Should Proteus pay KuhaN?

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11-04-2013, 08:37
Korp

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Originally Posted by csarmi

Money is serious business. Next time you wanna bet, find a 3rd party that you both trust to hold the money. Simple as that.

I dont understand how you fail to miss this, but a third party was proposed and accepted by both sides. Dont you even read the thread or what is that makes you miss that fact over and over again?
11-04-2013, 08:37
PhoenixScorpion

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Originally Posted by Evillone

Phoenix, didn't bother to read your whole post but a gentlemens wager can just be for bragging rights or a bet of honor/prestige. That definition is correct but it can also be understood to mean that the bet is on your honor. In other words its assuming both people are infact gentleman so they will pay the bet to not dishonor themselves. This is common at places like golf courses where many people might not be carrying around thousands of dollars or have a ATM readily available so being able to put the cash in "escrow" is literally impossible. It's the exact same thing as a gentlemens agreement, some type of agreement made on a hand shake not a contract. The meaning is essentially that the person is putting up their name as collateral, if you welch your name is not worth a damn. Actually I know people who have been kicked out of private golf clubs for stuff like this because they are considered gentlemens clubs and if you prove you are not a gentleman then they don't want ya.

Yes these bets are sealed with a handshake. Please point me to where this "handshake" occurred?

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Originally Posted by Korp

So if ASF is next to impossible to get ahold of why would Proteus suggest him to begin with? That seems odd that Proteus if serious with the bet would suggest someone that is impossible to contact. Like he was trying to escape the bet if someone actually betted against him.

So, he asked and provided for a third party why should KuHan then refuse Proteus and go find another third party?

He could have made that comment off-the-cuff, thinking ASF would be available to mediate. I find it odd that no one, not even observers in the thread offered to mediate the exchange, yet come here to defend something that was never confirmed.

Re-read what KuhaN posted. He tried to contact ASF and was not able to. At that point if he wanted the bet to be taken serious and was serious about an exchange he would have found another third party, or even posted it in this forum long before end of war or a point where MA was in a clear position of winning. Where and when did he post it in this thread during the first day or so of the war?

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Originally Posted by KuhaN

Then why would Proteus even recommend ASF to begin with? You do know the order of events right? Proteus was calling out people to accept a $100 bet on IRC and in forums. I accepted and asked how to make sure there was no foulplay. So he suggested ASF, and I accepted. Why would your monarch suggest someone in his kd to hold money when that person is being sitted? Also, afaik ASF has been active in these forums, i've even seen him reading these threads, he just ignores people when he wishes.

I talked to Proteus over mobile, if the convo was longer i probably wouldve copied it. Didn't think it'd matter over 3 lines of messaging, with Proteus just saying yes and then going afk lol.

You're just defending your friend here, and you have no idea what's going on. I don't even care that much about the money, I just find it funny that you're saying i wasn't serious about it. Maybe you should ask persain and elit for logs to see if i was serious or not.

See above for why he might have suggested ASF. If like you said you suspected foul play to begin with then why expect his KD mate to honor it anymore than Proteus himself? That seems extremely stupid to me and a very poor argument to say the least. After it was clear ASF was unreachable what other steps did you take to ensure the bet? I never said ASf was being sat, I said it possible to not have contact with a KD-mate for 48 hrs. I honeslty have no idea if he has been around or not as I havent seen or spoke to him since near beginning of Age, hell I usually dont even see Proteus unless he is posting on forums. We have busy lives and dont sit online all dy, only when needed.

Im not defending Proteus I am simply statung facts and commonly known information.

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Originally Posted by Evillone

I have a feeling that Phoenix recently spent some time at a casino playing the dollar blackjack table, won enough cash to buy a whopper junior and now considers himself a gambling expert. Just a hint most real serious gamblers do very little of their gambling in places like casinos or other legal venues and they typically operate on a much larger "honor" system. This whole situation is much closer to the back room poker game than it is a casino table so I would toss out everything u think u know about gambling, stop posting and just try and learn something about a culture you obviously know nothing about

Seeing as you know next to nothing about me I would get your foot out of your mouth now. I have no idea where you game, who you gamble with, or what types of gambling you do. But it is RARELY based on an "honor" system when it is done in illegal venues. Go wager shooting dice, at underground fights, etc and try to make a bet without giving someone money. Even when friendly informal gambling like sports pools, poker, etc is done you "buy in" and put you money up before the gambling is done. Just the fact that you make idiotic comments like "most real serious gamblers do very little of their gambling in places like casinos or other legal venues", shows you have no remote idea wtf your talking about as any person who gambles as anything more than a novice knows the opposite.

I love you compare it to a "back room" poker game then avoid fact that you "buy in" in these games before you play, or at very least put your money on the table and throw it in as needed. Yeah I am gonna sit down and let you lose $5k to me and "trust" your going to run to the ATM/Bank and return with my money, if that is even possible based on time of day, etc. Get real n00b.
11-04-2013, 08:43
KuhaN

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Originally Posted by PhoenixScorpion

Yes these bets are sealed with a handshake. Please point me to where this "handshake" occurred?

He could have made that comment off-the-cuff, thinking ASF would be available to mediate. I find it odd that no one, not even observers in the thread offered to mediate the exchange, yet come here to defend something that was never confirmed.

Re-read what KuhaN posted. He tried to contact ASF and was not able to. At that point if he wanted the bet to be taken serious and was serious about an exchange he would have found another third party, or even posted it in this forum long before end of war or a point where MA was in a clear position of winning. Where and when did he post it in this thread during the first day or so of the war?

See above for why he might have suggested ASF. If like you said you suspected foul play to begin with then why expect his KD mate to honor it anymore than Proteus himself? That seems extremely stupid to me and a very poor argument to say the least. After it was clear ASF was unreachable what other steps did you take to ensure the bet? I never said ASf was being sat, I said it possible to not have contact with a KD-mate for 48 hrs. I honeslty have no idea if he has been around or not as I havent seen or spoke to him since near beginning of Age, hell I usually dont even see Proteus unless he is posting on forums. We have busy lives and dont sit online all dy, only when needed.

Im not defending Proteus I am simply statung facts and commonly known information.

Seeing as you know next to nothing about me I would get your foot out of your mouth now. I have no idea where you game, who you gamble with, or what types of gambling you do. But it is RARELY based on an "honor" system when it is done in illegal venues. Go wager shooting dice, at underground fights, etc and try to make a bet without giving someone money. Even when friendly informal gambling like sports pools, poker, etc is done you "buy in" and put you money up before the gambling is done. Just the fact that you make idiotic comments like "most real serious gamblers do very little of their gambling in places like casinos or other legal venues", shows you have no remote idea wtf your talking about as any person who gambles as anything more than a novice knows the opposite.

I love you compare it to a "back room" poker game then avoid fact that you "buy in" in these games before you play, or at very least put your money on the table and throw it in as needed. Yeah I am gonna sit down and let you lose $5k to me and "trust" your going to run to the ATM/Bank and return with my money, if that is even possible based on time of day, etc. Get real n00b.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5epuPMf-7Y
11-04-2013, 08:43
American Badass

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Originally Posted by PhoenixScorpion

flogger, as much as I have respect and love for you , what alternate universe do you live in where people let you bet without placing money first? Anyone who has actually gambled for MONEY, and not just been messing about with friends having fun knows this is the way gambling and a bet works. To claim otherwise is folly and childish. You either put up the money or shut up, bets are not made and real until money is out and on the table. Until then is nothing more than people running their mouths. This is age old in gambling precisely because of these types of disputes and disagreements, but pretty common knowledge to those who actually make wagers with other real gamblers.

As far as the stooges here trying to refer to a gentleman's wager, perhaps you should actually know what your talking about before you go jumping on the bandwagon being an internet troll.

Gentleman's bets are not made with MONEY, they are simply wagers based on prestige and honor. Both of which are sorely lacking from a majority of the trolls here.

Now had Proteus made a wager based on some act of humiliating himself, lets say agreeing to delete his province, go VM for rest of age, or ,posting something, etc that was non-monetary then KuhaN and most of the trolls here would be justified in their position. Since this is not the case and obviously the majority here have never gambled for real with people they do not know and only as informal exchanges with their friends, then stop crying and learn how to place a bet like a man instead of a little boy. Funny KuhaN sure wasn't here begging for a mediator or third-party and only waited until he was assured of winning to pursue it. Highly suspicious when he had every opportunity and been more than enough people actively monitoring this thread to have cemented the bet with a third party. Next time either put up or shut up and stop crying like a baby. Typical Utopian behavior.

I bet you we beat you! - gentlemen bet

I bet you $100 we beat you! - gentlemen bet with $100 wager.

The fact kuhan 'wouldn't of paid' is a **** excuse to not pay. It's invalid as he won. The whole conversation was typed with a lot if witnesses. To me that is proof enough it was a bet.

Btw wasn't the 3rd party in place to ensure kuhan paid? Proteus you lost so what different does it make if you send $100 to asf or kuhan now?
11-04-2013, 08:44
munk

is PhoenixScorpion actually proteus? Sounds like him.
11-04-2013, 08:45
Korp

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He could have made that comment off-the-cuff, thinking ASF would be available to mediate. I find it odd that no one, not even observers in the thread offered to mediate the exchange, yet come here to defend something that was never confirmed.

I find it odd that you dont think Proteus who leads Rage dont have any knowings about his players whereabouts. Well, you come in here defending Proteus like you're his "bro" while not knowing all the facts, whats the difference?
?

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Re-read what KuhaN posted. He tried to contact ASF and was not able to. At that point if he wanted the bet to be taken serious and was serious about an exchange he would have found another third party, or even posted it in this forum long before end of war or a point where MA was in a clear position of winning. Where and when did he post it in this thread during the first day or so of the war?

So, he shall distrust Proteus and go find another third party that Proteus could easily discard cause he knew he was losing the bet?

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Im not defending Proteus I am simply statung facts and commonly known information.

Yea, "He could have made that comment off-the-cuff, thinking ASF would be avaible to mediate" is not really defending Proteus its stating facts right?
11-04-2013, 08:46
PhoenixScorpion

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Originally Posted by American Badass

I bet you we beat you! - gentlemen bet

I bet you $100 we beat you! - gentlemen bet with $100 wager.

The fact kuhan 'wouldn't of paid' is a **** excuse to not pay. It's invalid as he won. The whole conversation was typed with a lot if witnesses. To me that is proof enough it was a bet.

Coming from a Simian, excuse me while I laugh...
11-04-2013, 08:55
American Badass

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Originally Posted by PhoenixScorpion

Coming from a Simian, excuse me while I laugh...

I've been here for less than a month.

Stick on topic and how you kd mate is a disgrace and can not honor simple deals.
11-04-2013, 08:56
csarmi

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Originally Posted by Korp

I dont understand how you fail to miss this, but a third party was proposed and accepted by both sides. Dont you even read the thread or what is that makes you miss that fact over and over again?

I'm not missing the fact at all. Show me logs or messages that indicate that:

- a third party was agreed
- that third party agreed to be the mediator
- that third party confirmed receiving the money and confirmed the bet's conditions
11-04-2013, 09:00
PhoenixScorpion

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Originally Posted by Korp

I find it odd that you dont think Proteus who leads Rage dont have any knowings about his players whereabouts. Well, you come in here defending Proteus like you're his "bro" while not knowing all the facts, whats the difference?
?

So, he shall distrust Proteus and go find another third party that Proteus could easily discard cause he knew he was losing the bet?

Yea, "He could have made that comment off-the-cuff, thinking ASF would be avaible to mediate" is not really defending Proteus its stating facts right?

Korp your an established troll so this will be my last response to you.

Knowing a players whereabouts has nothing to do with what I posted. Caring enough to go trying to locate or make ASF mediate is another matter. Like I said since KuhaN never suggested or even offered another mediator its a moot point on if Proteus would/wouldnt have accepted the deal. Kind of the same as KuhaN saying he would have paid if he lost. Wouldve, shouldve, couldve. So what. I come in here stating facts after reading the BS in the thread. I love how people go off on tangents, deflect, and use red-herrings to support their positions instead of sticking to the logical aspects of the discussions. Typical fallacious drivel, nothing more.

If he "distrusted" Proteus so much, why would he "trust" his suggested mediator without suggesting one of his own. Especially after it was clear he couldnt contact ASF? Why was no attempt to sort it made in this thread until after the fact? Why does no one see this or point it out and instead use poor excuses and deflecting to bandwagon. Anyone who knows me and Proteus' relationship know I would be first one to point out when he is being stupid, doing something wrong, etc so save it acting like I am being biased.

I stated a possible reason for why he could have suggested him, then been unable to contact him in a timely fashion to make the bet fair to both parties. Since KuhaN did ZERO to mitigate the situation by finding another mediator, he has only himself to blame for not receiving his money. Like csarmi said, money is serious business, and I sure and the hell wouldnt make a wager with some random person I have never met IRL and dont know and have no reason to trust unless there was a mediator. It's not gambling if you have no confirmation the other person will pay. If they never planned on paying, you are the only one "gambling". I hope that clears it up.

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Originally Posted by csarmi

I'm not missing the fact at all. Show me logs or messages that indicate that:

- a third party was agreed
- that third party agreed to be the mediator
- that third party confirmed receiving the money and confirmed the bet's conditions

Exactly. Points I have been making all along. Actually quite easily to follow and see none of this was done throughout the thread. I guess we are just suppose to take KuhaN's word for it, just like we are suppose to take his word that he would pay lol.
11-04-2013, 09:01
csarmi

I agree that ASF would be a very good mediator to trust. I can see why both Proteus and KuHaN would trust him. I'd trust him too.

I also agree that ASF been running his mouth and wriggled out of the bet. Maybe he never wanted to take it seriously.

He doesn't seem to owe KuHaN anything, however.
11-04-2013, 09:04
Relic

Proteus wants to be an internet tough guy, challenging people to back down from his real money bets. Too bad Kuhan was willing to call his bluff.

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Originally Posted by Proteus

flogger you care to bet with me, you are supposed to be a west coast high roller. put your $$ where your mouth is, hundy spot on this.

Time to put YOUR money where YOUR mouth is tough guy.

Such a shame, you could have been the guy you seem to want to be in this game by paying the 100 bucks. Now your utopia enemies will never let you live it down.
11-04-2013, 09:04
Evillone

Phoenix it's imposible to have a hand shake online right? Closest your gonna get is a "verbal" agreement which they did have. You do sound just like proteus "we didn't shake on it plus I had my fingers crossed so it doesn't count!". Obviously neither of you place any value on your name sense you would both rather make up excuses that no one cares about than spend 100$ to keep your name from being dragged through the mud.
11-04-2013, 09:07
csarmi

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Originally Posted by Evillone

Phoenix it's imposible to have a hand shake online right? Closest your gonna get is a "verbal" agreement which they did have. You do sound just like proteus "we didn't shake on it plus I had my fingers crossed so it doesn't count!". Obviously neither of you place any value on your name sense you would both rather make up excuses that no one cares than spend 100$ to keep your name from being dragged through the mud.

Actually, it is not impossible at all.
Wanna make the bet serious?

Open a channel on forums or on IRC. Place the players and mediator there. All three confirm that the bet is on, money is transferred, conditions, etc.
11-04-2013, 09:07
American Badass

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Originally Posted by PhoenixScorpion

Korp your an established troll so this will be my last response to you.

Knowing a players whereabouts has nothing to do with what I posted. Caring enough to go trying to locate or make ASF mediate is another matter. Like I said since KuhaN never suggested or even offered another mediator its a moot point on if Proteus would/wouldnt have accepted the deal. Kind of the same as KuhaN saying he would have paid if he lost. Wouldve, shouldve, couldve. So what. I come in here stating facts after reading the BS in the thread. I love how people go off on tangents, deflect, and use red-herrings to support their positions instead of sticking to the logical aspects of the discussions. Typical fallacious drivel, nothing more.

If he "distrusted" Proteus so much, why would he "trust" his suggested mediator without suggesting one of his own. Especially after it was clear he couldnt contact ASF? Why was no attempt to sort it made in this thread until after the fact? Why does no one see this or point it out and instead use poor excuses and deflecting to bandwagon. Anyone who knows me and Proteus' relationship know I would be first one to point out when he is being stupid, doing something wrong, etc so save it acting like I am being biased.

I stated a possible reason for why he could have suggested him, then been unable to contact him in a timely fashion to make the bet fair to both parties. Since KuhaN did ZERO to mitigate the situation by finding another mediator, he has only himself to blame for not receiving his money. Like csarmi said, money is serious business, and I sure and the hell wouldnt make a wager with some random person I have never met IRL and dont know and have no reason to trust unless their was a mediator. It's not gambling if you have no confirmation the other person will pay. As if they never planned on paying you are the only one "gambling" hope that clears it up.

Exactly. Points I have been making all along. Actually quite easily to follow and see none of this was done throughout the thread. I guess we are just suppose to take KuhaN's word for it, just like we are suppose to take his word that he would pay lol.

I think you misunderstand... Proteus made the bet, kuhan accepted. Proteus didn't trust kuhan to pay if he lost so suggested ASF. Kuhan accepted but couldn't get hold of him to give him the money. If Proteus was true to his word and KNEW he was going to payout if he lost, WHY does he need a 3rd party?

Regardless as Proteus lost surely ASF should have Proteus $100 and as he lost it can now get sent to kuhan? Doesn't matter now kuhan didn't send.
11-04-2013, 09:11
American Badass

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Originally Posted by csarmi

Actually, it is not impossible at all.
Wanna make the bet serious?

Open a channel on forums or on IRC. Place the players and mediator there. All three confirm that the bet is on, money is transferred, conditions, etc.

Why do you think the community is telling Proteus to pay? 63 people witnessed the bet in the sanc v ma thread...
11-04-2013, 09:14
PhoenixScorpion

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Originally Posted by Evillone

Phoenix it's imposible to have a hand shake online right? Closest your gonna get is a "verbal" agreement which they did have. You do sound just like proteus "we didn't shake on it plus I had my fingers crossed so it doesn't count!". Obviously neither of you place any value on your name sense you would both rather make up excuses that no one cares than spend 100$ to keep your name from being dragged through the mud.

This goes to both you and Relic. Maybe you should actually do something meaningful with your lives, instead of wondering how much "prestige" or "honor" you have on a nearly extinct, text-based game. Or caring what your "enemies" think or careing about if someone you dont give two craps about opinion matters to in the slightest. This isn't high-school D&D or some crap.

Evilone, I stated clearly what serves as the "handshake" the mediator, which it seems both KuhaN and Proteus required as neither trusted the other so obviously it was not made in the "gentleman's" fashion which require complete trust and just your word. I love when people post things that are oxymorons and try to have their cake and eat it too. So sad when people cant follow a simple train of logic.

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Originally Posted by American Badass

I think you misunderstand... Proteus made the bet, kuhan accepted. Proteus didn't trust kuhan to pay if he lost so suggested ASF. Kuhan accepted but couldn't get hold of him to give him the money. If Proteus was true to his word and KNEW he was going to payout if he lost, WHY does he need a 3rd party?

Regardless as Proteus lost surely ASF should have Proteus $100 and as he lost it can now get sent to kuhan? Doesn't matter now kuhan didn't send.

It seems you time in Simians is taking its toll. How about reread my replies that are relevant instead of making me answer the same questions over and over because I wont.

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Originally Posted by American Badass

Why do you think the community is telling Proteus to pay? 63 people witnessed the bet in the sanc v ma thread...

See above...
11-04-2013, 09:15
Korp

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Korp your an established troll so this will be my last response to you.

Well, you're a established liar but you still come here spouting nonsense from time to time :)

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Knowing a players whereabouts has nothing to do with what I posted. Caring enough to go trying to locate or make ASF mediate is another matter.

Proteus should know if ASF is avaiable or not, if he dont know what his kd mates are doing then Rage is more crappy than I thought.

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Like I said since KuhaN never suggested or even offered another mediator its a moot point on if Proteus would/wouldnt have accepted the deal.

Yea, I guess it was wrong for KuHan to have some trust in Proteus, he should have right away distrusted everything Proteus was saying.

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Wouldve, shouldve, couldve. So what. I come in here stating facts after reading the BS in the thread. I love how people go off on tangents, deflect, and use red-herrings to support their positions instead of sticking to the logical aspects of the discussions. Typical fallacious drivel, nothing more.

I love how you tend to use the same kind of "arguments" in every thread you post in. You resoirt to one thing quite fast constantly.

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If he "distrusted" Proteus so much, why would he "trust" his suggested mediator without suggesting one of his own. Especially after it was clear he couldnt contact ASF? Why was no attempt to sort it made in this thread until after the fact? Why does no one see this or point it out and instead use poor excuses and deflecting to bandwagon. Anyone who knows me and Proteus' relationship know I would be first one to point out when he is being stupid, doing something wrong, etc so save it acting like I am being biased.

You see, by the time it was clear that ASF ignores KuHan the whole way the war was already one and nobody would accept a bet that he knew he already lost. Let me ask you this, when you make a informal bet between you and a friend of a friend, do you then suggest a escrow that is impossible to reach? Or do you even suggest a escrow? Or do you just man up and take it as it is a between two people, challenge was issued and challenge was accepted so to speak. You been licking Proteus arse this whole thread coming up with "suggestions" why he couldnt go forth with this deal.

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I stated a possible reason for why he could have suggested him, then been unable to contact him in a timely fashion to make the bet fair to both parties.

Proteus plays in a so called "top kd" and he cant even get a hold of his kd mates?
11-04-2013, 09:19
Bishop

ASF's availability is irrelevant, the bet was made and accepted before he was mentioned.
11-04-2013, 09:25
protector

lol@PS.
In 'underground gambling' you'd often see bets made without money put on the table first. Whoever doesn't pay his debts is most likely going to be molested till he pays.

Bottom line is, if you make a bet and it's agreed upon, whether money is held by a 3rd party or not; if you loose and don't pay up, you're a douche.
11-04-2013, 09:29
Evillone

Ok so hear is a scenario for you.

Let's say myself and my 3 friends Sam, Mike and Joe go to the bar. While there Joe and I make a 100$ bet on a game of pool. We decide to have Sam hold the cash (my friends don't welch so we would never think of "escrow" but play along) but mid game Sam has to go take a duce. So he hands the cash off to mike. Now if we conclude our game before Sam returns is the bet void becuse the agreed apon holder didn't have the cash? Or better yet what if what if thier was no mike so Sam had just handed our cash back to us till he returned. If our game concluded before his return is the bet void?
11-04-2013, 09:29
PhoenixScorpion

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Originally Posted by Korp

Well, you're a established liar but you still come here spouting nonsense from time to time :)

I dont lie and rarely post here. Was a misunderstanding about something that happened like 10-12 years ago, and a difference of opinion. People who actually know me know I dont lie and my background, etc so save it troll.

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Originally Posted by Korp

Proteus should know if ASF is avaiable or not, if he dont know what his kd mates are doing then Rage is more crappy than I thought.

Proteus isnt ASF's keeper. If you think Rage is crappy your more than welcome to try your luck. Somehow I think that would end badly for you.

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Originally Posted by Korp

Yea, I guess it was wrong for KuHan to have some trust in Proteus, he should have right away distrusted everything Proteus was saying.

He couldve mitigated the situation by taking initiative to find another person. Since he did not and never suggested one on the first hand it is his own fault he is short 100$.

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Originally Posted by Korp

I love how you tend to use the same kind of "arguments" in every thread you post in. You resoirt to one thing quite fast constantly.

That's because the same types of poor logic and list of fallacies are used to support arguments on these threads. But not like I expect you to even know what a fallacious statement, position, or line of logic is seeing as it is your primary position most times you open your mouth.

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Originally Posted by Korp

You see, by the time it was clear that ASF ignores KuHan the whole way the war was already one and nobody would accept a bet that he knew he already lost. Let me ask you this, when you make a informal bet between you and a friend of a friend, do you then suggest a escrow that is impossible to reach? Or do you even suggest a escrow? Or do you just man up and take it as it is a between two people, challenge was issued and challenge was accepted so to speak. You been licking Proteus arse this whole thread coming up with "suggestions" why he couldnt go forth with this deal.

You see, it could have all been avoided within less than 12 hrs with a few easy steps. 1) KuhaN started a thread and asked for a impartial mediator. 2) KuhaN made a thread stating what terms, conditions, deadline to pay, etc was of the bet and Proteus also agreeing in said thread to the same and conditions. 3) KuhaN providing logs of Proteus accepting bet, with the same from a personal conversation.

None of which KuhaN has done, or can produce. So he can cry all he likes, wont change fact he screwed himself not Proteus.
11-04-2013, 09:35
Korp

PS ill just post your previous quote in here.

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Korp your an established troll so this will be my last response to you.

Yet you respond to me again, so previous statement was a lie :)

For the rest ill just refer to Bishops comment.
11-04-2013, 09:38
PhoenixScorpion

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Originally Posted by Korp

PS ill just post your previous quote in here.

Yet you respond to me again, so previous statement was a lie :)

For the rest ill just refer to Bishops comment.

Semantics. But your right I have fed the troll far too long ;)
11-04-2013, 09:51
amokchen

Dont defend a guy that accepted a bet in public and runs away after a loss :\

Let it be known that his word is worthless instead :D
11-04-2013, 09:53
American Badass

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Originally Posted by PhoenixScorpion

I dont lie and rarely post here. Was a misunderstanding about something that happened like 10-12 years ago, and a difference of opinion. People who actually know me know I dont lie and my background, etc so save it troll.

Proteus isnt ASF's keeper. If you think Rage is crappy your more than welcome to try your luck. Somehow I think that would end badly for you.

He couldve mitigated the situation by taking initiative to find another person. Since he did not and never suggested one on the first hand it is his own fault he is short 100$.

That's because the same types of poor logic and list of fallacies are used to support arguments on these threads. But not like I expect you to even know what a fallacious statement, position, or line of logic is seeing as it is your primary position most times you open your mouth.

You see, it could have all been avoided within less than 12 hrs with a few easy steps. 1) KuhaN started a thread and asked for a impartial mediator. 2) KuhaN made a thread stating what terms, conditions, deadline to pay, etc was of the bet and Proteus also agreeing in said thread to the same and conditions. 3) KuhaN providing logs of Proteus accepting bet, with the same from a personal conversation.

None of which KuhaN has done, or can produce. So he can cry all he likes, wont change fact he screwed himself not Proteus.

Why are you sticking up for one of your kd mates being a pussy? The big man (Proteus) made the bet and he lost.

I will break it down so even a 4 year old could understand.

- Proteus makes a bet of $100 that Sanc would beat MA
- Kuhan accepts the bet
- Proteus probably taken aback someone accepted suggests ASF as a 3rd party (kuhan accepts again) - Please not 2 times now kuhan has accepted all of Proteus' demands
- Kuhan won the bet
- Proteus now says the deal was void
- Please note, the 3rd party was mentioned as proteus did not believe Kuhan would pay. Now that proteus lost the bet, does it matter or not really deep down if ASF was holding Kuhan's money?

Why would Kuhan have made a thread...? He stupidly trusted proteus' word. It was Proteus that was pussying out mid bet and followed through by not paying.

It is lolable how any ABs kd says challenge if you think you are brave enough when for 8 game yrs they been pumping ridiculous science @ 20% draft controlling the top 5. All this means is that if you do get beat your kingdom truely does suck.
11-04-2013, 10:16
ZodZilla

Quote:

Originally Posted by PhoenixScorpion

You see, it could have all been avoided within less than 12 hrs with a few easy steps. 1) KuhaN started a thread and asked for a impartial mediator. 2) KuhaN made a thread stating what terms, conditions, deadline to pay, etc was of the bet and Proteus also agreeing in said thread to the same and conditions. 3) KuhaN providing logs of Proteus accepting bet, with the same from a personal conversation.

None of which KuhaN has done, or can produce. So he can cry all he likes, wont change fact he screwed himself not Proteus.

lol, I think PhoenixScorpion is even worse than proteus. Anyone who makes a bet, loses, then refuses to pay on the grounds that if taken to court he wouldn't have to pay up... yeah, real classy.
11-04-2013, 10:16
Syntico

Quote:

Originally Posted by American Badass

Why are you sticking up for one of your kd mates being a pussy? The big man (Proteus) made the bet and he lost.

I will break it down so even a 4 year old could understand.

- Proteus makes a bet of $100 that Sanc would beat MA
- Kuhan accepts the bet
- Proteus probably taken aback someone accepted suggests ASF as a 3rd party (kuhan accepts again) - Please not 2 times now kuhan has accepted all of Proteus' demands
- Kuhan won the bet
- Proteus now says the deal was void
- Please note, the 3rd party was mentioned as proteus did not believe Kuhan would pay. Now that proteus lost the bet, does it matter or not really deep down if ASF was holding Kuhan's money?

Why would Kuhan have made a thread...? He stupidly trusted proteus' word. It was Proteus that was pussying out mid bet and followed through by not paying.

It is lolable how any ABs kd says challenge if you think you are brave enough when for 8 game yrs they been pumping ridiculous science @ 20% draft controlling the top 5. All this means is that if you do get beat your kingdom truely does suck.

Wait, let me get this straight:

- Proteus offers to bet anyone $100 that Sanctuary would beat A Mothers Advice.
- Kuhan accepts the bet offer.
- Proteus then adds an extra conditions by suggesting ASF (Proteus' kingdom mate) as a 3rd party.
- Kuhan agrees (with the knowledge that ASF is Proteus' kingdom mate), Kuhan makes attempts to find ASF.
- Kuhan can't find ASF over this crucial period.
- Time lapses and it seems like Sanctuary was going to lose.
- ASF has apparently vanished from the earth.
- Sanctuary gets farmed by A Mothers Advice.
- Kuhan wins the bet.
- Proteus now says the deal was avoid because the third party conditions was not met.

You be the judge.
11-04-2013, 10:19
sheeplovebeer

You know there are no interesting wars going on when...
11-04-2013, 10:23
citadela01

Quote:

Originally Posted by PhoenixScorpion

...

No.
Bet was offered and accepted, everything else is bs.
Proteus has shown hes douche whose word is worthless.
11-04-2013, 10:28
ZodZilla

I made a foolish $50 bet about 6 months ago after a few bottles of wine. Long story short, a few months later the results were in and I lost, which once sober I fully expected. I paid out the $50, and my friend used it to take us out to dinner since he thought I would not honor my drunken wager. Respect is priceless.
11-04-2013, 10:28
Drug

Most amusing fact in this story for me is that when Proteus ran his big mouth and offered "bet" to community it was absolutely 100% pure bluff, coz Proteus had no intel of neither Sanc nor MA. KuhaN just cought Mr. Big Mouth on his bluff and only then Proteus realized that he can be punished for running his big mouth, so he started getting intel on MA, but it was already late...

Now community can just laugh @ Proteus and his dogs, who r currently trying to find any excuse to not pay. At least that's what I am doing atm ;)
11-04-2013, 10:37
Evillone

Quote:

Originally Posted by citadela01

No.
Bet was offered and accepted, everything else is bs.
Proteus has shown hes douche whose word is worthless.

Correction he's shown that his name and his word are not worth 100$. They may have some value just not much....
11-04-2013, 10:39
ZodZilla

Well poll is still 90% in favor of KuhaN... but to be fair I bet most of those peasants never took contract law.
11-04-2013, 11:25
csarmi

Quote:

Originally Posted by American Badass

Why do you think the community is telling Proteus to pay? 63 people witnessed the bet in the sanc v ma thread...

What we witnessed in the Sanc vs MA thread was Proteus running his math, KuHaN showing willingness to call his bluff, then no bet materializing.
11-04-2013, 11:27
Korp

If someone says I bet xx on xx and another person accepts the bet it sure is a bet..
11-04-2013, 11:42
Avenger

So, some people would rather lose their word before losing 100$... wait what?
->Implying Proteus is a gentleman... I'm probably a bit overboard with the assumption.
Stay classy, folks!
11-04-2013, 11:50
Soul_Hunter

Wtf?! This topic still on? :D I smell some moderator's conspiracy to boost the forum activity :P!
11-04-2013, 11:54
American Badass

Quote:

Originally Posted by Syntico

Wait, let me get this straight:

- Proteus offers to bet anyone $100 that Sanctuary would beat A Mothers Advice.
- Kuhan accepts the bet offer.
- Proteus then adds an extra conditions by suggesting ASF (Proteus' kingdom mate) as a 3rd party.
- Kuhan agrees (with the knowledge that ASF is Proteus' kingdom mate), Kuhan makes attempts to find ASF.
- Kuhan can't find ASF over this crucial period.
- Time lapses and it seems like Sanctuary was going to lose.
- ASF has apparently vanished from the earth.
- Sanctuary gets farmed by A Mothers Advice.
- Kuhan wins the bet.
- Proteus now says the deal was avoid because the third party conditions was not met.

You be the judge.

There is/was no time limit to when the money was to be transfered to ASF. It could and should be transfered when ASF is available but as Kuhan won there is no need for him to transfer. Proteus should transfer to ASF then it gets forwarded on.
11-04-2013, 12:43
Anri

Quote:

Originally Posted by PhoenixScorpion

Coming from a Simian, excuse me while I laugh...

We pay for our debts with blood and money.

What is your point and what does this have to do with Proteus paying or not?
You are the ONLY one taking his defense here.

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