Suicide Squad VS FReakstyle

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Originally Posted by Goodwitch

They played the monarch/steward gig all age. The only reason Francis even admitted the deal break was because they were caught.

You know as well as me that the average kingdom does not keep records. And to be honest it doesn't matter anyway.
I have had conversations with Francis, Protector and Zauper from the very beginning. BEFORE FS hit SS!

To excuse FS by saying "oh well they tried to fix it" after they were caught is bs.
You say you need to see evidence and yet, you claim to have evidence but when asked for it everyone is told you can't share it.
Again showing justice is weighed on a different scale for different people.

I don't recall voting for you or anyone else to represent me or my kingdom. I am sure neither did 95% of the server. What makes it okay for you to decide whats right and whats wrong for the community? Why should we trust you , if you plainly demonstrate that fairness is not what you have in mind?

You took and are still taking Francis' word and making it law.

It is not SS or the kingdoms hitting FS that are ruining the game. It is leaders like those of FS and people that think they own the law like the mighty alliance

I remember all of you back from when you knew right from wrong and when you were fighting the good fight against the kind of people you turned into now. I am sad.

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Very good post IMO.

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Originally Posted by Feint

Then I take it and present to protector. Thank u. Also, we need more kills. The honor for both kingdoms still kinda high. I just loved the finale. Btw, FS, heard u can't wait to declare on me? Come on, I waiting. Knn pcb bo lampa FS

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Why not max out meter! You can do it!

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Originally Posted by Goodwitch

They played the monarch/steward gig all age. The only reason Francis even admitted the deal break was because they were caught.
You know as well as me that the average kingdom does not keep records. And to be honest it doesn't matter anyway.
I have had conversations with Francis, Protector and Zauper from the very beginning. BEFORE FS hit SS!
They played the monarch/steward gig all age. The only reason Francis even admitted the deal break was because they were caught.
To excuse FS by saying "oh well they tried to fix it" after they were caught is bs.

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I'm aware of the miscommunication and lack of passing stuff between each other between Francis and Loiso. Getting caught deal breaking is not good (obviously). A lot of what is done about a deal break is dictated by what is wanted by the kingdom that is deal broken since it's they who were wronged, the severity of the break, what happened after the break, and the repercussions of the break on the charts. Things are far more severe and likely to be actioned when it's a #1 vs #2 kd on a chart, or even top 10 or top 20 on any of the charts. Not saying these things are correct, but that’s normally how they’ve operated. Deal breaks are not all created equal, just like theft is not the same as murder. Been digging into this recently to gauge the severity of it and how it might have affected this action. However, that certainly is not the reasoning the people in SS and elsewhere initially put as the reason for the gangbang, which leads me to believe that they are pulling at straws and anything they can to make the people defending FS look stupid and strengthen their case. Why not lead with your best information in the first place rather than it come out after we've been fighting forever.

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Originally Posted by Goodwitch

You say you need to see evidence and yet, you claim to have evidence but when asked for it everyone is told you can't share it.

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You have not asked me for the evidence I have. If you want it, we can discuss in private about it since the post to give it all here would be even more tldr than this post already is going to be and I'm sorry for the tldr.

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Originally Posted by Goodwitch

Again showing justice is weighed on a different scale for different people.
I don't recall voting for you or anyone else to represent me or my kingdom. I am sure neither did 95% of the server. What makes it okay for you to decide whats right and whats wrong for the community? Why should we trust you , if you plainly demonstrate that fairness is not what you have in mind?

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My idea of justice is the same for every kingdom and every player. Turnaround is fair play. If you are willing to do it to others, it can be done to you. It’s really hard to police the entire game, and we’d honestly rather not because it inhibits our ability to play the game as well. We have to take time out of our day to try to sort through all of this crap as well, which I can tell you is not fun. That’s why the severity thing comes into play, and that’s also why we typically reserve this stuff for kingdoms in the top parts of the charts. There just aren’t enough people to action every little thing. You don’t have to take my judgement of fairness and justice to be law, but I have been playing since age 1 and I’ve seen almost everything at this point. Most versions of fair involve 1 v 1 as a starting point and everyone having the same resources and the same opportunity to make use of those resources as they say fit. You guys claim that a bigger kd hitting a smaller kingdom is not fair. You guys started out at the same point. The bigger kd made their advantages by their choices, the smaller their disadvantages via their choices. I say that it is “fair” for anyone to wave anyone, as long as the kds who wave smallers are willing to accept whatever treatment they dish out as fair to themselves. Mechanics dictate how 1 v 1 fights work, not me or you. Do I want a ton of bigger kds waving much smallers? Of course not. But, the honour charts are a tricky thing where the top 10 can be scattered all across the board. If they’re competing for the same thing and it’s near the end of the age, shouldn’t they be able to fight each other, regardless of other factors? Do you expect any different? I’m not saying a much smaller kd should take that much bigger to war. That’s silly. But it’s not illogical to think that FS was gonna wave SS considering their #1 v #2 status. Whether it is out of line is a different question entirely. Most people that I know want to see top 2 kds fight it out rather than avoid each other or farm past, be that right or wrong. The bigger issue is actually the mechanics that allow FS to wave and honour farm SS. When you’re supposed to be competing for the same goal, do we really want to say it’s out of line for the kd with the stronger position, who has worked equally hard to be where they are, to just not have a chance at their main competition? The argument that most on the FS side have made is that no kingdom should be gang-banged for hitting their main competition. You’re supposed to be competing and it’s a war game. There were no terms on the cf and there was no finalized war deal. I would agree that what FS did was not nice, at all. But in this instance it’s not deal breaking. It’s the natural fighting between top 10 kingdoms for honour within the confines of mechanics. Just like bigger kingdoms on the land charts waving me without talking to me. Yeah I’m pissed about it and yeah they know next time I have the drop on them they getting waved back. Turnaround is fair play. But me organizing a gang-bang over it would be called foul play by anyone with a brain, regardless of the other stuff the kd who hit me has done. My fault for being smaller, not getting diplo set up so they wouldn’t/couldn’t. I accept responsibility for being smaller and in a vulnerable position. Smaller kingdoms with tons of honour, who know they can get waved for lots of honour, have to take responsibility for all the land drops, lack of using pool, and general situation they’re in. If their main competition is above them and can wave them to win the honour crown, we should bail them out and punish the guy who was smart enough to put himself/herself in a position to win? REALLY? Even if that #2 kds main goal is not to win the honour charts, that doesn’t mean they’re not in a position to under the right circumstances and the #1 kd, no matter who it is, has the right to wave them, within reason.

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Originally Posted by Goodwitch

You took and are still taking Francis' word and making it law.
It is not SS or the kingdoms hitting FS that are ruining the game. It is leaders like those of FS and people that think they own the law like the mighty alliance

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Some of my information comes from Francis’ logs, others comes from elsewhere. I don’t take anyone’s word as law. I let logs from all over speak for themselves. I never once said SS and company were ruining the game. I’m well documented as saying the devs do a good enough job of that themselves. The community makes the rules, especially the ones who have been playing the longest and have the ability to action stuff when necessary. The top is constantly arguing among itself as to what is good for the way they play the game, as well as the game as a whole. What goes on down below affects the top, and vice versa. We’re all in this together. There is no mighty alliance. There are kingdoms from both side of last year’s alliance action on the same side in this case. There are only a few things that people up top don’t tolerate and I’ve already described many times what those things are.

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Originally Posted by Goodwitch

I remember all of you back from when you knew right from wrong and when you were fighting the good fight against the kind of people you turned into now. I am sad.

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I’m sorry we’ve disappointed you but honestly, if you don’t cross the gangbang line or the eoacf dealbreak line, you’re not gonna get cracked over the head with a shovel. Gotta have your ducks in a row 100% if you’re gonna go there. You have the right to start a gang-bang, just like we have the right to stop you. I don’t have to like FS or anyone else to decide to step in if/when other kds decide to do the same first. You don't violate other people's rights to have a 1 v 1 fight, and we won't step in.

SO SORRY FOR THE TLDR, JUST COULDN'T HELP MYSELF...

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Originally Posted by Goodwitch

well that happens when you bottomfeed... if you make that choice you cannot later use it as an excuse or complain about it...but I repeat myself

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Hitting for honor means hitting in NW range. Hitting in NW range isn't bottomfeeding.
When will you understand this? /facepalm

Is it just me or does this entire thread have some of the longest replies ever? I need a beer. However it is a good read over coffee and breakfast.

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Originally Posted by protector

Hitting for honor means hitting in NW range. Hitting in NW range isn't bottomfeeding.
When will you understand this? /facepalm

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perfect example of taking things out of context. the quote was in reference to someone making a statement about how low the land gains were because of the nw difference. So yea...that's what happens when you bottomfeed still applies.

Pale sorry stopped reading after you started making excuses for FS' behavior again. As I stated before I didn't vote for you as God. I didn't ask you to police things. Nor did a heavy majority of players. You do not have the right to judge anyone. So please do us all a favor and just say it like it is. The top 5 kingdoms decided that FS will win the crown and they fixed it. You used might for right. There is no "the community" decided...A handful of middle aged men that have nothing better to do than to act like they own the world even if it is just Utopia.

Had ss broken that deal with FS you would have definitely actioned them, or any other kingdom. Either you action all db or none. or you stop pretending you are doing it for the good of the game.

I have asked zauper to see evidence and was told he could not show me. I asked Francis for evidence and he said he will not. Now you say I can ask you and we can talk about it? how is this a fair process. I have been playing long enough to know all you guys, But someone that is new wouldn't even begin to know who to talk to,
How convenient.

Fact: The Community= EVERY PLAYER ON THE SERVER

and here another one of Francis' mails. And you wonder why people are leaving the game? And he apparently things this deal is worth a GB

> Lord Wormrot the Sorcerer of Meteor to the Face (FS) said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
i dont think you grasp the situation very well. we have only shown mercy because you claimed you are disbanding and lost half the kd. if i see you fight someone else instead, i will know it was all bs to dodge us and will treat you as dealbreakers. i assure you that you wont be having a 1v1 fight vs (kingdom that was waving) and perhaps really end up disbanding.

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Originally Posted by Pale

I'm aware of the miscommunication and lack of passing stuff between each other between Francis and Loiso. Getting caught deal breaking is not good (obviously). ..

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Dont jump to conclusions, we didnt have any deals with them, and id be very happy if we were presented what was the deal about? I can provide all logs about this issue as soon as im on computer in couple hours, but basic summary of the events are;
-we arrange a war
-they back out of it because their kd will disband, dragons are funded and all training/rebuilding done at this point
-we dont like this and keep asking for the war, but do not make any moves against them
-we make other plans and set a wave timer and another target
-they ask loiso if we are planning to hit them, and loiso says we wont that we got other plans
-they decide to go to war with another kd, claiming they got waved
-i go mad because they dont war us due to disbanding but would war someone else, we scrap other wave target and hit them instead, but only enough to give them button (8hits), and ask them to give us their promised war
-they get ed to hit us for like 6-7k acres (this is very early in the age and that was a lot)
-i find out loiso telling them we wont hit them cos we got our plans, and i apologize for it, and try to make whatever reparations possible, despite its not a dealbreak or anything
-we decide we are on even that they evaded our war agreement and get ed to hit us a lot, in return of us hitting them - so we end it immediately on good terms and move on to own ways

Taking a line out of context doesnt do anyone good, and still then i dont understand why a resolved issue would be brought up to justify other ****..

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Originally Posted by Goodwitch

perfect example of taking things out of context. the quote was in reference to someone making a statement about how low the land gains were because of the nw difference. So yea...that's what happens when you bottomfeed still applies.

Pale sorry stopped reading after you started making excuses for FS' behavior again. As I stated before I didn't vote for you as God. I didn't ask you to police things. Nor did a heavy majority of players. You do not have the right to judge anyone. So please do us all a favor and just say it like it is. The top 5 kingdoms decided that FS will win the crown and they fixed it. You used might for right. There is no "the community" decided...A handful of middle aged men that have nothing better to do than to act like they own the world even if it is just Utopia.

Had ss broken that deal with FS you would have definitely actioned them, or any other kingdom. Either you action all db or none. or you stop pretending you are doing it for the good of the game.

I have asked zauper to see evidence and was told he could not show me. I asked Francis for evidence and he said he will not. Now you say I can ask you and we can talk about it? how is this a fair process. I have been playing long enough to know all you guys, But someone that is new wouldn't even begin to know who to talk to,
How convenient.

Fact: The Community= EVERY PLAYER ON THE SERVER

and here another one of Francis' mails. And you wonder why people are leaving the game? And he apparently things this deal is worth a GB

> Lord Wormrot the Sorcerer of Meteor to the Face (FS) said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
i dont think you grasp the situation very well. we have only shown mercy because you claimed you are disbanding and lost half the kd. if i see you fight someone else instead, i will know it was all bs to dodge us and will treat you as dealbreakers. i assure you that you wont be having a 1v1 fight vs (kingdom that was waving) and perhaps really end up disbanding.

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You seem to have the entire pm log already, please share it all so its clearer whats going on, instead of picking things out of their context to make us look bad..

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Originally Posted by LoRD_SaMPuaN

Dont jump to conclusions, we didnt have any deals with them, and id be very happy if we were presented what was the deal about? I can provide all logs about this issue as soon as im on computer in couple hours, but basic summary of the events are;
-we arrange a war
-they back out of it because their kd will disband, dragons are funded and all training/rebuilding done at this point
-we dont like this and keep asking for the war, but do not make any moves against them
-we make other plans and set a wave timer and another target
-they ask loiso if we are planning to hit them, and loiso says we wont that we got other plans
-they decide to go to war with another kd, claiming they got waved
-i go mad because they dont war us due to disbanding but would war someone else, we scrap other wave target and hit them instead, but only enough to give them button (8hits), and ask them to give us their promised war
-they get ed to hit us for like 6-7k acres (this is very early in the age and that was a lot)
-i find out loiso telling them we wont hit them cos we got our plans, and i apologize for it, and try to make whatever reparations possible, despite its not a dealbreak or anything
-we decide we are on even that they evaded our war agreement and get ed to hit us a lot, in return of us hitting them - so we end it immediately on good terms and move on to own ways

Taking a line out of context doesnt do anyone good, and still then i dont understand why a resolved issue would be brought up to justify other ****..

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if you didn't have a deal like you claim, how can you threaten to treat them as dealbreakers ?

Francis I asked you days ago and you refused to show evidence. I will repay you with the same courtesy.
Pale and Zauper and Khronosshoty have received it.

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Originally Posted by Goodwitch

if you didn't have a deal like you claim, how can you threaten to treat them as dealbreakers ?

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Cant you read anything properly?

We had a war agreement, and they backed out of it. There wasnt any other deals.

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Originally Posted by LoRD_SaMPuaN

Cant you read anything properly?

We had a war agreement, and they backed out of it. There wasnt any other deals.

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so your king saying you won't hit them isn't binding then? interesting concept. Makes you a real treat to do diplo with

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Originally Posted by Goodwitch

if you didn't have a deal like you claim, how can you threaten to treat them as dealbreakers ?

Francis I asked you days ago and you refused to show evidence. I will repay you with the same courtesy.
Pale and Zauper and Khronosshoty have received it.

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....And they (the logs) do not look good for FS.

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Originally Posted by Goodwitch

so your king saying you won't hit them isn't binding then? interesting concept. Makes you a real treat to do diplo with

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It isnt binding, and there were plenty examples of 'we got other plans' wording getting twisted because plans always get cancelled.. But thats not something we would prefer to do, so we paid for it and moved on.. Reading those would clearly show that both sides did wrong, and called it even in the end.. It serves you better to show us as the evildoer instead right?

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Originally Posted by Goodwitch

so your king saying you won't hit them isn't binding then? interesting concept. Makes you a real treat to do diplo with

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And reading it through it looks like we have it from the lions mouth itself. (Francis and not just the ingame king)

(Meteor) "sure you can fight them, but why them and not us? i could have waved you and not back off as well and just decided to keep away out of respect instead."

> The Wealthy King said: > > > > Hello.

I just got waved by x:x.. not really what I wanted to do but doesn't look like they have any interest in backing off..seems like I will have to fight them.

Could I please have your blessing to fight them,,, if you could agree to cancel dragon and to leave us alone that would be most appreciated..

Frankly things had been going better and I was trying to get ready to make good on my province from a while ago.. but x:x waved me right as I was getting into fort..

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Originally Posted by Goodwitch

only maybe if you put it into context of them refusing to war the kingdom ss was going to war. and refusing offers to fight ss on level ground.

so hypothetical scenerio because I am sure they are all CFed..but... if say The U wave FS right out of EOWCF now(justification that there are provinces in range they can gain acres from)...would FS going to smile and take it or would they complain that it is unfair ? Would their allies leave it at a 1 vs 1 or would they intervene?

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#1 honor warring the #14 honor isn't neccecarily the best way to 'secure' a spot. It can very likely result in honor losses. Why risk that?