CR vs AMA

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Originally Posted by Band of Horses

No offense but was this intentionally Elitish?

From what I can make of your statements you think AMA is going to need more allies next age to handle the grudge they just made with CR. I don't think this is the case. I think it is more of a situation like Pew vs AMA. And remember everyone starts at 400 acres, on even ground AMA doesn't lose. So if CR gives loc early like they did this age, it is going to happen before anyone can have an edge. CR doesn't have allies to build into the grudge so why does AMA need allies for this.

If AMA and CR both drop from the crown race I don't think this has lasting impact as far as CFs go. I think if AMA stays at the top and no one actions, it might. But people have short memories in this game. So I guess I agree with Flogger, this is getting blown out of proportion as far as lasting impact goes.

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I dont think they'll handle things well next age even if they tag late. The whole point is "everyone who is upperhanded will take AMA next round and wont think twice". This kind of situation just wont matter this time, it will take effect forever. BAD KARMA (what goes around comes around). I do love AMA, they beat most of the TOP KD. Was saddened when they did thing like this.

Good luck have fun to all til EoA.

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Originally Posted by Runefire

Ask yourself why 4 KD's did not want to CF you at all. Maybe that might answer your question about not getting a fair shot.

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Its not 4 kds didn't want to cf us, its 4 kds used each other for slow/down us.
We CFed Havoc last age when zauper was in charge and both kds had good relation.
Rage cfed us when its become clear we are going to wave them next 24h if we don't cf.
Pyro Cfed us after we won vs Pew Pew and become danger for them alone block us more.
Havoc decide to not extend cf us and call dibs after Simians farmed out and our cows get razed same time. You can say its "smart" move but its lame move. Same going for what we did in return.

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Originally Posted by TommyB

..and then a non-top kingdom comes along and steals the crown (SWEA) :p

I just remembered an old quote about utopia, think it was on the login page once?


I find it hilarious that people actually try to pretend that deals made between kingdoms should somehow be higher and more valuable than everything else in the game, including winning. And then go on to call this "good sportsmanship".

If this kind of thing happens in real sports, clubs making deals to determine the winner of a competition in advance, it's a big scandal and for good reasons. But somehow now in utopia it's not only OK but more and more the only way to go - up to and including an angry mob to destroy everyone threatening the sanctity of making a deal.

Protection for war win, acres for war win, acres for science, ... you name it and it's probably been done a couple of hundred time during the last couple ages.

Deals are fine as they are, as long a both parties get something out of it. So for example in utopia it's often "we'll stop hitting you if you do A,B and C". Basically making a vassal out of a previously independent kingdom. However, this kind of deal only works for as long as the vassal kingdom has to be afraid of retaliation. If you overextend and do this thing to a lot of kingdoms, they might realize that you cannot punish them all at once and you have a revolution on your hands.

This is the nature of deals. They are made between individual kingdoms in a specific situation. If you are the stronger party you can force a **** deal on the other kingdom but they will always look for ways to get around that from then on. Wiser rulers might realize this and offer better deals which are more stable.

In short, I see nothing that would put breaking a deal on the same level as 2vs1 or hitting into another conflict. It's an action between two kingdoms in a war game that could, but doesn't have to, lead to a war between them. Nothing more, nothing less.

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Say what you can say for now when its not you who is the target. Im not playing at CR but everyone can see it very clearly that it was never good to cheat.

Just like when your gf tells you that after a year she will surely accept you as her husband but in the 11month she already cheated on you with another man. What will you feel? Feel Happy? hahaha thats the easiet way for you to understand. That deals should not be broken, it can be mend but not the other way. Thats why it sucks to wait and lose everything.

Its good to know everybody else are allowed to cf your kingdom and break it whenever they see fit in the future.

GL with that.

love the drama.
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Originally Posted by MaRCoRoXoR

I dont think they'll handle things well next age even if they tag late. The whole point is "everyone who is upperhanded will take AMA next round and wont think twice". This kind of situation just wont matter this time, it will take effect forever. BAD KARMA (what goes around comes around). I do love AMA, they beat most of the TOP KD. Was saddened when they did thing like this.

Good luck have fun to all til EoA.

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There aren't enough good kds left to upperhand AMA. RBL tried, Pew Pew tried. CR was going to be the first but only because they were that far ahead after the simians farm out. I see both sides to this and only AMA is admitting that both sides were bad mannered.

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Originally Posted by MaRCoRoXoR

Just like when your gf tells you that after a year she will surely accept you as her husband but in the 11month she already cheated on you with another man. What will you feel? Feel Happy?

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It would take some time but then I'd feel happy that I didn't make the biggest mistake of my life and marry that b....

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Originally Posted by Folle

Its good to know everybody else are allowed to cf your kingdom and break it whenever they see fit in the future.

GL with that.

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Everybody is already taking that option into consideration and if they decide to keep the deal it's because they see some kind of advantage in that. Either because my kd could still become a threat in the current age or to avoid retaliation in the coming ages. Or maybe because they are afraid that utopia forums QQ would damage their reputation.. regardless it's something my kd would have to deal with on it's own one way or another. Which is why it's so hilarious when the biggest kd on the server for 80% of the age goes "Oh my god we're completely helpless because we had to keep minimum draft and pump build while powerplaying our biggest rival to war us. Now we need the entire server to GB these villans to make up for our mistakes."

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Originally Posted by Elit

Regret for what? Every age we play fair and honorable and every age we get insane ****s. We got double hostile/ deal break/ GB /farm out/razes from ghetto friends past few ages from different kds just to stop us from win. For what need to regret? Look like only way to scare ppl now is to show them we can be lame like them.
Im not embarrassed too. Was away for 14 days and 2h late for wave date. Decision for wave was taken after vote pool from kd. Its not my solo decisions.

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All of them actions are due to what you brought upon yourself. Why does this not constantly happen to others all what you mentioned?

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Originally Posted by Elit

Its not 4 kds didn't want to cf us, its 4 kds used each other for slow/down us.
We CFed Havoc last age when zauper was in charge and both kds had good relation.
Rage cfed us when its become clear we are going to wave them next 24h if we don't cf.
Pyro Cfed us after we won vs Pew Pew and become danger for them alone block us more.
Havoc decide to not extend cf us and call dibs after Simians farmed out and our cows get razed same time. You can say its "smart" move but its lame move. Same going for what we did in return.

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ROFL, how f#%king pathetic are you? At least be a man and admit that what you and your KD did was pure ****play and dont try to whine and somehow claim that you did were even remotely morally justified.

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Originally Posted by Band of Horses

There aren't enough good kds left to upperhand AMA. RBL tried, Pew Pew tried. CR was going to be the first but only because they were that far ahead after the simians farm out. I see both sides to this and only AMA is admitting that both sides were bad mannered.

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A SKD is not always the same every age. Things change as well as the playstyle. Everyone who tried beating AMA will someday get it :) Champions didnt win it all ^^

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Originally Posted by TommyB

It would take some time but then I'd feel happy that I didn't make the biggest mistake of my life and marry that b....



Everybody is already taking that option into consideration and if they decide to keep the deal it's because they see some kind of advantage in that. Either because my kd could still become a threat in the current age or to avoid retaliation in the coming ages. Or maybe because they are afraid that utopia forums QQ would damage their reputation.. regardless it's something my kd would have to deal with on it's own one way or another. Which is why it's so hilarious when the biggest kd on the server for 80% of the age goes "Oh my god we're completely helpless because we had to keep minimum draft and pump build while powerplaying our biggest rival to war us. Now we need the entire server to GB these villans to make up for our mistakes."

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She cheated with your father. Dealbreaker! is good? How is it going to be fine? The thing is! Dealbreaking is cheating. Cheaters always lose in the end. Not this round, in the end. Backstabbers wont get any honor, they get something its not worthful. As ive said and ill say it again, I dont have against AMA or any KD, what most people didnt like is they dont need to pretend like nothing wrong happened. They ****ed up everything. There should be a blockbuster war going on now. And they ruin it :(

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Originally Posted by Tedurur

ROFL, how f#%king pathetic are you? At least be a man and admit that what you and your KD did was pure ****play and dont try to whine and somehow claim that you did were even remotely morally justified.

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Guys do you read what Elit said? He admitted in every post that it is a ****play! Stop the repeat mode and think :).

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Originally Posted by Soul_Hunter

Guys do you read what Elit said? He admitted in every post that it is a ****play! Stop the repeat mode and think :).

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No he didnt, he is still trying to justify it with all his "oh we were bullied, poor us bwawawaw" That is frankly pathetic. AMA were outplayed and decided to take the low road instead of honoring a diplomatic deal with a KD they claimed to have good relations with. Thats all there is to it.

Well he did admit what they did was lame..

Anyhow I don't like Ama, but they are pretty much like any other kd that does things that they can get away with.

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Originally Posted by Tedurur

No he didnt, he is still trying to justify it with all his "oh we were bullied, poor us bwawawaw" That is frankly pathetic. AMA were outplayed and decided to take the low road instead of honoring a diplomatic deal with a KD they claimed to have good relations with. Thats all there is to it.

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Word!