Simians Vs Sanc, HoH or Rage

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Originally Posted by DHaran

I don't know what fantasy world you've been living in, farming is and always has been against the rules. It's just a matter of circumstances and admin's view of them.

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No...it's not. Who has been deleted for "excessive farming"?
What's the limit between a kd getting their asses beat in a war, and being "illegal farms"?
Why are kds allowed to coordinate hits to regulate acre disparity? Isn't that farming?

This just keeps getting better and better. We're down to banhammer swinging?

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Originally Posted by DHaran

You are missing the irrelevance of your argument. Allied or not, it doesn't matter. A kingdom is intentionally transferring acres to another to affect the outcome of the age. That is farming, nothing else matters.

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That's a silly position.

1) Someone double hostling someone and then being mad that the kingdom lost the desire to try their hardest is fairly ridiculous. If you want someone to fight their hardest vs someone else, don't hit in their hostile

2) What's the point of withdrawing and saving acres? Sanctuary will just take them once OOW, so they're either fighting and losing acres to HoH, or fighting and losing acres to Sanctuary. There's nothing wrong with choosing who you want to fight, given you'll be fighting someone regardless, and one fight is a war which is more fun than fighting in a hostile.

What's the point of withdrawing to save acres to begin with when it's 2 weeks left of the age. They aren't getting close to a crown, is top10 anything to be happy about? Learns can still gain them something useful.

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Originally Posted by jdorje

You didn't stop us from winning by farming out to hoh. You stopped rage from winning (aka "damaged them"). So everyone is okay with it if we farm 100k acres to rage?

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See post above. A little bit of a difference between intentionally farming out to an ally, and farming out because you had banks and leaders quit after being double hostiled by enemies. I have no idea why they didn't want to withdraw at mintime, maybe they think they can get a war win ala sanc chaining 1 province at a time and HoH wanting to run with the acres. Maybe they want to have their acres restributed where hoh hits down their big provs and their small provs gain so they can war someone else afterwards.

Spending all age talking about how much other people's setups were farm setups, then being mad you couldn't risk 8 hits into fortified to lockup the farm in a war is just a miscalculation of the situation, similar to how you initially said that rage was the big winner and I immediately noticed hoh was the big winner.

If you have a kingdom you want to farm, make more than 1 hit.

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Originally Posted by John Snowstorm

Dear Anri;

Get off the forums and back on IRC to give your kingdom the support they need, and show they have a leader who is there thick and thin.

Calm down, think rationally, and stop making threats and promises for next age.

"Let your plans be dark and impenetrable as night, and when you move, fall like a thunderbolt."

Yours sincerely,

A friend.

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Wow JSS! Of all people to give moral support, lol.

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Originally Posted by flogger

What's the point of withdrawing and saving acres? Sanctuary will just take them once OOW, so they're either fighting and losing acres to HoH, or fighting and losing acres to Sanctuary. There's nothing wrong with choosing who you want to fight, given you'll be fighting someone regardless, and one fight is a war which is more fun than fighting in a hostile.

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A valid argument, when not factoring in the admission of intentionally farming out. Admitting to avoiding Sanc would be an acceptable answer, admitting to giving away acre so Sanc can't win is not.

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Originally Posted by flogger

That's a silly position.
2) What's the point of withdrawing and saving acres? Sanctuary will just take them once OOW, so they're either fighting and losing acres to HoH, or fighting and losing acres to Sanctuary. There's nothing wrong with choosing who you want to fight, given you'll be fighting someone regardless, and one fight is a war which is more fun than fighting in a hostile.

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This is what Dharan doesn't understand here. Simians aren't intentionally 'farming out' as in transfering as many acres to HoH as they can to give HoH the best shot, they are simply not putting as much effort as they normally would into hanging on to acres (because Sanc would vulture them oow anyway), hence Anri talking about learn attacks.

i dont care, but if we are being all righteous in top KD politics, then shouldnt we also ban TFT for staying in a war with Siminas for a long time, and continuing wars early age. what about this late age action changes that.

DHaran guy is kinda right

1. if order was allow HaLL to farm = illegal
2. if order was drop to range of others for was = fine
3. if genuinely losing = fine

that is all... really. grow up. also anri, you've turned into a bit of a nonce. you start losing then stop trying, kinda lame. faery circle will beat you lolz. chop chop suiii

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Originally Posted by DHaran

A valid argument, when not factoring in the admission of intentionally farming out. Admitting to avoiding Sanc would be an acceptable answer, admitting to giving away acre so Sanc can't win is not.

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The paper hasn't really looked like an intentional farmout all war either, just looks like an orc tact vs dwarf mystic one. I probably w/d if I'm leading either Simians or HoH though now.

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Giving land or taking it is also irrelevant, farming and farming out would be equally against the rules, depending on the circumstances. This case would be a judgement call, and it's Bishop's, not mine. I don't think he'd do anything about it, but in my opinion this is blatant farming to damage another kingdom, which is no different to me than farming out to benefit another kingdom.

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He's smoking way better stuff then me for sure :D where can I get some? Sanctuary Absalom supporter maybe? Hilarious really all of your posts about this "farming"

Simians doesn't want to give up, HoH doesn't want to give up we want a WW don't care of the outcome atleast me personally. This is an age of redemption for us, whether our monarch decides to WD or Anri, or we auto win is of no ones concern except the 2 kingdoms involved. I can give you an updated paper all of our news which is full of opps, some more then others if you like.

Don't try to change game rules to serve your own purposes and I find it offensive that a Mod can have this kind of power over making this determination with no facts to back it up.

Last age we "farmed" out to BiO, we literally gave them a crown why wasn't this reported????? What is the difference between the loss HoH VS BiO last age?? We sucked but so what we didn't want to roll over like Pus**s. We wanted the win last age we were pawned and because of it BiO won the crown. I played in BiO I route for them every age does that mean that I should be deleted ? Does that mean HoH should have been deleted?

Not a good can of worms to try to open I'd say. There is no black and white and EVERY situation AND war is unique. Should a ghetto never be able to war cause they cant do more then one attack a day from 8 guys out of 15??? Like where do you draw the line exactly Im curious.

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Originally Posted by ZodZilla

This is what Dharan doesn't understand here. Simians aren't intentionally 'farming out' as in transfering as many acres to HoH as they can to give HoH the best shot, they are simply not putting as much effort as they normally would into hanging on to acres (because Sanc would vulture them oow anyway), hence Anri talking about learn attacks.

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The use of learn attacks in a top "war" coupled with the admission of giving away acres to prevent another kingdom from winning would be enough evidence for me to end the war at min time and delete the Simians monarch. But at the end of the day, my opinion doesn't matter, I'm simply making conversation. Everyone keeps making arguments about war tactics being optional and losing acres isn't illegal, but none of that matter when it was specifically stated the goal of the war was to lose acres (by playing weakly so it's not a fake war) on purpose to alter the charts.

Also Dharen, isn't it a bit silly to be in favor of Sanc's move of hamstringing Simians on the way into this war, but then so against the outcome of a gimped dorf/mystic vs LARGER orc/tact? What did you expect to happen here? You really think a lack of min time withdraw should result in deletions?

Also no one said the goal of the war was to lose acres. It happened to end up this way, and Simians has every reason/right not to care.

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Originally Posted by DHaran

The use of learn attacks in a top "war" coupled with the admission of giving away acres to prevent another kingdom from winning would be enough evidence for me to end the war at min time and delete the Simians monarch. But at the end of the day, my opinion doesn't matter, I'm simply making conversation. Everyone keeps making arguments about war tactics being optional and losing acres isn't illegal, but none of that matter when it was specifically stated the goal of the war was to lose acres (by playing weakly so it's not a fake war) on purpose to alter the charts.

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I ordered learns in our war vs HoH this age and we managed to pull out a win. Did them on our open war wave. they look to be doing 2 trads and 2 learns, which is about what we started with.