CR vs AMA

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Originally Posted by Tedurur

No he didnt, he is still trying to justify it with all his "oh we were bullied, poor us bwawawaw" That is frankly pathetic. AMA were outplayed and decided to take the low road instead of honoring a diplomatic deal with a KD they claimed to have good relations with. Thats all there is to it.

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lol
how exactly is ama outplayed? ama won all war vs competitors. ama has no support no alliance no nothing :)
this wave is not a big issue for havoc. before taxing simians they were 155k acres big, now they are 148k. ama simply removed the tax acres. havoc can declare and war ama - they still have superior sci, t/m, resorces. if you give notice you should expect wave, if you powwerplay and promise 2vs1 you should expect same. ama is not nice kd anymore. kids with big egos understand only the suckerpunch diplomacy. the main problem is that Elit was too nice with all of you for too long, but if you leave the kids with no control they will sit at your head. AMA is spanking the naughty kid asses now, and the whinning comes

I find it hilarious that when AMA was big and bullying kds like PewPew into engaging them on their terms, they threw around the "all start at 400 acres" or "learn how to play the whoring game". Then when AMA got outplayed in the diplomacy/CF department and were forced to engage a bigger kd they just went and dealbroke CR. Priceless.

Now I guess we can just add "being outplayed" to the list of valid reasons to dealbreak =)

Go Havoc - war us! U have more gold, more sci, more t/m. We have nothing - no sci, no t/m, no money and no real army - only naked land. Why are u so chicken to attack us :S

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Originally Posted by Shai

I find it hilarious that when AMA was big and bullying kds like PewPew into engaging them on their terms, they threw around the "all start at 400 acres" or "learn how to play the whoring game". Then when AMA got outplayed in the diplomacy/CF department and were forced to engage a bigger kd they just went and dealbroke CR. Priceless.

Now I guess we can just add "being outplayed" to the list of valid reasons to dealbreak =)

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ama never said that they wont war havoc or want to avoid havoc. ama never wanted eoa cf with havoc. even with zauper ama discussed only abt a week extention, thats it. ama doesnt run, but wanted to war pyro 1st. havoc were stupid enough not only to bully ama and threat them that they will 2vs1, but also taxed simians so they can be 185k vs 155k. 9 weeks pump was not enough for havoc to engage ama in equal size. no, they needed 15% size advantage too :) this is utter insolence and stupidity. If they were smart enough to give extention to ama untill yr10 (1 week more) AMA would've been unable to run when the CF expires. but havoc leadership are very weak and now they suffer. havoc learned that you shouldnt try bullying someone who can actually f*ck you, its not like bullying all small ghettos for the previous 8 weeks :)

AMA should probably be GBd.

Their excuses are silly since they were offered what they wanted and declined it.

The honest truth? They didn't see another path that gave them a shot at the crown, because of the ghetto razing their cows, and so they decided to blame someone and screw over their age.

I'm embarrassed for you, Elit. You've always had more class than this. Kdvote doesn't mean you have to follow it, or respect/defend it.

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Originally Posted by MaRCoRoXoR

She cheated with your father. Dealbreaker! is good? How is it going to be fine? The thing is!

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WTF. Does it always look like this when you try to argue a point?

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Dealbreaking is cheating.

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Deal-break is deal-break and cheating is cheating. It's not hard to understand the difference but maybe you should go out and get some fresh air before posting again.

One kingdom gets issued **** options by another kingdom, so decided to take their own option. You can't come out and brag like 12 year olds with the best pog stack and threaten to gang up and 2v1 (or hit into a war), THEN appear surprised they won't accept the ****.

If it's a ceasefire and you have favourable relations then behave that way. Don't be arrogant and talk big if your kingdom is not ready for war. There is no right to #1 spot.

poor form - either win being honest or dont play.

*popcorn*

Good thread. Disappointed at Havoc/CR forum warring so far.

You can expect action from a Kingdom once a CF expires, until then, you should have the right to run your kingdom to its best production.

How AMA is going to strike a deal in the future will be interesting...

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Originally Posted by fuzzy|

poor form - either win being honest or dont play.

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+1. For once I agree with you bro. This is a sad day indeed, when even the best KD's like AMA resort to playing in such low and despicable ways. To see Proteus in here defending it is just funny, he really can never get his story straight on what is up/down or left/right. Guess it depends which side of the bed he wakes up on in the morning.

Elit: We have our differences but I think you are a smart player and leader and AMA is the KD to beat to prove a KD is "top " IMHO. You should take pride in that and lead by example and provide examples to others. To turn around and say being a child molester is OK because other people have done it and you want to show them how lame it is? Sounds more just like an excuse to have sex with a kid, just saying. That is basically the same logic you are using to reinforce and yet again set a piss poor precedent on more increased dealbreaking, ****playing, and just general drama that is childish and stupid. What is the point of any of us playing this game anymore if it is just a matter of who waits to be randomly ****ed over by who. You claimed all this moral high ground last Age when you wanted to step in and action Rage now you like I said always spin the story when you or an ally is able to exploit it.

This is same reason EJ screwed you over, because they knew your greed knows no limits would blind you. As did Pew Pew and SWEA did. For being such an intelligent person and great chess player I am amazed that you continually fall for these things then act like somehow you are surprised on the outcome.

That being said I do think CR basically instigated AMA to wave them. IMHO the community should've acted like when I said prior that CR making this thread and giving notice of a notice was a deal-break in itself. So both Havoc and AMA should in all honestly both be removed and penalized as the top has previously agreed that things like lying, going back on you word, and farming a KD is against the rules. If community seriously allows this to continue we should honestly just all delete. The Age pretty much comes down to who is willing to be the biggest lying douche-bag asshole and is all about paying people back and not having fun. Just like AMA cries foul now about RBL/PP/PR alliance but was fine being allied with BB/EJ last Age and doing the exact same thing. Nothing is wrong even with alliance they have always existed its when you deal-break, GB without justification, or cheat (ie release to steal from allies, land-drop allies, etc).

We will see how things unfold...

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Originally Posted by Dark Knight

You can expect action from a Kingdom once a CF expires, until then, you should have the right to run your kingdom to its best production.

How AMA is going to strike a deal in the future will be interesting...

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Future ... Deal ... AMA ...

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Originally Posted by PhoenixScorpion

That being said I do think CR basically instigated AMA to wave them. IMHO the community should've acted like when I said prior that CR making this thread and giving notice of a notice was a deal-break in itself.

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So if a kingdom says they wont renegotiate a CF before a CF ends, is that a deal break?

It sounds like AMA had an opportunity to make a deal that would allow them to war Pyro without interference, but they did not make one. Instead they chose to break a CF and wave Havoc.

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Originally Posted by Vivic

lol
how exactly is ama outplayed? ama won all war vs competitors. ama has no support no alliance no nothing :)
this wave is not a big issue for havoc. before taxing simians they were 155k acres big, now they are 148k. ama simply removed the tax acres. havoc can declare and war ama - they still have superior sci, t/m, resorces. if you give notice you should expect wave, if you powwerplay and promise 2vs1 you should expect same. ama is not nice kd anymore. kids with big egos understand only the suckerpunch diplomacy. the main problem is that Elit was too nice with all of you for too long, but if you leave the kids with no control they will sit at your head. AMA is spanking the naughty kid asses now, and the whinning comes

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How exactly was AMA outplayed? Are you seriously asking that? Really?? Let me ask you this, if they werent outplayed by CR then why would they resort to dealbreaking a KD that they claim to have "good " relations with?

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Originally Posted by Runefire

So if a kingdom says they wont renegotiate a CF before a CF ends, is that a deal break?

It sounds like AMA had an opportunity to make a deal that would allow them to war Pyro without interference, but they did not make one. Instead they chose to break a CF and wave Havoc.

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Saying you wont extend CF is not same as noticing someone in violation of your terms. CR clearly deal-broke by giving notice before their deal allowed it. Positioning it as a cute thread and bragging about it just added insult to injury and pretty much assured AMA would do something. Funny I called this right after CR made this thread and said would be followed by more of the same.

What AMA should have done is went to community and our alliance and asked for action on CR instead of being even more lame and moving to the same types actions themselves. Then they would instead have crowned and had full support of the community, while also setting an example of fairplay. Sadly, they chose blind greed over any shred of dignity or self respect. Seems that is prevalent in Utopia now.