Debauchery...

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Originally Posted by DHaran

It has nothing to do with who we like or don't like, it has to do with following the rules. War interference is policed by the players because it isn't against the rules, mechanic abuse is policed by Support because it is. Are you not able to understand the issue with this "mutual benefit" crap? If you guys had it your way, it would be legal for a warring kingdom and land kingdom to war all age trading acres for wins so both win their respective crowns. Can we try using a little common sense please?

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im totally fine with that

but dont use the 'strategy' argument when all these examples are strategies just some are acceptable and some are not.

strategy =/= right or wrong
and trying to justify it based on this

The word strategy applies to things that follow the rules, not rule violations. Your accusation that there is some form of bias at work is unfounded and ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by DHaran

The word strategy applies to things that follow the rules, not rule violations. Your accusation that there is some form of bias at work is unfounded and ridiculous.

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lets forget the fake warring example. because it violates 'rules'.

now the mods have thrown Debauchery under the bus for stealing in eowcf. Read back if need be and in that ED thread. Is this not a form of strategy?

Stealing from war status is not against the rules, Support took no action against Debauchery for that. The community frowns upon it and is taking action against Debauchery, these are unrelated issues. It's a strategy to steal from war status and a strategy to raze them for it.

Someone's butt still hurts...
Actions taken against debauchery has nothing to do with mods feelings, mods feelings for debauchery doesn't matter cause they are players like you.

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Originally Posted by DHaran

Stealing from war status is not against the rules, Support took no action against Debauchery for that. The community frowns upon it and is taking action against Debauchery, these are unrelated issues. It's a strategy to steal from war status and a strategy to raze them for it.

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hence my point

Bishop is trying to justify bottom feeding on strategy, yet is unwilling to justify stealing in eowcf on strategy. I.e. throws Dehauchery under the bus for exactly the same thing, strategy.

and to the last poster. They can do as they please. Im only pointing out hypocrisy by mods. This does not mean they are not allowed to have to have a bias or not.
Im merely giving observations.

p.s. lol @ butthurt, nice try

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Originally Posted by alan03

hence my point

Bishop is trying to justify bottom feeding on strategy, yet is unwilling to justify stealing in eowcf on strategy. I.e. throws Dehauchery under the bus for exactly the same thing, strategy.

and to the last poster. They can do as they please. Im only pointing out hypocrisy by mods. This does not mean they are not allowed to have to have a bias or not.
Im merely giving observations.

p.s. lol @ butthurt, nice try

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What hypocrisy? You have yet to make a point. Bishop is simply in agreement with the majority of players that taking advantage of kingdoms in war stance is a lame move, and should be handled by the community. I have no idea what non-existent point you are trying to get across. People who complain about bottom feeding are generally poor players who do not use existing protections to their advantage.

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Originally Posted by Bishop

You are misunderstanding this. You are free to hit/op into anyone's war at any time, the game allows it. Similarly, everyone is free to hit/op you when they feel like it. Your mistake is in thinking that hitting/opping will have no consequences further down the line because at the time of your ops/hits the person is not in a position to retaliate.

Personally I am looking forward to killing provinces that opped into my eowcf.

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Originally Posted by Bishop

You are free to consider it over reacting. More people disagree with you though and that's really what counts. If the majority of players agreed that stealing into eowcf was cool then we would all be doing it. Behaviour is only acceptable as long as as the majority agree, or you are in such a position of power as to enforce your standards. Neither is the case here.

In this situation you are taking advantage of a (temporarily) weaker opponent, that is good. You are doing so at such a time that most players agree you should not, this could potentially be bad. The other kingdom can indeed train TPA and protect themselves. That costs a lot of GC though and gimps their income, pop growth, berecovery etc. A more effective way to save GC long term is to raze kill any kingdom that ops into eowcf. The aggressor in this case is sacrificing short term gain for long term success - its a very short sighted strategy.

I'm not sure what penalties you are referring to (i didnt see you ask me a question), but they probably stack as most do.


TLDR: Opping into my eowcf is lame and I will razekill you for it when the situation is reversed.

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Bishop is simply in agreement with the majority of players that taking advantage of kingdoms in war stance is a lame move, and should be handled by the community.

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So its lame to take advantage of people that take advantage of the eow cf benefits? :P I think its lame that people think they should be able to run no thieves, no draft and then get away with it.

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Originally Posted by Korp

So its lame to take advantage of people that take advantage of the eow cf benefits? :P I think its lame that people think they should be able to run no thieves, no draft and then get away with it.

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OOW I mostly agree with you, this whole 0 tpa thing is getting stupid. The only thing I hate is when one side of an upcoming conflict is robbed and it directly affects the outcome of a fight the robbers were not a part of.

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Originally Posted by Korp

So its lame to take advantage of people that take advantage of the eow cf benefits? :P I think its lame that people think they should be able to run no thieves, no draft and then get away with it.

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agreed. I always tell my kdmates to train their thieves right after each war. Due to -75% effectiveness, having 2-3 rtpa will go a long way from deterring any thievery. The income loss is not even comparable to the gcs you could be losing by running no thieves. No need to take risks, just train your thieves ASAP.

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Originally Posted by tamle

agreed. I always tell my kdmates to train their thieves right after each war. Due to -75% effectiveness, having 2-3 rtpa will go a long way from deterring any thievery. The income loss is not even comparable to the gcs you could be losing by running no thieves. No need to take risks, just train your thieves ASAP.

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Didnt Debauchery have like 8 wars and lost their wins on like 2nd may?,considering the age started at 14 feb with oop it officially started at 17 feb so considering each war takes like 2-4 days and with 4 days eowcf and 2 days fort to rebuild= 9.5 daysx8= 76 days in which they are not in normal stance so basically they did eowcf stealing when they ARE either in eowcf and or fort which makes the gains and their tpa severely low,just wondering those who complained eowcf stealing how much tpa they seriously have to have Debauchery to even consider stealing in these kinds of conditions.

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Originally Posted by DHaran

The word strategy applies to things that follow the rules, not rule violations.

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Pro strategy:
Let's hack the game's code delete all the kds right before the age's last tick. Insta-crown. Unbeatable strategy! :D



As DHaran said, strategies apply to things that are within the rules, so no, fakewarring isn't a strategy. Stealing from EoWCFs is a strategy and you're welcomed to try it, but it might come back to haunt you.

I doubt they need much use of fort after every single war though..its a min-time fast war which most probably means min-time hostile period as well..the amount of damage that can be inflicted is also minimal..so 3-4 days of eowcf should be able to cover it fully the minimal lands they get in war and pump them plenty in most cases since they seem to choose more of the honor reward than land..? Ooo and theres the thievery double fort glitch thingy right, read AMA and Sanc butted heads about it awhile ago..So stealing from fort still can be done as well? /shrugs..

and if its only a 24h war max gain marathon..well guess theres an extra mini-'recovery period' during some of the wars as well? :p

Andr3w what kingdom do you play for? I've seen you take such great interest in this thread and Debauchery kingdom recently maybe you can start our fan club?

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Originally Posted by SillyRabbit

Andr3w what kingdom do you play for? I've seen you take such great interest in this thread and Debauchery kingdom recently maybe you can start our fan club?

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hmmm? Im a nobody remember? and I was just expressing my opinion about what anti-fun said anyway, which I just have slight different opinion about o.o and nope sorry, I just read the top few threads and posts in them as well, so I dont have any interest in you or your KD specifically whatsoever, to me your just 'another KD', same as most of other KDs out there :) just pure boredom and trolling as what peeps call it, I guess~

You can try start the club yourself =] about 25 peeps including you will be members ^^ and maybe few more here n there

but 1 thing I dont like about your KD = its the banner..it just looks.....weird, prefer BruceLee's forum disp pict over your banner lol :P