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12-02-2014, 23:17
DM_Benjamin

Zauper is on holidays in Vietnam, that is all. He will be back in two weeks, settle down everyone.

Zauper hasn't left the kingdom.
12-02-2014, 23:27
Aranfein

This anticipated war sounds like a big mess, at the moment, hope things get sorted and it becomes a clear and good matchup/fight.

No doubt CR are holding the advantages at present, but still a while for EoA.
12-02-2014, 23:49
American Badass

Quote:

Originally Posted by DM_Benjamin

Zauper is on holidays in Vietnam, that is all. He will be back in two weeks, settle down everyone.

Zauper hasn't left the kingdom.

Technically he has for 2 weeks.
12-02-2014, 23:56
topsy's revenge

The amount of counteroffers provided by you cello have been 0. I don't think it's our job to come up with proposals so that a kd can manage to dodge us. If you actually want to diplo all you have to do is pm me with ideas that are different from "you guys owe us long cf's + extensions because we want them."

You claim that the moral thing is to not demand who wars who and yet you are demanding to us that you war pyro instead of us. Obviously we both want the other person to war a different person, so I'm not entirely sure why you believe yourself to be eligible for moral high ground. If you're actually interested in changing your cf situation(which currently invites us to notice you and hit you before anyone else has hit you), instead of just wanting to swear at us in pm and complain here, you know where to find me.

edit: also, you don't need your sitting to be out in order for it to run out if you were to set it for 2 weeks. 2+2=4. 4>3.
13-02-2014, 00:23
guard14n

Three kids are on a playgroud. Two of them wanna play together. The 3d is left out for being a bully. What the bully does is ruin the other two kids' game and pick on them.

Seems about right...
13-02-2014, 00:54
Olpah

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Originally Posted by guard14n

Three kids are on a playgroud. Two of them wanna play together. The 3d is left out for being a bully. What the bully does is ruin the other two kids' game and pick on them.

Seems about right...

Or the other two are bullying the third one for leaving him/her out.

Seems about right...
13-02-2014, 01:15
Nick_mi

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Originally Posted by topsy's revenge

The amount of counteroffers provided by you cello have been 0. I don't think it's our job to come up with proposals so that a kd can manage to dodge us. If you actually want to diplo all you have to do is pm me with ideas that are different from "you guys owe us long cf's + extensions because we want them."

You claim that the moral thing is to not demand who wars who and yet you are demanding to us that you war pyro instead of us. Obviously we both want the other person to war a different person, so I'm not entirely sure why you believe yourself to be eligible for moral high ground. If you're actually interested in changing your cf situation(which currently invites us to notice you and hit you before anyone else has hit you), instead of just wanting to swear at us in pm and complain here, you know where to find me.

edit: also, you don't need your sitting to be out in order for it to run out if you were to set it for 2 weeks. 2+2=4. 4>3.

This+still waiting on elit to respond to post #74
13-02-2014, 03:04
Ezzerland

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Originally Posted by Cello

Being one of the dominating kingdoms in the game comes with a responsibility. A responsibility to keep things fair and even in the top, and sometimes this requires you to turn a kingdoms 0% chances into 10% by letting them war another kingdom and reaping the benefits afterwards. Havoc have clearly shown that they value quick success over morality. We'll see where it brings them.

I could reference situations also, but I see no point. Everyone has mishaps and those go both ways. This isn't what I'm debating.

I agree that no kingdom has the right to say who another kingdom can or cannot war. This applies to you, also. Just because CR happen to be in a position of power (first time in.. 3 ages against you... How have you treated them?), doesn't mean that they have no right to notice you, which is what your kingdom has continuously come out with. The sad cycle in utopia is that the action they take against you now in this situation is something you will use against them in the future, despite how you have treated them in the past. And when you take vengeance, no matter the form, they will hold it against you and use it against you in the future.

The community is literally unwilling to break this cycle. With power, we often lack responsibility. Specifically, we lack responsibility when it comes to dealing with anyone we think we have a reason to not like.
13-02-2014, 03:10
Chrystal Palace

CR v/s AMA. the loser gets to war pyro and then a rematch.
13-02-2014, 03:41
scitzo

Courtesy is given, not to be asked.
CR + Pryo vs AMA when both CF ended, I don't see anything wrong there
13-02-2014, 04:58
karaso

We need ELIT to man up and stop running away.
13-02-2014, 05:08
StratOcastle

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Originally Posted by karaso

We need ELIT to man up and stop running away.

Pattern chess move: every kingdom that has accused AMA of running is defeated. I'm nobody but the guy telling you to take a flexible defensive posture. You don't want a story so basic it'll make fairy tale status in every AMA-PB sig in forum.
13-02-2014, 05:46
fookyih

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Originally Posted by Cello

Similarly, had we been in the position Havoc was in now, and we were asked to keep the notice period intact while they go war another kingdom (not an increase in notice, like topsy makes everyone believe up there), after which we would still easily be in a position to farm them out, we would have given them that courtesy. A courtesy that Zauper was willing to extend to us, but that the rest of his shady council can't seem to bring up.

Being one of the dominating kingdoms in the game comes with a responsibility. A responsibility to keep things fair and even in the top, and sometimes this requires you to turn a kingdoms 0% chances into 10% by letting them war another kingdom and reaping the benefits afterwards. Havoc have clearly shown that they value quick success over morality. We'll see where it brings them.

Please tell me what is fair?
1) you asked us to go find another kd to war. Which kd are you suggesting that the war is fair? If the 1st kd asking the 2nd kd to war is not fair, and the 3rd kd will war the 2nd kd, which other kd is potentially fair?

2) Up until 1 week ago before AMA get razed, pryo is about 15-20k smaller than AMA. And AMA is about 20k smaller than CR. If AMA warring pryo is considered fair, why is CR warring AMA is not considered fair?

3) AMA last war is with Rage, thats about 2 weeks ago? 2 weeks of preparation is not enough to war any kd?

As far as i know, you have talked to various poeple from CR. The deal proposal you guys giving is still the same.
13-02-2014, 06:00
Elit

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Originally Posted by Nick_mi

This+still waiting on elit to respond to post #74

Im busy and dont really have to reply all post, special if its inaccurate. AMA didn't hit last age ED/Pew Pew in his hostile/wars. Our cf with Pyro was set short before pyro and Simians war start and they asked us for fair deal and not vulture them. So we extend cf for 2 weeks and keep it fair.

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Originally Posted by Parth

About the situation last age where Fratzia hit into our war vs pyro:

[18:06] <Elit> i think you realy deserve this hits, and im happy other kd made it
[18:06] <Elit> so you can learn from this
[18:06] <Elit> and this time ppl wont say im greedy for land
[18:07] <Elit> if you cant warthem offer free acres for CF
[18:07] <Elit> dont run in another war

So according to Elits own logic, CR can hit AMA into war and actually do them a favour - giving them a learning experience.

One thing I know is that life is short
So listen up homeboy, give this a thought
The next time someone's teaching why don't you get taught?
It's like that and that's the way it is.

Im not back my words. You full deserved it last age. First you set 2 run wars for ED to run from AMA after you loss from us and we wanted to get back our cow acres. So you abuse game for protect your cows. After this you made same to fratzia and made it in most stupid way. If you going to war other kd you can tell Fratzia in time and try set new deal not run in aranged war 10 minutes before your cf expire with them and make them train up.
My situation is complete different. Our cf is still not expired and Havoc try to call us dibs and tell us we cant war any other kd when they know long ago there is plans for both kds to war. Its lame power play from havoc and its going to fire them back.

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Originally Posted by fookyih

Please tell me what is fair?
1) you asked us to go find another kd to war. Which kd are you suggesting that the war is fair? If the 1st kd asking the 2nd kd to war is not fair, and the 3rd kd will war the 2nd kd, which other kd is potentially fair?

2) Up until 1 week ago before AMA get razed, pryo is about 15-20k smaller than AMA. And AMA is about 20k smaller than CR. If AMA warring pryo is considered fair, why is CR warring AMA is not considered fair?

3) AMA last war is with Rage, thats about 2 weeks ago? 2 weeks of preparation is not enough to war any kd?

As far as i know, you have talked to various poeple from CR. The deal proposal you guys giving is still the same.

1. next age dont cf all kds till yr 9-10 and you can get wars.
2. Pyro was in war and needed time for his explore. We are same size now. You just don't understand game so don't comment it.
3. sure 2 weeks is enough for prepare if no one bother to raze you,and sure 9 weeks is better if you TAX kds for let them war how you did to Simians. This is new insane **** bring from your kd this age.
13-02-2014, 06:16
Korp

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Im not back my words. You full deserved it last age. First you set 2 run wars for ED to run from AMA after you loss from us and we wanted to get back our cow acres. So you abuse game for protect your cows.

Then you should report them and let support decide if they were abusing anything game related. You dont decide the rules Elit, your personal opinion about the rules means ****.

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After this you made same to fratzia and made it in most stupid way. If you going to war other kd you can tell Fratzia in time and try set new deal not run in aranged war 10 minutes before your cf expire with them and make them train up.

They didnt owe anything towards Fratzia, why should they care if they train up or not? Its not their business, but I guess you go around telling enemy kds what your plans are all the time.

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My situation is complete different. Our cf is still not expired and Havoc try to call us dibs and tell us we cant war any other kd when they know long ago there is plans for both kds to war. Its lame power play from havoc and its going to fire them back.

So its exactly like the ED vs Fratzia situation, you try to run away from Havoc cause you dont wanna war Havoc. Acording to your own logic Havoc is entitled to wave you.
13-02-2014, 06:23
I_am_Spartacus

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Originally Posted by Korp

So its exactly like the ED vs Fratzia situation, you try to run away from Havoc cause you dont wanna war Havoc. Acording to your own logic Havoc is entitled to wave you.

No it's not. Havoc is aware AMA and PYROs are going to war ahead of time. So they won't have to train up like Fratzia did.
13-02-2014, 06:26
Elit

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Originally Posted by Korp

So its exactly like the ED vs Fratzia situation, you try to run away from Havoc cause you dont wanna war Havoc. Acording to your own logic Havoc is entitled to wave you.

We had reset clause with Havoc so they made this topic for abuse our deal and say they was first notice us and use it for excuse.
13-02-2014, 06:50
Korp

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Originally Posted by I_am_Spartacus

No it's not. Havoc is aware AMA and PYROs are going to war ahead of time. So they won't have to train up like Fratzia did.

And somehow I think Fratzia was well aware of ED running as well..
13-02-2014, 07:04
DonJuan

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Originally Posted by Chrystal Palace

CR v/s AMA. the loser gets to war pyro and then a rematch.

This is what I'm hoping for...except I'll prefer the winner of the second war wars #1 for the third and final war.

It just sounds like it's gonna be an be ol fashion hoedown
13-02-2014, 07:52
karaso

I really dont have the time to argue with you. If we get defeated then we get defeated. Im sure Elit is very much capable in defeating us, there is no doubt about that. So lets just do it and lets stop with all the nonsense bull crap.

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Originally Posted by StratOcastle

Pattern chess move: every kingdom that has accused AMA of running is defeated. I'm nobody but the guy telling you to take a flexible defensive posture. You don't want a story so basic it'll make fairy tale status in every AMA-PB sig in forum.
13-02-2014, 08:24
Parth

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Originally Posted by Elit

We had reset clause with Havoc so they made this topic for abuse our deal and say they was first notice us and use it for excuse.

So your honest opinion is that AMA is doing nothing wrong and that this in no way is the same situation as last age vs ED, cause you have a reset clause with CR? Or whats the differance again?

"Im not back my words. You full deserved it last age. First you set 2 run wars for ED to run from AMA after you loss from us and we wanted to get back our cow acres. "

Maybe CR wants cow acres now? Is it the fact you wanted cow acres back that made the situation last age unique and you had the right to tell ED to war you?

"So you abuse game for protect your cows. After this you made same to fratzia and made it in most stupid way. If you going to war other kd you can tell Fratzia in time and try set new deal not run in aranged war 10 minutes before your cf expire with them and make them train up."

So, do the same with CR; offer them something? 20k acres of which half is from cows and I think you have your extension...but run it with topsy or someone.

"My situation is complete different. Our cf is still not expired and Havoc try to call us dibs and tell us we cant war any other kd when they know long ago there is plans for both kds to war. Its lame power play from havoc and its going to fire them back."

So THIS is why its different? Cause we are talking about what will happen in the future. Obviously Havoc is not breaking the CF. They have never hinted that they would. So how is this a factor? Last age when we agreed with pew2 to war, its lame running. This age when you are trying to plan a war with pyro, its the third part being a bully. Makes complete sense now.
13-02-2014, 08:45
Elit

Parth, we had 9-11 days war with pew pew. Me and you was in process for make new deal and you use same lame diplo make us believe we will set deal and after it you drop all offers and vulture us telling there is no vulture with 4 days post war. We didn't run and wared you. Your cows made hit and you WD. Both kds had same time for prepare = 4 days and we wanted our pay back for your lame play, but you told now we want to vulture you!!! WTF so if its done to your kd after min time war its unfair but if you doing it to kd after 9-11 days war its perfect fine???

How you going to explain your second war with pew pew. I can understand war 1 but not how you b2b war and making it for 5 min second war. Didn't you told us we are lame for want to b2b war you? Why you did same to pew pew after you won war n1? change your position based on kd you are....

My situation with CR is complete different. Our cf for begin is not expired and they try to call us dibs in forum for prevent us war other kd they know long ago we had plan to war. This is power play and lame play. Noting about being fair and honorable.
13-02-2014, 09:55
Spice

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Originally Posted by Elit

Parth, we had 9-11 days war with pew pew. Me and you was in process for make new deal and you use same lame diplo make us believe we will set deal and after it you drop all offers and vulture us telling there is no vulture with 4 days post war. We didn't run and wared you. Your cows made hit and you WD. Both kds had same time for prepare = 4 days and we wanted our pay back for your lame play, but you told now we want to vulture you!!! WTF so if its done to your kd after min time war its unfair but if you doing it to kd after 9-11 days war its perfect fine???

How you going to explain your second war with pew pew. I can understand war 1 but not how you b2b war and making it for 5 min second war. Didn't you told us we are lame for want to b2b war you? Why you did same to pew pew after you won war n1? change your position based on kd you are....

My situation with CR is complete different. Our cf for begin is not expired and they try to call us dibs in forum for prevent us war other kd they know long ago we had plan to war. This is power play and lame play. Noting about being fair and honorable.

You also hit into pewpew their war 2 ages ago. When someone tried to avoid you.

I cant blame havoc for hitting into war if you war pyro
13-02-2014, 10:52
DM_Benjamin

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Originally Posted by Elit

For example when ED told AMA they are coming for us we didn't run.
For example when Havoc notice Fratzia they didn't run and war with 0% chance for win but manage it very well.
For example when BB told Havoc they are going round 2 Havoc Didn't run too.

Its only Pew Pew and ED run from wars and farm out but refuse to set it proper. All this lame play need to stop.

Just found this old gem
13-02-2014, 10:54
Elit

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Originally Posted by Spice

You also hit into pewpew their war 2 ages ago. When someone tried to avoid you.

I cant blame havoc for hitting into war if you war pyro

You mean Pew Pew triked 2 times in raw Stripers to war them and its ended SWEA waved them in war 1 and AMA waved in war 2.
Something must be wrong there?

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Originally Posted by DM_Benjamin

Just found this old gem

Be ready for more Gems :P
13-02-2014, 10:56
Anri

Rule #1

Dont dodge, it never ends good.

AMA needs to fight, not run.

They made rules like this earlier ages and needs to live up to thier own standards.
13-02-2014, 11:51
Elit

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anri

Rule #1

Dont dodge, it never ends good.

AMA needs to fight, not run.

They made rules like this earlier ages and needs to live up to thier own standards.

War KD same size make more sense from war alot bigger kd spend 8 weeks for pump. But don't worry, going to remind you this after our cf expire. Make sure you don't run ;)
13-02-2014, 12:04
faegan

Quote:

Originally Posted by parth

about the situation last age where fratzia hit into our war vs pyro:

[18:06] <elit> i think you realy deserve this hits, and im happy other kd made it
[18:06] <elit> so you can learn from this
[18:06] <elit> and this time ppl wont say im greedy for land
[18:07] <elit> if you cant warthem offer free acres for cf
[18:07] <elit> dont run in another war

so according to elits own logic, cr can hit ama into war and actually do them a favour - giving them a learning experience.

One thing i know is that life is short
so listen up homeboy, give this a thought
the next time someone's teaching why don't you get taught?
It's like that and that's the way it is.

run dmc!
13-02-2014, 12:23
faegan

What I just don't understand is why Elit doesn't simply contact Pyro leadership to renegotiate cease-fire and set expiry date pre-CR cease-fire expiry.

Problem solved
13-02-2014, 12:54
Runefire

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Originally Posted by faegan

What I just don't understand is why Elit doesn't simply contact Pyro leadership to renegotiate cease-fire and set expiry date pre-CR cease-fire expiry.

Problem solved

Because Elit set the precedent himself when Strippers and Pew Pew renegotiated a CF deal and AMA hit in to that war.
13-02-2014, 13:14
karaso

Man up man up. Stop running stop running.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elit

War KD same size make more sense from war alot bigger kd spend 8 weeks for pump. But don't worry, going to remind you this after our cf expire. Make sure you don't run ;)
13-02-2014, 15:00
Sig

Quote:

Originally Posted by Runefire

Because Elit set the precedent himself when Strippers and Pew Pew renegotiated a CF deal and AMA hit in to that war.

It is part of the job to take on 2v1s and 3v1s every other week, we were called Strippers for a reason!!
13-02-2014, 15:00
Chrystal Palace

ok let me get this straight. if CR wars AMA pyro has no issues warring the winner or loser correct? then why is elit crying? he has a week to get his affairs in order and prepare for war. Pyro is the new guy in land whores. so shouldnt they sit back and wait their shot after this war? i mean if i was pyro and i had their confidence i would want to war the winner. just to see if i could hang. Nesta and CJ again i mean no disrespect towards you. i just dont understand why elit is so afraid of CR. AMA has done so well.
13-02-2014, 15:13
StratOcastle

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Originally Posted by Chrystal Palace

ok let me get this straight. if CR wars AMA pyro has no issues warring the winner or loser correct? then why is elit crying? he has a week to get his affairs in order and prepare for war. Pyro is the new guy in land whores. so shouldnt they sit back and wait their shot after this war? i mean if i was pyro and i had their confidence i would want to war the winner. just to see if i could hang. Nesta and CJ again i mean no disrespect towards you. i just dont understand why elit is so afraid of CR. AMA has done so well.

I think Elit is smarter than being afraid. For example I saw a club boxer who appeared to be backpedalling against a vicious puncher, but would step in with a right cross roughly every 3rd cycle of sidestep. Thus, the slower softer fisted fighter won.
Elit and crew do know that CR has scouted their last 2 victories so the playbook may need revamping.these guys aren't dumb.
13-02-2014, 15:50
Anri

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elit

War KD same size make more sense from war alot bigger kd spend 8 weeks for pump. But don't worry, going to remind you this after our cf expire. Make sure you don't run ;)

Dont blame me for your stupid CFs and stupid deals.

You made these stupid moves and now people want to make them back on you.
It is not that hard man, you write your own rules, people use them against you.

If you want to notice us when the time comes, that is fine, we dont run and i expect your rules apply, just like they will apply against you in your current conflict. This is how you want to play the game then live by the damn rules and stop whining.

Edit: I dont agree with the BS rules Elit made up in his mind for his KD and for others KD, its just bad for the game. But til Elit realize this all must play by his rules and preferable AMA should get raped by thier own rules to make them understand exactly why its bad rules.
13-02-2014, 17:23
ofgortens

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chrystal Palace

ok let me get this straight. if CR wars AMA pyro has no issues warring the winner or loser correct? then why is elit crying? he has a week to get his affairs in order and prepare for war. Pyro is the new guy in land whores. so shouldnt they sit back and wait their shot after this war? i mean if i was pyro and i had their confidence i would want to war the winner. just to see if i could hang. Nesta and CJ again i mean no disrespect towards you. i just dont understand why elit is so afraid of CR. AMA has done so well.

Most likely because the winner of said war between CR / AMA would give a huge advantage over pyro with the ww bonus acres + any land they can stack on their cows which pyro can't do anything about. It will be interesting to see who actually wars who.

My bet is that AMA and pyro wars but CR does a huge wave on them when their notice is up and the winner of pyro/AMA would then war CR... only time will tell though. Perhaps they will reach some type of agreement before then.
13-02-2014, 17:29
Chrystal Palace

Quote:

Originally Posted by StratOcastle

I think Elit is smarter than being afraid. For example I saw a club boxer who appeared to be backpedalling against a vicious puncher, but would step in with a right cross roughly every 3rd cycle of sidestep. Thus, the slower softer fisted fighter won.
Elit and crew do know that CR has scouted their last 2 victories so the playbook may need revamping.these guys aren't dumb.

no one cares about your club boxer and your analogies. i never called anyone dumb. i think those two kingdoms have some of the best players in the game.
13-02-2014, 17:50
Aranfein

So much drama and we are only on page 11 :O

I honestly cant see what the problem is as CF's can usually be renegotiated, If your at a disadvantage and want new CF it often comes for a price.
13-02-2014, 18:03
StratOcastle

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chrystal Palace

no one cares about your club boxer and your analogies. i never called anyone dumb. i think those two kingdoms have some of the best players in the game.

Now your just dumping Chrystal. Your putting mysterious words where there were none. I thought you were super excited anyway(?) I do have issue with saying Elit is crying which is why I mentioned this as ploy.
Mutual respect my friend.
13-02-2014, 18:47
Elit

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anri

Dont blame me for your stupid CFs and stupid deals.

Pyro asked us for extend cf before his war with you and we made it for 2 weeks so they wont feel like we want to vulture them.
You got extend from us before your hostile/war with pew pew.
My cfs is not stupid im make them fair.
Dont know why im keep being nice with you. Its clear you don't value it. Guess you prefer havoc rules for tax you...

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