Simians Vs Sanc, HoH or Rage

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Originally Posted by Anri

I knew this could happen, i was not entirely sure they would do it.

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I think me telling you we would do it should have been a giveaway.

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Originally Posted by DHaran

This is exactly my point. You will wait for Sanc to go hostile with another kingdom, and you will wave into it.

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Does that mean we will get a war???

This sounds like an amazingly good plan. Lets do it.

YES!!!! More WARS!

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Originally Posted by Anri

Sanc is not a poor little kd that cant defend themselfs and they have some of the strongest kds on the server. No need for small forum trolls to save them and be abs little dogs. We r not the whiners. They are cause they know we mean bussiness and nothing gonna stop us.

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Small trolls are enough to let you know what happens when people talk the way you and calle talk. KD's disband!

But you look in top ten and you see ghetto cats they don't love abs but they would likely back abs in this conflict over simians. Despite a bunch of ex KLA players in my kd there is no way we would back you in this, attempting to do so would likely result in a disband for us.

Then you have mercy/sanctuary/rage/hoh. All would be true to abs 100%. Most warring KD's like abs well enough and in past they have helped abs over the aggressor. I can't imagine it would be any different. But I love a good awar more then anything.

So anri go make amends with flogger, promise not to run terrible race setup next age, and then lets see you get this thing started. Heck it worked out for cheese didn't he end up in absalom some time after?

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Originally Posted by jdorje

Even though I told you we'd wave when you left fortified? Since you had to leave fortified anyway, why not give us a few minutes to wave then? Why make 7 quick hits (which does not give button btw) and try to sneak away before we can wave, when you know we're going to wave within minutes anyway?

It just makes no sense to me. You didn't have to notice us. You didn't have to be in fortified after the notice you gave expired. You didn't have to wave someone else after I informed you we were about to wave you, and dare us to wave anyway. You didn't have to continue your wave and give the button after we resumed ours. All of those were your choices, and they didn't work out very well.

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So lets sum up:
1) Simians 'dibs' HoH
2) Sanc 'dibs' Simians

By the posts I read from you, option 2 seems valid but option 1 isnt? Lol. Hypocrisy much? :p
Giving notice to a kingdom or telling you wave a kingdom doesn't claim them for you. They are free to do whatever they want, and if Simians hits HoH 7x that's considered a hostile.

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Originally Posted by goodz

They hit their bank first. You can only do so much into a KD in fortified. But they made their intentions clear, Anri tried to run.

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There is no such thing as claiming dibs = hostile. A single hit doesn't constitute a hostile, neither does a dragon.
Perhaps Anri 'ran', but that doesn't really allow Sanc to double Simians even if they landed the first hit. Sanc had their chance for over an hour, and hitting into fortified isn't actually as bad as people display it.

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Originally Posted by goodz

I 100% believe that if he had waved sanctuary HoH would not have touched him.

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If they're indeed intending to improve their rep then I also doubt HoH would interfere with Sanc/Simians.

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Originally Posted by goodz

Sometimes you have got to say we rolled the dice, which giving notice to 3 at once was. Renegotiating CF's with 2 of them so they could go back to dicing was there best bet. Otherwise they needed to make absolutely sure with the other parties that they would not be waving them.

If simians wanted to war hoh and then war sanctuary as this was "obvious" They should have noticed HoH. Warred HoH. Then noticed sanctuary.

Like I said right at start the break cf with all 3 does slow them all and you can see the logic, but it gives abs the right to choose who wars you. You tried to give notice to all 3 and pick your target. Too much cake for one monkey imo!

@tak3shi even abs leaders say HoH is in abs :P

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I think everyone mutually agrees the tripple notice was stupid :)

And if Sanc really wanted to fight Simians, they had an opportunity for it. They didn't take it which allowed Simians to choose their own target. Despite Simians stupid notices, you can't claim what Sanc did was morally and honorably legit. You can only claim a kingdom by waving them, not by doing 1 hit. (Otherwise you end up with KD A hitting KD X once, then KD B hits KD X once and both KDA + KDB can wave KDX because they claim dibs due to one hit, that'll just create more situations like this)

prot, relax!

7 Hits is no more hostile than 1 hit if all we care about is button.

Simians calling dibs on HoH is no more valid than Sanc calling it on them.

Anri made mistake, they should have full waved HoH or hit Sanc after they engaged them. Semantics is usefull for flame wars on forums but dont protect your ass ingame.

I still dont see why are ppl going emo over multiple notices tho.

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Originally Posted by Drixx

Anri, as someone who has had good conversations and relations with you in the past, I hope I can say this to you here and you will understand I'm speaking out of genuine respect and hoping it will be helpful. Some ages ago, either during my last age co-monarching Trinity with Alien or it may have been my first age co-monarching Fury (the age we didn't tag and people still called us Grace), we had a similar situation happen to us. Prot gave us notice that would expire a couple hours after our planned wave time. ASF told us to cancel our wave and prep for Prot's kd, but we decided to go ahead with our wave and we gave the button and told Prot to wait, which he did not do. He waved us with our armies out.

Was that a double hostile? We thought so ... but we put ourselves in that position. We knew that Prot intended to wave us and wanted to war us, and we waved someone else.

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PM me on IRC and show me logs/papers from that. The first time I ever spoke to you, was when you hit our cow into hostile. We had been hostile with DoA for some time, which was agreed to be CFed. That was not CFed ingame, and thus not yet finished. We hit Simians 3x, they retalled and more hits where coming.
Fury hits our cow. I showed you all the info you needed to prove our hostility and you apologied for it. I wanted those acres back, and the best you offered me, was handing those 175 acres from one or 2 of your core provinces onto my core. You REFUSED to refund those acres to our cow; which at the time was a big deal since it was early age.
You refused to be reasonable over it and I told you, you'd pay for that.
Then a few weeks later, March YR5, your war had just ended. We noticed and as we had nothing to do, we razed your cow.

March 2 of YR5 Count SmackuLOL (##:##) invaded 13- FZwhLZkc8YQ - F (##:##) and razed 1,043 acres of land
March 15 of YR5 Count SmackuLOL (##:##) invaded 13- FZwhLZkc8YQ - F (##:##) and razed 991 acres of land.

You left EOW CF later that day:
March 23 of YR5 We have ordered an early end to the post-war period with Minstrel- lolabit enteusiastic (##:##).

We didn't expect you to come out early, but as soon as we noticed we waved you.

I dont know if this is the same situation you're referring to, but this was the first chat I ever had with you and that age was also the only wave we did on Fury.

/me comes in and LHAO @ Simians
/me parts

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Originally Posted by Drixx

[...] Was that a double hostile? We thought so ... but we put ourselves in that position. We knew that Prot intended to wave us and wanted to war us, and we waved someone else.[...]

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+1 that
you thought you could be smart in playing 3 kd's
you got out-maneuvered
**** happens

woah... after years of being farmed, HoH might've just created a new record for the most amount of acres farmed in a war!

talk about a 180!!

congrats on crown as well... well played...

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Originally Posted by Drixx

Sanctuary was already invested in the fight though and did what they said they would do, and waved you.

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Afaik that hit wasn't risky as their cow was unbreakable after the hit. And even if not, it could have been a bait hit so their 2nd cow could perhaps doubletap. A 2 banks vs 1 bank situation isn't really 'risky' for the 2 banks since you'll always win assuming all 3 are trained.