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We have 125+ people believing this GB is correct and 50 more not participating that agree to it (one being BB who out of respect of being allied to you won't physically help but whom agreed to stand off one of the new GB kds that is now helping).Quote:
Originally Posted by Elit
When you are ready to open negotiations Elit for us to all move on you know where to find me. You must do the approaching now as this GB will not stop until you msg someone from Havoc/Rage/Pyro or Simians.
This thread is now 81, could really be closed...
Big boys can talk in private, save some internet ink!
1. CR would indeed have won the crown, no doubt about thatQuote:
Originally Posted by Smitty87
2. AMA would not in a million years have smashed PyroManiaCs, they even offered to premature suicide their cows so PyroManiaCs and them could get into war prior to CF expiry. This could very well have been labelled running though, were it not for the "reset clause".
After the razes on AMA's cows, PyroManiaCs had a better chance against CR than AMA. So, CR -vs- PyroManiaCs will be the aim. If both kingdoms agreed to fight at equal acres, that's their choice.
He's someone that plays Utopia and who's opinion/respect, under current circumstances, carries more weight than yours.Quote:
Originally Posted by Proteus
I only have this to post:Quote:
Originally Posted by Fury
[02:58] <Elit> we will suicde
[02:58] <Elit> its clear
[02:58] <NesTa13> suicide outsiders?
[02:58] <Elit> so your cows can tap x3-4
[02:58] <Elit> we can suoice on your cow non land attack for example
[02:58] <Elit> its details
Hypocrite much?
More dictatorship logs found; I can post them as well. I'll take three lines from it just to show to AMA's attitude when they still had the upper hand:
[05:10:41] <Elit> but if pew pew hit us after we waved pyro its goint to be bad for you too
[05:10:47] <Elit> im refer for all incoming ages
[05:10:55] <Elit> not like you will end good this age goo
What goes around, comes around.
I missed this but thank you for admitting finally what you did was wrong. It was not Havoc's fault the style in which they played and how they had an advantage over both AMA/Pyro. With your play it has actually given Pyro a chance due to Havoc needing to negotiate something for us to agree to help GB.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elit
Do you see now how AMA has actually influenced this age chart? If you had played it out Havoc would of won and you could have argued they had many advantages (which they did). But now you can't argue you got lame played as you yourself admit that what you did was lame.
9/10 people on the server thinks what AMA did was wrong. I am sure there is players even in AMA that felt dealbreak was not the right move to make. Not sure what AMA is arguing about here on the forums.
You had your chance at crown and blew it by dealbreak, despite of this people was willing to give you a second chance to still be in the race, but it got rejected by Elit. I am so not sure what it is AMA wants to get with this.
Are they mad at Pyro for gaining acres, maybe so, but the crown war will be between Pyro and CR and they settle it, without AMA, because AMA did not want to play nice. Sucks, does it not.
But dont make irrational moves that will make you GBed.
That would be labelled chart shaping which is why Rage pulled out last age and why they know Pew/Simians from AGES ago. This "if you can't beat them join them" attitude on ****playing is what is killing this game.Quote:
Originally Posted by faegan
Jeez Remote, did you think in your wildest dreams your payback would cause these chain of events. lol
I'm guessing he's all like Hannibal Smith: I love it when a plan comes together...Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Knight
(The plan being payback on AMA for dealbreaking)
When CR and AMA are done with their war AMA is in pretty good range to farm out to PewPew. Now wouldnt that be a twist of fate?!
:)
Yes, you opted to deal break after being offered the deal you wanted when a kd was thinking about following the precedent you set: noticing a kd, and hitting them if they run. So long as the initial notice is valid...Quote:
Originally Posted by Elit
Sounds like a double standard.
And why did you deal break? It wasn't 'to get even qq' it was because you guys didn't think you could beat pyro anymore.
I believe your assessment of BB is inaccurate. Best you only provide input on what you know as fact and not conjecture up a reason for others.Quote:
Originally Posted by American Badass
LoL, that is exactly what i have noticed too...Elit is paranoid...he was hooked by mansoor, and was hooked now by CR with childish threats. How low of you guys to exploit Elit's weakness to be paranoid :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Anri
I make say that AMA gets their come-uppins is hell good and fair. Treat with GB from many kds for try to Dodge war make Justice Poetry
is this thread closed now?
Intentionally giving pyro acres on purpose so they have a chance vs. havoc while we raze havoc is called screwing over havoc not being afraid/running. I am not sure why your kingdom is so arrogant, you haven;t done anything noteworthy...we've all done bigger and better things when it was harder to win than it is now.Quote:
Originally Posted by faegan
You do realize the only reason you, Drixx, or any other clown is even remotely involved in leading anything because the game is dead right, 5 ages ago no one would let peopole like this iwthin a mile of even council yet now when majority of community quit is your time to have your time in the sunshine. Thats the funniest thing about this.Quote:
Originally Posted by American Badass
What you want to prove with this logs? After all ****s started again we loss all chances for get FAIR war with pyro. Why i need to waste mt time and war and if win need to waste more time agains much bigger disadvantage. I wanted FAIR war and its was loss. There is other cut with logs. enjoy them.Quote:
Originally Posted by faegan
[07:37] <cJ> i think if ama-pyro war, at first ama has advantage. now pyro got a little advantage. i dont know if winner got any chance vs havoc
[07:37] <cJ> unless we make deal, loser of war must 'farm' out
[07:38] <cJ> you sure you dont want to consider both of us warring, and wwe cannot b2b and winner must fight havoc? if you think there's 0 chance for ama to win havoc (if ama-pyro fight normal. no farming out), then hmmm
[07:38] <Elit> we can make deal but its wont be so legit
[07:39] <Elit> and still its going to do alot dmg both kds
[07:39] <cJ> i dont know. one part of me says i should be happy if elit wants to LD acres to pyro and give pyro more chance to win havoc. the other part of me says i want to war ama fair and square. and try to win.
[07:39] <Elit> and i need to waste my time for war few days
[07:39] <Elit> its wont be fair war now for us
[07:39] <cJ> thing is, if we war. and let's say if it's clear 1 side win, maybe i can talk to nesta the other kingdom must 'farm' out
My offer for gave land for cf in hostile is much more legit.
lol, you are implying the game wasnt dead 5 ages ago? The amount of players has barely changed during these 5, or so ages, compared to the amount of players the game had when it was alive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Proteus
Just because they wronged AMA 4/5 ages ago? (I say AMA as you was not even playing in them). So AMA wanted to revenge the **** they received 5 ages ago and cause Havoc to then hold a grudge and have a genuine reason for revenge in future ages to scrub AMA out of a future crown? Does no one from AMA understand that the cycle will never break UNLESS we draw a line now and agree from age 60, no past **** can ever be mentioned as a reason to justify a future lame move or be a reason to justify one). I am hoping with this GB it draws the line and this lameplay has been actioned so Havoc can never use the line "AMA dealbroke us so we dealbroke them". In my eyes this GB is action enough to resolve it and IF havoc do refer to this as a reason for a ****play in future it will not wash.Quote:
Originally Posted by Proteus
Do you lot even listen/think or read what you type? Any normal person can hopefully now see in light of Proteus' and Elit's recent posts they deal broke and was prepared to do anything dirty to screw over Havoc. The whole "they threatened us with a thread start" is a whole smokescreen they are using to try and justify their actions. Anyone whom can't agree with this either is from AMA or walks around with their head up their arse which would be a reason they post so much bull ****.
AMA played really well this age beating both Pew and Rage from a disadvantage. Given recent ages AMA is probably the best kd (I personally think AMA/Havoc and BB are the best kingdoms currently but now in ages neither have had a chance to fight fairly... if anyone says why not it's because these 3 are not the only kingdoms playing the game. y all means if they want an even war set one up OOP where there is no deciding factors such as pump time to say whom had more time). I don't think anyone can take away from AMA how well they played but it is not Havoc's fault they played differently and was in a position to beat both AMA/Pyro. As everyone says, we all start the same and at 400 acres. From start to finish, we all have the ability to play in the same/different styles to get from A to B.
Also Elit you are correct in saying that Havoc was in best position to crown and they would have done most likely. But as we had to now action this deal break we do not want this crown to be remembered as "Havoc only won as they GBed AMA". You/Pyro have both noted now Havoc would of won but it is via your own actions that Pyro now receives a chance to crown, a chance Havoc proposed to wrong this right and to give some credibility back to this crown race.
These grudges need to stop. All of the top kingdoms are an embarrassment.
If you think you can GB us like this and i will forget it you are wrong. Don't matter when but i will pay back it really hard all kds involved. Rage/Havoc/Pyro did ****s all age and now pretend to be moral and bring justice with this GB.Quote:
Originally Posted by American Badass
Havoc actually came to Rage/Pyro/Pew for help and the negotiations were going nowhere. Me and xxx from havoc got them back on track so Elit, if you want to blame someone from Rage for this blame me. Drixx also though believes what you did was not correct but I was the one whom got negotiations rolling again.Quote:
Originally Posted by guard14n
I look forward to your retaliation in age 66 :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Elit
As long as you do it within what is fair then there is no problem. If you create a 2v1, hit into a war, break a cf, expect retaliation like the same you are getting here. That goes for everyone too not just from your kingdom. That is not just from RPP either, it has been agreed upon by the current GB members. We'd appreciate AMA on board so that if it is Rage that plays **** you can help in a GB vs us. Just like you, I'd accept and await a GB if we play dirty, hence why we will play by the book and we'd appreciate everyone does.
You can b2b2b2b2b2b2b2b2b2b2b war us as long as you do so by not bending the rules.
To quote PS who is no longer with us :
[23:42] <PS> ud be stupid to be the only one playing by the rules when everyone eelse is making them up as they go along
We don't want to be sheep and play dirty to crown. We'd rather crown legit and have people congratulate us than to say we achieved it via bad play.
Im sure you are, because it took you 5 ages to revenge what you call havoc that is CR now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elit
So this means all deals with you is void forever?
Might as well GB you every age if you dont intend to play fair in the top and never had intentions of doing so. You are digging your own grave.
First I am glad you admit your own kd is embarrassment though I wouldn't call it a "top" kd. Your interpretation of events is completely wrong, having actually *played* in AMA I know for a fact we had good relations with havoc due to elit-zauper relationship. Why would havoc otherwise get a Y9 cf from us? This would have never happened if havoc played fair, agreed to original extension we proposed and zauper said they want to accept (after it was derailed by n00b council) and we would have fair war vs. Pyro with ~10% chance to beat Havoc after. When you are #1 kd with massive advantages from pumping all age, especially when pump was made possible with cf from AMA given in good will (havoc got cf for free they did not force it on us) least toucan do is give someone a fair chance rather than seek to erridicate them and give no chances whatsoever. There were ~4 weeks left in age, Havoc could have easily agreed to war AMA 2 weeks before eoa but no they wanted to do everything they can to make sure they war us NOW, especially after the razes happened. To me this is lack of confidence in your own ability and trying hardest to make sure you get all advantages (as if you don't have enough already). These actions only came about from Havoc's greed, disrespect, 2v1 threats, and ****play...if they kept the kd on the path which zauper set it on there would be no issues and fair 1v1 fight eoa. But when you 2v1 in past and then when your main leader leaves you act as same ghetto you once were, then this is what happens.Quote:
Originally Posted by American Badass
Also AB you talk about fairness right. Lets examine your own alliance and diplo play this age. You full know there are 6 kingdoms in range, about 3 of them with potential to crown.
How is it fair when 3 kingdoms make an eoa nap and the 4th kd cf them for 10 WEEKS! You realize this is completely unfair to the remaining two kingdoms. What this means is majority of 4 kds will get to put up cows, pump on 30% draft all age, and farm ghettos without retaliation. Whereas the two kingdoms on the outside of your little nap ring have to go through b2b2b wars and get vultured as AMA has done this age.
If you guys want to promote fairness why don't you dissolve your alliance next age, you are competing for crown and trying to prove you guys are good...where is the skill in ganging up on 1-2 kingdoms, putting them through b2b fights, and seeing who can farm ghettos the best? If you guys are good why don't you win crown without allies, or make it to #1 without allies. Alliances are fine when there is an equally balanced (or close to equally balanced) opposing force such as Abs-vs-Non Abs. Abs was the strongest alliance but non-Abs won several ages as well and did good (flogger's wins).
Seriously having your alliance around only says one thing to me that you guys are not good enough to beat kingdoms like AMA 1v1 and need alliance as an insurance policy (the events of this age have proven this).
You realize that this is Pyro's first time trying for crown right? You're making it seem their doing an absolutely terrible job at it. Considering how lame this thread is getting, I think they are doing a decent job at handling all this garbage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Proteus
I would almost argue that winning a crown now is harder. Warring, whoring, avoiding ****play for an entire round? Seems hard to do. If your so good at it, why would you be in the situation that you were in? I feel experienced players wouldn't have 2 cf's with 2 opponents end on the same date. Then from the result of terrible cf management, get backed into a corner. Seems like a ghetto move to me. Maybe you should just retire. Game isn't like it used to be, and you suck at current game.
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Originally Posted by Anri
I cant stop imagining your KD like the kid brought to a safari by his parents(rest of the GBing kds). And you keep throwing rocks at all the dangerous animals knowing you are perfectly safe in your jeep.
If AMA had not backstabbed thier allies that would not be a big issues thou, just saying, you choose to be loners, not even BB takes your stance.
Think about it. Is it them or is it you that make it this unbalanced?
So you think winning a crown when there are 3 "top" level kingdoms left in the game compared to 10+ kingdoms is harder? This entire age pyro had help from the n00b alliance with 3 way nap and 10 week cf with havoc while AMA played ALONE, beat the n00b alliance kds back to back from bad positions and still was in much better position than pyro majority of age up until razes came from ex-mercy/havoc player in ghetto. Where is the logic here?Quote:
Originally Posted by wickedfail
So I am guessing if pyro wins a crown 3 ages later when there are 2 kingdoms competing for #1 only it will still be as hard as even 1 year ago when the game was much more competitive?
You are really talking out of your butt because there is nothing wrong with having cfs end on same date with multiple kingdoms and it has happened before and people hyave used it strategically to their advantage. The difference now is last few ages you have "warring" kingdoms who used to never be able to reach T5 before until all other good kds disband or take age off (Sanc, hoh, fratzia, etc.) so there is room for anyone to come into top5 if they wish and kds like pewpew come in and "claim" you with dibs and promise to 2v1 if you try to fight anyone but them. No one is entitled to fight someone when your cf ends, the end of a duration cf only means you are entitled to NOTICE nothing more , nothing less.
If suck at current game you mean avoiding ****play from other kds, yes we suck at not being ****played because kingdoms in this current era are just not good enough to beat AMA 1v1 so have to resort to other bull**** to try and win.
Ohh snapQuote:
Originally Posted by Fury
I cant stop imaging you with thick glasses, greasy hair and being a nobody but a puppet for Elit that sitts in a corner most of the time and plays his little chess games. It has left a bad picture in my head so i am gonna get some air and spend some time with my hot wife and forget all about you and utopia. Hasta la vista loser
Before i leave, AMA has three cool dudes i respect, Vindict, Soulhunter and Proteus.
I dont want to upset these three to much!
Wasn't meant as a post against you, Elit. As I stated in previous posts, this age you were actually nice and fair. Upto & until this blatant dealbreak. The logpost was a reply to yet another AMA member foulmouthing PyroManiaCs for "chart shaping" and "stealing crown" with this GB. AMA members need to stop stating that PyroManiaCs is in this GB just to win, when there were clearly other options presented that could have given PyroManiaCs a chance to #1.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elit
PyroManiaCs (AFAIK) don't do backstabbing politics; I wouldn't stand for it and neither would many others in our kingdom. As far as the log you posted is concerned, sure, that's you and cJ trying to make the best of a very bad situation without breaking any CF deals...so?
All in all, sorry for that logpost, but enough with the accusations towards PyroManiaCs because we haven't done anything wrong.
You are farming acres/exploring whilst carrying the flag of justice.Quote:
Originally Posted by faegan
If your so called fair play alliance should succeed there should be no corruption in it, very poor start.
Razing CR? Where did I say that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Proteus
Nope, if you are referring to noteworthy achievements such asQuote:
Originally Posted by Proteus
- threatening other kingdoms to come after them in coming ages because they don't do what you want
- dealbreak CFs
then I guess we're lacking some serious experience.
We've policed a dealbreak, advocate fair play and in the first age trying to compete in land charts, we hold a top three position. That's just about everything we've done this age.
Ok... if we are not a top kd, how can we be an embarrassment? I clearly said all the top kds are so it is one or the other, either a top kd and an embarrassment or just a ghetto. If AMA/Elit had such a good relationship with Havoc why would you dealbreak and ****play them? I am aware Zauper has left but he would of done regardless of the **** going down now. If is still his kingdom and I am going to assume if and when he is back he will take it over again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Proteus
Ok lets think about this and see if you can at least be rational to agree to some aspects to what I am about to say. Last age Rage was quite a bit behind AMA/BB and EJ. We got acres from Pew via a "farm out" mainly because, and you recognised this at the beginning of the thread (I can go dig it up), that we had pumped (We had this on our minds since Pew caught us pants down), we did a home swap pump and went at them in a position to farm them in high drafts. They wouldn't negotiate a deal for acres to CF, they wanted a free extension. Obviously you know how long a home pump strategy takes and how much GC it costs. We was not leaving them until we got at least 20k acres OR a war (we knew we would get less land and science from accepting acres for an extension). Pew would not budge but then all of a sudden we were in a war and they were learning us. We can all agree we would never know what would of happened had they warred properly. We may have got less, we might have got more but we think we would of got at least 30k acres (including WW). Now everyone assumes Rage would of moved on but we wanted to punish them for their actions earlier. Had we felt we'd not gotten our fair share and they tactically withdrew earlier, we would of gone in for MAYBE a round 2. I can't confirm this 100%. Our overall goal was to always war and beat Pew, then get in a position to war EJ afterwards as we saw them as being the weakest link from AMA/BB. We all know what happened there.
So why am I telling you all of this? It is because the events that followed that we created the alliance. We ere not to know that EJ would screw over AMA and BB. We assumed that the three would be in an alliance for a while. Just like aabs was formed to counter ABs, our alliance was created to counter ABJ.
To say we were blocking is quite hypocritical of you considering how many crowns ABs/HOH achieved by blocking for each other.
It is also laughable you saying that having the allies is because we are bad. I am not implying here AMA is bad but AMA is allied to one of the best kingdoms (BB) in the game... Come to the negotiation table Proteus and agree to some common rules so we are all clear on what is acceptable and not and we would be glad to dissolve the alliance if all members in the top could agree to freeze all actions to GB a kingdom should they fall out of line and play dirty. If we dissolved I'd also assume we would see BB vs AMA in the future.
"Seriously having your alliance around only says one thing to me that you guys are not good enough to beat kingdoms like AMA 1v1 and need alliance as an insurance policy (the events of this age have proven this)."
Maybe so, but surely AMA should enjoy 2 easy WW a round? =)
Anri, dont worry about your deals with us incoming ages. Simple dont expect any deal from me :P
you nonstop deal break us.
1. Exploring: was actually postponed due to this whole thing, and was now done at what? Feb 1st? Can't rememberQuote:
Originally Posted by Fury
2. Farming acres: read posts --> everyone knows what will happen once AMA backs out of crown race and promisses not to interfere
Cut logs and post is no cool. People cant understand something very simple: All this was done because Havoc pissed us off for noting just to secure what they have secured. WE was perfect fine with Havoc win age and was ready to war Pyro and give our best. All what we wanted is FAIR war. But again rest kds decide to not let us get fair chances for war/after war and put ****s. So why i need to waste my time and war after it? Sorry but this is one hell lame age all age for us. All what we did is result from how rest acted to us. Every one have his limits.Quote:
Originally Posted by faegan
How does it feel to be cornered ? Not good I guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elit
When you try making up your own rules for everyone else to play, and your own rules for what is ok and not, this is what happens.
Why didn't you just hand over the acres as you have advocated for. Why not take the beating if you re so fair and honorable ?
You and Proteus are real dealbreakers, but the thing is, you don't call it dealbreaking, you call it justice.
Too bad other people feel justice is something else, too bad for you :/
So much QQ. I wonder when we'll have 100 pages.