s not a great take-home message. As far as razing into our future wars, if you want to be spiteful then go for it. I feel like we were perfectly justified in requiring a CF from them before we moved on, especially when they’re the ones that turned it into an ethical issue. If they had never joined a war and we were pummeling them in normal stance while they refused to CF, every person in this forum would be yelling at them to just accept the CF and come back later. But now because they jumped into a war without ending our relations, the blame shifts to us? That’s not reasonable, and it’s not right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sweetiepie
You have one account of a person claiming that the monarch was supposedly offering a war win to help him out. So what you are saying is that we if we get one of your players in your kingdom messaging someone telling half the kingdom is xlogging thats a slamdunk proof that is the case?Quote:
I never said anybody cheated, I said the king was conspiring to cheat and this thread was hypocritical of them. Then I posted a first-hand account of an eye-witness inside the organization in question. If that’s not a slam-dunk case, I don’t know what is.
Anyone with munk can check those numbers to confirm. What kd mates? You think I play in 2:20, lol.Quote:
Firstly, those numbers were posted by you, and tbh at this point I don’t trust your integrity. I’d like to see where our numbers were on Feb 1st or so before any of this started. Another of our KDmates took the intel right before wave, but I remember while we were looking for targets earlier that day they were much closer than that. Perhaps I’m mistaking them for a different target, but that wouldn’t be the first time.
Its your job to protect your own interest, now you wasted several days and bought a lot of bad will on top of that. But I guess thats a success in your case? ...Quote:
It’s not our job to protect their interests. If they didn’t want to fight, it’s their prerogative to send the CF to us.
Well since nobdy can answer it I had to repeat until someone actually did answer the questions. How could they resist something that never was on the table until well into their own war? If you wanted a CF as your monarch claimed from day one why not just simply send a CF? You dragged out the situation and dug your own pit the more you attacked. You people keep talking about how they should they were in no position where they actually needed the CF unlike you guys that needed CF to reset the meter yet you didnt do a single effort to send a CF.Quote:
Because you thought it necessary to continue repeating this same question, I thought I would answer them all at once. It’s not our job to protect them from their own egos. If they want to resist a CF agreement with us, that’s their problem. We had to cover our behinds, and if that means hitting into their war then so be it. If we were just greedily land-grabbing and bottom-feeding, we wouldn’t have switched from TM’s to razing once they entered war. I don’t understand why you think it’s our responsibility to create their CF for them. Once we realized they were having internal strife over it and that the monarch was to blame, we put an open-ended CF at their feet until they finally accepted it.
The whole “they won’t war you if they say they won’t” is a naïve statement, and not a sentiment I would want in any leader. We’ve had KD’s tell us they didn’t want war, accept the cf, then turned around and broke it a day later. And it’s not breaking the rules, yes it’s unethical, but it’s completely allowed. If they don’t want to offer a CF, we’re inclined to believe they’re planning something against us and perfectly justified in continuing to attack them.
Why is it on them when they arent the one needing the CF? Seems like you had two options, send a CF to reset the meter or keeping attacking and agigate them even further and cause more bad will potentially a grudge. You chose the later and most dumb option. The one party that wants the CF most should be the one that sends the CF.
Besides your zero wars this age shows that you are doing something very wrong so maybe time to change tactics.
Social justice? You some kind of political blowhard?Quote:
Originally Posted by sirdante77
You think you don't have to worry about making enemies? Dream on. And enemies often have friends. And you guys are not hard to track down in the future either. You've sent the message that it's ok to raze into your wars, because you do it to others. What goes around comes around. You either worry about them because they are your equals in which case you don't raze into their wars, or you don't worry about them because they are very weak in which case you have nothing to worry about so you should not be razing into their wars.
I love the way this has turned in your mind into other people being unreasonable and unfair.
If you can't see the difference between hitting into a war and hitting out of a war you are blind. Shortsighted? Get a pair of spectacles!
I want to be informed personally when sweetiepie razes into your wars, guys.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sweetiepie
It's the people they directly pi$$ off they have to worry about. If one of them is a Sheister clone, stand by for the million page thread and they'll deserve it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pillz
First off, they were our size. 2nd, starting a dragon on us makes us believe they were going to war us. Who in their right mind says they will not war us after our wave, then start a dragon on us? We took it as a cunning tactic. Also, since when dies a kd stop a wave right away once the other kd says they wont war? Usally the aggresser will take there free hits and move on after getting the cf. We never got one. We even left them a cf that sat for days. We have had kds hit into our wars in the past, it happens. It sucks but it DOES happen. To say that kd will now hunt us down when in war is just sad. If they do, then they do, and we will deal with it when it comes. But then knowone has the right to jugde us for our actions agaisnt this kd. Ill say this again, since it seems to be getting looked over. They were not out of range of us at the time of our wave. We were about 200k nw larger but had less acres, they did hit back i had at least 3 learns done on me from them after they said they would not war us. And i have 2 days of ops done to me. Doesnt seem to me that they were being bullied. We BOTH were being spiteful. WE just didnt run to the forums for help.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sweetiepie
I gave 220 every chance in the book to send/accept cf.. we didn't want a cf, we wanted war, they didn't want war. So it is there obligation to send cf otherwise they force us to hit them until they send a Cf in war or out. When we don't want war, we send cf before the kingdom can even finish there wave. Followed by a message that usually goes something like this "we are not interested in warring you guys, when your done waving please accept cf. Please and thank you" It's not that difficult.
Half of there kingdom couldn't understand what was wrong with there own monarch.. 2 provinces jumped ship on them in the middle of there war and a couple others claimed to be leaving as soon as war was over because of how foolish there monarch acted. It was terrible leadership which is why we focused all attacks while they were in war strictly on the monarch..
The most honest and unbiased comment so far. Thx
Not surprised.Quote:
Originally Posted by Horus85
Raze into into wars it comes back at ya.
Kind of ....Point. Proven.
Honestly guys, how many kds that have the upper hand back down? Since when is it the job of the attacking kd to cater to the enemy kd? Has utopia changed in the last 15+ years? Does it not seem odd that you would not take the cf if you wanted the hits to stop? I guess im clueless? To make it clear, we dont need people to side with us or against us. We did what we felt was right in this situation. Agree or disagree, it really doesnt matter. We have had it done to us and we have seen it done before. After all is said and done, this is just a game.
It was well before we had done this. We learned the hard way about not leaving open hostilities. As im sure they have too. But i guess not every kd is as honorable and just as your kd is. Your kd must be one of those rare perfect top kds huh?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sweetiepie
I find it funny how many times I’ve seen in his thread that Puck doesn’t know game mechanics or what he’s doing . He’s ran kingdoms for a very long time Aswell as alliances . I wouldn’t take what he’s doing as a sign of him not knowing what he’s doing . That could come back to bite someone later .Id stop poking the dog before he bites someone .
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OK, fair enough. Do you view out of war hits/interference in a war as something that the developers should discourage?Quote:
Originally Posted by Pillz
With the amount of learns and ops on me alone, it didnt seem like they were going to back out.(whether they truly planned too or not) i could sent you the pages on pages of ops and the hanful of learns from them if you wish. You seem to twist the narrative to make them the victims. If they truly didnt want to war us and wanted us to leave them alone they would of took the cf or sent us one. Its that simple.Quote:
Originally Posted by Korp
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I don’t even know what you’re attempting to say here.Quote:
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We got some acres, taught some noobs a lesson, avoided getting stabbed in the back, and kept activity up. So yes, win-win…win, win in our case.Quote:
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We answered it multiple times, you just didn’t like the answer. We didn’t need the CF, they did. We’re happy to take acres with no retaliation. We’d rather a fair fight, but if we can’t get one down here, we’ll take the acres and grow. They needed the CF more than we did, if that wasn’t the case then this situation wouldn’t be in the forums in the first place.Quote:
Originally Posted by Korp
Politics disgust me, but if the shoe fits then wear it proudly sweetie. Once again you’re just back threatening people and calling names. One of the more respected unwritten rules is not to post coordinates when you’re discussing KD’s in the forum, but that’s been completely broken here. And wouldn’t you know, not a word of protest in our favor. You’re putting words in my mouth. I never said anybody was acting unfairly towards us, but pretending that we’re completely out of line is unreasonable. I’m in this game to make enemies and fight wars, so bring it on. If you think what we’ve done is so abhorrent then stop calling on the masses to strike us down and come visit us yourself. If what we’ve done is so bad then come and spank me, baby! Don’t threaten a Devolorian with a good time ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Sweetiepie
Ironic that you call other kds noobs when you dont have a single war and that size. :)Quote:
We got some acres, taught some noobs a lesson, avoided getting stabbed in the back, and kept activity up. So yes, win-win…win, win in our case.
So since you didnt need the CF you just hit into war to be <removed>. Glad that you admit it at least. Why did they need the CF? It didnt matter for them if they left open relations with you guys you're the one thats been scared all this time that a bunch of noobs would come back and declare you. Evverything in this thread has been you having the need to force a CF out of them yet you didnt need the CF. lol.Quote:
We answered it multiple times, you just didn’t like the answer. We didn’t need the CF, they did. We’re happy to take acres with no retaliation. We’d rather a fair fight, but if we can’t get one down here, we’ll take the acres and grow. They needed the CF more than we did, if that wasn’t the case then this situation wouldn’t be in the forums in the first place.
There you go again twisting it. He means we were not the ones backing away. So we didnt need the cf. Once they jumped into war THEN we did need that cf.Quote:
Originally Posted by Korp
But your monarch stated in this thread that you (your kingdom) tried to get a CF from day 1.Quote:
Originally Posted by Horus85