CR vs AMA

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Originally Posted by elit

where was all "moral" people when sanctuary and havoc duble hostile us. Did they get gb for it?
Where was all "moral" people when pew pew farmed out to swea and after swea manipulate simians/stripers to gb us, when this not worked swea deal broke us too.
Where was all "moral" people when pew pew farmed out last age to rage. Did they got gbed for chart shape every age? No they become ally with rage next age. Sure its make sense.
Where was all "moral" people when we get **** played every age? No one care about us. Its same this age too. Atm no one care for havoc. All was perfect fine if we raze acres after we take down havoc so pyro can win age. Now because we dont raze them drixx/cj feel upsed and become "moral".

If pyro want to win his age legit can war havoc now 1vs1 and if win his war we will let them finish n1. If pyro get involved in any gb don't matter how its end if puro win its result from free pass. No more legit from if we win from deal break.
So make your choices and bring some action...and be ready for get punished for them in future ;)

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Originally Posted by American Badass

If AMA were to get GBed they would cry it is unfair even though repeatedly they have admitted in this thread it was a scrubby move to pull and how they deserve it.

So many kingdoms have been **** played, bullied and screwed over in the past and it is funny seeing Proteus smack talk the moves when "his" kingdom was at the time allied to the one screwing over AMA. HE could have acted and told Havoc to stop but chose not to. Proteus has claimed time and time again that when the main leaders leave the kingdom it is not the same anymore. SO why does he continue to bring **** up that happened over 4 ages ago thinking it is relevant and these actions are justified because of it?

The only kingdom's leadership that seems to still be original is AMA/Simians. AMA for one over the last 4 ages has done their fair play of **** playing but as kds around them change, his does not yet wants revenge on the kds that wronged him previously even though leadership has changed. Also AMA cries elit is fair and I admit on some occasions he has been, BUT why do you think kds spite him so much to take "his" crowns? It is not because he was nice to them that's for sure. It is because they feel/felt they had been wronged in the past. It was like Elit's hatred to ABs. It built up over ages, not over night.

Next age can we cut all the BS and if anyone mentions something that happened in the past can we all GB them? Lets start afresh when freeze mode starts.

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All I could have really done to stop this 2v1 was to take Rage out of Abs, why would havoc have to listen to me if I am not the leader of their kd. Considering Rage was the kd to beat and had people ****playing us (like bios repeated 2v1s) or people like flogger who napped everyone else and gunned for us every age, leaving Abs would be dumb (i.e. For example AMA is easily best kd on server but cant always close crowns due to ****play at eoa). Ultimately that age ASF and I decided we would no longer be allied to Sanc and after I retired from actually leading Rage I was asked to stay on as ama devised and help out...my only question was, "Are you going to be allied to Havoc?" After receiving the affirmative I packed my **** and left. So yes I did privately act according to what I felt was .right but no I wasnt going to fck abs over or my kd from within over what havoc did.

As for leaders who still play there... Nickmi founder/owner still plays in havoc who was main one behind the 2v1', maxi Ouse is in havoc who was a leader in sanc during 2v1, i believe hawk is there also who was a sanc leader, and some others. So yes its the same kd, especially after zauper left and they were back to their old ghetto tricks.

Hmm. Perhaps it's just about time that people just accept how things are and has turned out. We're all seeing this from many different angles and will no matter what agree on this. Let's not bicker and argue about who ****played who. Because everybody seems quite determined in defending their actions or intentions, valid arguments or not, this thread will never end up in any kind of common consent. Why you guys should just learn to live with what happened! What ever happens this age will most likely influence the comming ages topplay which it the only positiv thing that came out of this AMA wave. Positive in the sense, that next age and the comming ages will show which is infact the best KD to navigate and fight in ****ty waters :D

jjofdenmark, try to imagine how boring and ****y age we will had if AMA is not around. All top happy power play smaller kds and dont war.

or not elit. the top KD that wants to crow will sit and masturbate their acres all age and the others will find fun wars and completely ignore CR. If it got down to only one KD masturbating acres all day long, I think it might last two ages before that ended and people just warred.

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Originally Posted by Sheister

or not elit. the top KD that wants to crow will sit and masturbate their acres all age and the others will find fun wars and completely ignore CR. If it got down to only one KD masturbating acres all day long, I think it might last two ages before that ended and people just warred.

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There will be next kd for sure every age. Till there left 1kd and Simians can win :)

you know, I doubt it. I expect if no one was whoring up, simians might initially be whoring along and then, when they have a 10k acre lead on everyone say "oh crap, no one is doing this.....sigh" and then pump and wait for people to grow up so that they can war and have fun. That would be the end of it and simians may or may not crown that age, but I would expect at that point, no one would care anymore.

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Originally Posted by Elit

Where was all "moral" people when Sanctuary and Havoc duble hostile us. Did they get GB for it?

Proteus was the one who could have stopped it but chose not too. Drixx was no where near saying what went on and Proteus can confirm this as time and time again he has stated rage was "his" kd. You should be directing this question of fair play to him, not the current rage.

Pyro has only whored one age. Why would they give a **** before?

Pew2 are cleaning their image up or trying to, of cause they would of ****ed you over but again, Petrified had been leading kd then. Now box/tox is and they are trying to change.

Where was all "moral" people when Pew Pew farmed out to swea and after SWEA manipulate Simians/Stripers to GB us, when this not worked SWEA deal broke us too.

You deal broke Pew and left your ally Simians to rot to SWEA and multiple logs since then have proven this.

Where was all "moral" people when Pew Pew farmed out last age to Rage. Did they got GBed for chart shape every age? No they become ally with Rage next age. Sure its make sense.

Rage withdrew from the crown race and had zero influence on what EJ did to you.

Did you yourself try and arrange a GB on them whereby no on gains? I am sure any suggestion made by you would have had end result of AMA coming off on tp. Like when you created the aabs alliance and screwed over each and every kd that was helping you as you thought you'd receive no payback...

Where was all "moral" people when we get **** played every age? No one care about us. Its same this age too. ATM no one care for havoc. All was perfect fine if we raze acres after we take down Havoc so Pyro can win age. Now because we dont raze them Drixx/CJ feel upsed and become "moral".

For every **** play you have received you have dealt back.

If havoc would have dealbroke you , Rage/Pyro and pew would have helped you.
If you had razed Havoc with the true intention of not being in the crown race instead of plundering/TMing people might have believed you were standing up to your bully with no interest to crown long term. The deal break would have still been wrong but AT LEAST your statement would of been stronger. It is a shame no one trusts you enough to raze down any acres gained.



If pyro want to win his age legit can war havoc now 1vs1 and if win his war we will let them finish n1. If Pyro get involved in any gb don't matter how its end if Puro win its result from free pass. No more legit from if we win from deal break.
So make your choices and bring some action...and be ready for get punished for them in future ;)

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Herro.

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Originally Posted by Proteus

All I could have really done to stop this 2v1 was to take Rage out of Abs, why would havoc have to listen to me if I am not the leader of their kd. Considering Rage was the kd to beat and had people ****playing us (like bios repeated 2v1s) or people like flogger who napped everyone else and gunned for us every age, leaving Abs would be dumb (i.e. For example AMA is easily best kd on server but cant always close crowns due to ****play at eoa). Ultimately that age ASF and I decided we would no longer be allied to Sanc and after I retired from actually leading Rage I was asked to stay on as ama devised and help out...my only question was, "Are you going to be allied to Havoc?" After receiving the affirmative I packed my **** and left. So yes I did privately act according to what I felt was .right but no I wasnt going to fck abs over or my kd from within over what havoc did.

As for leaders who still play there... Nickmi founder/owner still plays in havoc who was main one behind the 2v1', maxi Ouse is in havoc who was a leader in sanc during 2v1, i believe hawk is there also who was a sanc leader, and some others. So yes its the same kd, especially after zauper left and they were back to their old ghetto tricks.

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You make a stand and a point for fair play even if they are your ally or not.

Last age after the pew2 fiasco we went to our then ally Havoc/Zauper for help. We asked them their position on it and they said they agreed with AMA/BB/EJ and we should raze the acres or they would help with the GB that was being threatened. You see if you power play your own "ally" they'd do the right thing. I wonder if AMA was aware that Havoc actually left us out to dry last age. Did AMA even thank Havoc for supporting their claims it was a farm out/fake war? No probably not. AMA go and deal break them this age and put their middle finger up as it is their only chance to crown.

If a few ages ago Rage was really against the whole Havoc vs Sanc situation, all they had to say was that they disagreed, would wave/war either sanc/Havoc so AMA can fight the other fairly. Everyone knows simians is always up for drama and their relations with Rage is good. At that time Simians had no reason to NOT help elit so it would have easily got turned to a 3v2 situation. You'd like to assume though that by that stage Sanc/Havoc would of been reasonable and choose to negotiate.

Once again though. This to me just smells like complete BS to get a crown. The QQing will continue from all sides and people will seek revenge next age which is wrong.

Agree with you on that one Elit! Just saying it could be interesting if we all agreed on no PF's, NAPs and such for an age or two :D As it is now we have a few KD's who just CF/NAP their way up and take it from there and when those few are in the top the small battle begins. Could be interesting to see how things would turn out, if no naps or cf's were made. I know we wouldn't be nearly as big, nor would you, if all these arrangements didn't freeze it all for 7-8 weeks. More KD's in play no ****play or dealbreaks cause it's all ****play and no deals. Let's call it a semi organized server war where ppl have fun. Don't spend week after week in pump mode, but need to be prepared to defend at all times. Just saying.

Who would crown such an age? I'm quite sure those KD's with hardcore leaders and the best and most active players will prove themselves worthy. Just more fun to do so without all those ****play threads and bad excuses after age is over.

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Originally Posted by American Badass

AMA go and deal break them this age and put their middle finger up as it is their only chance to crown.

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You really don't understand game. If our goal was to secure win age i wouldn't tell Pyro 24h early to up his draft and go fort stance. Was much more effective to wave pyro after Havoc go in fort stance and secure 100% age win from there. All what we did is for PUNISH Havoc for his arrogance making this topic and calling us farmers (its mean rage/pew pew/pyro/RK all are farms based to Havoc) after Havoc got for free 17k acres.

We had perfect good relation with Havoc till zauper was in charge with diplo and if his KD keep-ed his promise and extended deal how they told us there wont be all this drama and most like its will resulted Havoc win age. Grudges and pay back come first for me. Crowns dont really mater atm. Its wont make my kd better or less good if we win/loss it.

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Originally Posted by Elit

You really don't understand game. If our goal was to secure win age i wouldn't tell Pyro 24h early to up his draft and go fort stance. Was much more effective to wave pyro after Havoc go in fort stance and secure 100% age win from there. All what we did is for PUNISH Havoc for his arrogance making this topic and calling us farmers (its mean rage/pew pew/pyro/RK all are farms based to Havoc) after Havoc got for free 17k acres.

We had perfect good relation with Havoc till zauper was in charge with diplo and if his KD keep-ed his promise and extended deal how they told us there wont be all this drama and most like its will resulted Havoc win age. Grudges and pay back come first for me. Crowns dont really mater atm. Its wont make my kd better or less good if we win/loss it.

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its nice to see that the double dealbreak was considered too ^^

Sure Elit, you are so trustworthy, we all buy your stories

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Originally Posted by American Badass

You make a stand and a point for fair play even if they are your ally or not.

Last age after the pew2 fiasco we went to our then ally Havoc/Zauper for help. We asked them their position on it and they said they agreed with AMA/BB/EJ and we should raze the acres or they would help with the GB that was being threatened. You see if you power play your own "ally" they'd do the right thing. I wonder if AMA was aware that Havoc actually left us out to dry last age. Did AMA even thank Havoc for supporting their claims it was a farm out/fake war? No probably not. AMA go and deal break them this age and put their middle finger up as it is their only chance to crown.

If a few ages ago Rage was really against the whole Havoc vs Sanc situation, all they had to say was that they disagreed, would wave/war either sanc/Havoc so AMA can fight the other fairly. Everyone knows simians is always up for drama and their relations with Rage is good. At that time Simians had no reason to NOT help elit so it would have easily got turned to a 3v2 situation. You'd like to assume though that by that stage Sanc/Havoc would of been reasonable and choose to negotiate.

Once again though. This to me just smells like complete BS to get a crown. The QQing will continue from all sides and people will seek revenge next age which is wrong.

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My previous post explains why I didnt do that...it would destroy abs if kds start fighting and gbing each other and why would I ever want to do that when externally aabs has been **** playing age in age out. So yes its better to display a united front externally via all propaganda I wrote in forums and disagree internally, tell dorje we are no longer allies effective next age, and ultimately leave the kd when the prospect of being allied with havoc came up after I retired from leading.

Elit is right though when the ****play was happening no one really cared to intervene. This age no one would help havoc either as long as we razed the acres and agreed not to crown dont you see that . People are only wanting to gb us to secure crown for pyro or other kd in RBL/pew/pyro alliance however i dont see the point because it is a crown no one will respect and only laugh at them if its a crown they try to "claim" as whoever crowns this age will have had 0% chance to do so had we not taken havoc out.

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Originally Posted by Proteus

As for leaders who still play there... Nickmi founder/owner still plays in havoc who was main one behind the 2v1', maxi Ouse is in havoc who was a leader in sanc during 2v1, i believe hawk is there also who was a sanc leader, and some others. So yes its the same kd, especially after zauper left and they were back to their old ghetto tricks.

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Proteus, I've seen the logs. You were just as instrumental in that 2v1 as they were. I saw logs of you actually coordinating the 2v1 4 rounds ago so stfu dude. Should AMA have dealbroken themselves because you're playing in AMA? This will now be the 3rd round that I'm indirectly paying the price for you doing something stupid 4 rounds ago because AMA is a bunch of whiners who have to play the victim card every single round. The best part now though is you're the one telling me about it lol.

Myself, topsy, and zauper would never allow a 2v1 and we have the final say. There is exactly 0 instances where either one of us has a dealbreak or 2v1 attached to our name. Why do you think we tried so hard to make a deal? We didn't want some craziness like that to happen. The entire point of this thread was to get you guys to make a deal. You used it as a carte blanche to do whatever you wanted and almost everyone in utopia hates you for it. Maybe that should tell you something?