Suicide Squad VS FReakstyle

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Originally Posted by Zauper

Look, fighting over this is dumb:

At the end of the day, KDs helping SS claim that SS is organizing / helping organize it. There is no dumb 'reasonable doubt' as to what is happening.

There is no 'right' to land or honor in utopia -- it's about what you have the capacity to defend. If you choose to acquire lots of honor and don't grow, then yes, a larger kingdom can come along and take your honor. Now, I would say that this is true within reason -- there's a limit to how far a kingdom can reasonably be allowed to push another kingdom. That said, this isn't a conflict between kds that are at the bottom of the charts and are ghettos that are slugging eachother. This is between #1 and #2.

I think it's safe to say that most people would acknowledge that I'm not FS' biggest fan. Obviously I played in ED, and even after that I was close with ED until this age -- and ED and FS were at eachothers throats. There are probably reasons for kds to be mad at FS, and that's fine. Those reasons don't justify breaking an EOA CF, and the justification of 'well, they waved a kd too small to war them' is bull****.

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Zauper, I have also not seen justification for for what has happened. But neither have I looked for it. Most people who have beef with FS and allies (you included) know full well what they are like because they have dealt with them first hand. You dont need to fiddle through the specifics of this case and each and every case, you just say 'oh they ****played me before.' Most of these kds that have had first hand experience were (and still are) unorganized and have been unable to respond. This age alone the kd I used to play in was DB'd and hit into an active hostile from FS, which was the last straw that caused us to disband. When kds stop looking at each case in isolation and go on their personal experiences with FS there will be a chance of meaningful resistance. Until that happens history keeps repeating itself.

I'm wondering how this got to 31:pages. Bringing up FS is like beating a dead horse..

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Originally Posted by Zauper

Look, fighting over this is dumb:

At the end of the day, KDs helping SS claim that SS is organizing / helping organize it. There is no dumb 'reasonable doubt' as to what is happening.

There is no 'right' to land or honor in utopia -- it's about what you have the capacity to defend. If you choose to acquire lots of honor and don't grow, then yes, a larger kingdom can come along and take your honor. Now, I would say that this is true within reason -- there's a limit to how far a kingdom can reasonably be allowed to push another kingdom. That said, this isn't a conflict between kds that are at the bottom of the charts and are ghettos that are slugging eachother. This is between #1 and #2.

I think it's safe to say that most people would acknowledge that I'm not FS' biggest fan. Obviously I played in ED, and even after that I was close with ED until this age -- and ED and FS were at eachothers throats. There are probably reasons for kds to be mad at FS, and that's fine. Those reasons don't justify breaking an EOA CF, and the justification of 'well, they waved a kd too small to war them' is bull****.

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I think fighting over this is the most interesting thing to happen yet this age, unless the IRS is feeling generous and wants to start some drama over the growth charts?

Therefore I'll continue to play devils advocate and urge people to continue killing each other for sport.

As long as they are willing to accept the consequences, the only justification a KD needs to break a deal, gangbang someone, or do anything else in the game that isn't against the rules is that they personally feel it is the right thing to do.

Whether those involved fully appreciate the consequences is still up in the air.

Meep I'd like you to apologize for forum dealbreaking and copying OG N0tail

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Originally Posted by jwuzi

Meep I'd like you to apologize for forum dealbreaking and copying OG N0tail

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I've got OG NOTails permission to steal his dank memes.

Apology denied.

I dare all who are involved to tag next age. We continue this fight immediately once oop.. Shall we?

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Originally Posted by Meep

I've got OG NOTails permission to steal his dank memes.

Apology denied.

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So smart

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Originally Posted by lampost

Zauper, I have also not seen justification for for what has happened. But neither have I looked for it. Most people who have beef with FS and allies (you included) know full well what they are like because they have dealt with them first hand. You dont need to fiddle through the specifics of this case and each and every case, you just say 'oh they ****played me before.' Most of these kds that have had first hand experience were (and still are) unorganized and have been unable to respond. This age alone the kd I used to play in was DB'd and hit into an active hostile from FS, which was the last straw that caused us to disband. When kds stop looking at each case in isolation and go on their personal experiences with FS there will be a chance of meaningful resistance. Until that happens history keeps repeating itself.

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you'll have to provide evidence cause obviously FS isn't willing to respond properly.

I agree with you that there is a clear pattern of abuse of the spirit of the game. But since me and my kingdom are nobodies it doesn't matter what I think, nor does it matter what 10 other nobody kingdoms think. I am pretty sure I established the behavioral pattern somewhere in these pages. And matter of fact FS has demonstrated their behavior as well. For all those that haven't had the pleasure of dealing with FS in game, their actions in game are absolutely linear with what they do here in the forum.
I never thought waving below/above declare range was such a problem and it really isnt as long as the kingdom with the upper hand is reasonable.

For example, Ascension waved us knowing full well we cannot and will not retalliate. Did it feel awesome? no. But they answered my mail and said hey, yea helping out a friend, these are our terms for a cf. And that is fine(even though I declined as they knew I would).
example2: FS waved us well above declare range so they knew we couldnt declare. They ignored all messages (3) and a sent cf. Meanwhile provinces of theirs sent mails to us. But at no point did FS give us even an idea of what they were after or how long this would last or what we would could do to make it stop. For all we knew they could have hit us to 149 points and then just farm one more hit every day. That is not okay.

Running this same gig over and over is even worse. And after all is said and done they run their mouth about the kingdoms they warred. This happens to the few legit wars they have also. You can go to every single fs war thread and there will be accusations of cheating and unfair play before and during war. Then when war is over they'll show "how stupid" opposing kingdom was. And yes, I know you will dispute this and claim whatever it's just the way you say things it wasn't meant that way. That works once maybe twice, not if it happens every time, not for me anyway.

And all the while you are claiming others are cheating, dealbreaking and whatnot you receive gold in war. Slick move cause it can't be proven since it doesn't show up in news. The thing is though that everybody knows it. And yet those same people that know this are protecting you now. Please don't insult mine and everyone else's intelligence and claim it's not true.
So if a kingdom receives resources from a willing kingdom during war is it still a 1 vs 1?
Or is it just a 1 vs 1 cause it's FS? or is it still a 1 vs 1 cause there is no real proof?

as iampost stated it's not the single incident that determines right from wrong it's a pattern. A pattern that should be clearly visible to all but sadly apparently isn't.

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Originally Posted by Korp

I'm wondering how this got to 31:pages. Bringing up FS is like beating a dead horse..

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tell them to stop bullying and we won't need 31 pages


As long as the people in this forum think that they rule this world of Utopia the game will keep on dying. You can blame the devs all you want but that isn't what makes people quit. The actions and inactions of this community is what is to blame. I was one of the ones that just sat quiet for a long time. So I am to blame as much as you and you, until I stood up for what I know is right. Not right for me, accepting those terms would have been the easy way out, right for the game and for the community.

It was me whom contacted anri as he was my ex leader/boss based on trust, but hell no i did not organise any GBs to FS as i only personally asked for Anri for help. If you wanna sell it out that way, get over yourself. You are just licking people's boot to secure your top NAP for your lands. And now he blocks me on whatsapp lol the moment i asked him why spread the news of arranging gbs on FS and also clarified others razed due to the bottomfeed issues and he blocks. Yes i did tell him there are some kds doing so, and is because the other kingdoms whom are doing so are seeking for revenge. He did reply maybe some others are interested and i said yess of course initially but it was due to revenge which i guess he did not know cause our conversations were short and i did not need to eexplain so detailed to him

It's a server war now?? LOL excitement

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Originally Posted by Goodwitch

tell them to stop bullying and we won't need 31 pages


As long as the people in this forum think that they rule this world of Utopia the game will keep on dying. You can blame the devs all you want but that isn't what makes people quit. The actions and inactions of this community is what is to blame. I was one of the ones that just sat quiet for a long time. So I am to blame as much as you and you, until I stood up for what I know is right. Not right for me, accepting those terms would have been the easy way out, right for the game and for the community.

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Action thats what speaks, people just yapping in the forums are people who cant do. So, rather than arguing in the forum, use your ingame actions do the talking.

friends makes it different, i guess.

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Originally Posted by Korp

Action thats what speaks, people just yapping in the forums are people who cant do. So, rather than arguing in the forum, use your ingame actions do the talking.

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Well in that respect he deserves credit more than me and others. He's taking action despite having the odds stacked so heavily against him.

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Originally Posted by Goodwitch

you'll have to provide evidence cause obviously FS isn't willing to respond properly.

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They have not responded at all, that speaks volumes in it of itself.

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Originally Posted by Korp

Action thats what speaks, people just yapping in the forums are people who cant do. So, rather than arguing in the forum, use your ingame actions do the talking.

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Well ss took action to max meter fs after eating two waves from them. And apparently it was the wrong choice because the skds think we shouldn't have responded to their power play.

no markers, people don't like you organizing a gb. If you had just warred straight, no one would have done a thing.