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I got that boom boom pow, these chickens jackin' my style.
Man, I miss all the good tricks.
But, you are not in war... IF you had been in war i think your voodoo theme needs something like thisQuote:
Originally Posted by Elit
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LoL, you sound like a gigolo!Quote:
Originally Posted by Sheister
It would encourage others if the old guard embraced past challenge rather than the merits of being a gigilo. But it must've been fun.
I heard you have a doctorate and are making cash money too. So why haven't you paid Kuhan his $100 yet?Quote:
Originally Posted by Proteus
funny part was you still need to pay kuhan 100 us dollars. get on it.dont make bets your toilet cleaning job cant support.Quote:
Originally Posted by Proteus
No personal attacks
Thanks for link. Im going to use it for banner next time we war ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Anri
Resetting a prov is not abusing a bug and has already been coded around by the devs (making aid a hostile action so cant reset, having a 72 hr protection on reset provs). At best case, you could claim it's a mechanic abuse, but then again, just me playing utopia is a mechanic abuse because I will find every possible way to get an advantage over the worse players. A "mechanic abuse" is what utopia is all about. Devs make changes, we figure out how to best play around it.
Futhermore, Bishop hand picked the key provs in our war and just released their def to 0 intentionally instead of giving them a fighting chance by releasing some offense, some defense -- essentially just to attempt to farm them out to pyro. I wonder how much crying cJ did to get that specific result. Had he released say half offense half defense, they would have still been able to 4x pyro and only 2x in return. Obviously this wasn't enough for pyro to have a chance.
This is a clear overstepping of boundaries by a dev. He basically entrapped us by making the coding change and not informing utopia, and then instead of just laughing at us that we fell for it, he also is attempting to chart shape by giving pyro the best possible chance of winning.
Every kingdom in utopia abuses mechanics. Do you inform Bishop when race X is OP? No. You pick it and own the server. Is it against the spirit of the rules of the game when you get GBP to feed a cow to be UB by 100% of utopia? Based on the very loose definition of spirit of the rules (i.e. whatever Bishop feels like today), YES. The INTENT of GBP is to protect beaten down provs, not exploit it purposely to grow cows. Yet, it's been done. It's never been actioned. And if anyone complained about it, Bishop would say "oh well." I could list off another 100 ways we as a community "abuse the mechanics" in utopia and will never get actioned for it. 2 rounds ago we had a crown winner based on abusing of war mechanics. 3 rounds ago we had a crown winner based on abusing of war mechanics.
They make the changes, we break them. Actioning this is a completely new, terrible precedence. Just because it's happened to a kingdom that is not yours doesn't mean it won't happen to your kingdom in the future. You may think that you have come up with a really slick strategy, but instead of being rewarded, it might not really be a valid strategy according to the utopia police.
Last round, a kingdom complained of people resetting their chained provs in war to have them come back after 24 hrs of protection in great shape. Bishop's response? Get people from outside to raze them.
Wake up, people. This isn't about abusing bugs. This is about Bishop's power trip. He's pissed off that he made a stupid change and people figured out how to break it. If you just want the noobs to play utopia who can't figure this stuff out, just say so. But last I counted, utopia is down to 20 kingdoms with 25 players. You may blame advertising. I blame you.
Current list of punishment for using a tactic that is not a bug abuse and therefore not cheating:
- The entire tactic foiled by a coding change not mentioned in the changelist: our provs arent in functioning state for 5 real days (24 hrs in initial protection + 24 hrs waiting since aid is now a hostile action + 72 hrs for protection on new provs). This should be punishment enough.
- All leaders who reset suspended for 72 hrs
- More military released than what was aided (military paid for with real cash).
- Still negative TB on the provs that got aided
- Total of 7 provs taken out of a war for a measly 8k soldiers
- Loss of 2 reset credits purchased with real money that weren't used how we wanted them to be used. (This should be refunded).
Godly, what you did is clear game abuse and for sure your kd need punish for it. TBH i don't think you got punished enough but its good devs/admins made step in correct direction. Let people cheat and abuse game is way for kill it.
Don't try to look for loophole in system and use it. You can use all your 25 provinces for feed with no reset.
How is it game abuse when the devs already coded the fix for it? Is this attempted game abuse? Furthermore, what strategy is not game abuse? Is game abuse for me to figure out which races/pers are the best? Is it game abuse for me to get GBP on purpose to feed a cow?
I repeat: This is a clear overstepping of boundaries by a dev. He basically entrapped us by making the coding change and not informing utopia, and then instead of just laughing at us that we fell for it, he also is attempting to chart shape by giving pyro the best possible chance of winning. How else do you explain releasing ONLY defense?
You balance mechanics. You don't action their use. This mechanic was already actively and intentionally balanced by making aiding reset your reset timer. It was further balanced by making provs that respawn in war have a 72 hour protection.
Last age show how easy is for abuse 24h protection with reset in war. Its why after BoB/Rusty war its was changed to 72h in war. This age Havoc/RBL show how easy is for abuse it not in war too. Action abuse is first step. After it Devs can look over long term solution or just keep action every time when other KDs massive abuse it again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Godly
Elit, THEY ALREADY DID. The "abuse" was fixed. We fell for it. "Ha ha we fell for it." That should be the end of it. You don't go into people's accounts and start releasing whatever military units you feel like. This is attempted chart shaping by a dev. I bet if we still beat Pyro the dude will be back and say "you didn't suffer enough." I understand that you are biased and will never agree with anything that I say, but coming from a guy who lost a crown to mechanic abuse, how do you view what Legacy/Jerks did 2 rounds ago as NOT mechanics abuse and this as mechanics abuse, when we didn't even get to abuse anything?
The long term solution is making it so aiding resets your reset timer. They already did this. Paired with the 72 hour reset in war it was more than balanced.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elit