AMA vs sanct round 2

Once again PS proves that he cant discuss without resorting to name calling. Its not surprsing thou. But him playing in a Absalom kingdom kinda explains all thes ****ty pro-Abs posts I was afraid he was just a fanboy for a moment.

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Hostile Blocking a KD after getting notice, etc wont get a reaction is clearly not living in this world called REALITY...

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Its ironic that you talk about Reality cause you seem to think that Sanctuary stealing a ****load of gold should get unpunished. When in reality they would be punished as they were now. Quite ironic that you call it "hostile block" as well since it was Sanctuary that iniated the conflict with AMA not the other way around. But I guess you brilliant chain of thoughts are "Sanctuary is on AMA pay roll and Elit is the puppetmaster" ? In REALITY there is consequense when you steal something as there was here, pretty simple train of thought here I am sure you can follow.

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Elit was so sure he would stomp Havoc, or even Rage for that matter, why did he wave a KD for stealing that he cant war to dodge the notice of one until he could farm alot more acres and explore up and ask for an EOA CF from other. I love when n00bs say Sanctuary had the best war setup in Absalom when actually they had the one most geared for whoring. Priceless...

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Maybe I didnt say this earlier but in the game, you can read the guide if you dont believe me there is no size range for warring a kingdom as soon as both kingdoms maxed their hostile meters. But I guess in your reality you would just sit there bend over some more when someone is stealing your money.

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We never claimed to be saints. Just better and carrying bigger sticks lol.

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Then you never read anything that ASF posted.

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Means you work together to ensure the best outcome for all.

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Obviously you havent played in Absalom that much if you think thats true.

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yet MA didnt when they had even more advanced notice.

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They got noticed at the same time, or if you think informing that you will notice someone constitues as a notice in itself then I am sure thats a breach of conduct.

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so what if Sanc steals from them during a notice period.

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Well you see, jdorje considers stealing is a hostile act which made what Havoc did effectively a double hostile and since you claim that Absalom is such a fair and honorable alliance it seems pretty weird? It's also worth to mention that Sanc stole also from Havoc if you did miss that. Intra-alliance gold farming is really fair and honourable! ;)

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Originally Posted by guard14n

If a second grader can see through ur BS then u either upgrade the level of "I have nothing to say so i will just troll" esse or stop saying stupid things at all mate :D

And i wish i was second grade! It was fun then. I hope u were at least born when i was in second grade tho :D


Yey u dont like me ! Im famous ! :)

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You've still yet to prove ANY of your points. If you're going to try to call someone's bluff, you should have facts to back it up. Until then, go play some more Club Penguin.

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Originally Posted by Proteus

Fair thing to do would be to admit you lost fight and lost good amount of acres and not make excuses about it. If you did not try to deny it or make excuses no one would even say anything.

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Only reason Rage got CF with us this age and loss 12k only is ABS alliance spend 4 days to insist CF Rage and use alot "arguments". If you was solo kd you will be farmed for bad don't matter if you declare war or not. Don't talk high when every time you are hide under ABS when you are in troubles.

All you have to say is "my father" and all your troubles go away...some one is going to lose a hand

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Originally Posted by shakenbridge

You've still yet to prove ANY of your points. If you're going to try to call someone's bluff, you should have facts to back it up. Until then, go play some more Club Penguin.

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Well my friend u see i dont need to prove anything. Im saying everything i want like i see it. Its personal opinion u see. If u need me to prove something come with me in court. As far as im concerned by reading all the post - i dont need to prove that ABS are saying pure garbage cuz it speaks for itself. When u are constantly trying to change the subject to past events, with misleading posts, with 1000 rows propaganda posts its just obvious u are deflecting. I dont agree with them and i express my opinion here. If u dont like it - sry ! :)

Everyone knows that ABS' posts are pure BS atm even Palem, DHaran and Bishop claimed their actions shady at best :) All i wanna hear from them is that it was crappy move and it was planned. Then we can all move on :)

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Originally Posted by guard14n

Well my friend u see i dont need to prove anything. Im saying things how i see them. Its personal opinion u see. If u need me to prove something come with me in court. As far as i can see it reading all the post i dont need to prove that ABS are saying pure garbage cuz it speaks for itself. When u constantly trying to change the subject to past events, with misleading posts, with 1000 rows propaganda posts its just obvious. I dont agree with them and i express my opinion here. If u dont like it - sry ! :)

Everyone knows that ABS' posts are pure BS atm even Palem, DHaran and Bishop claimed their actions shady at best :) All i wanna hear from them is that it was crappy move and it was planned. Then we can all move on :)

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Everybody else is expressing their personal opinion, but because it's not yours it's all BS. I see now. Hating on ABS because it's "cool" doesn't make you look any better. Saying that doesn't make me a ABS fan - I'm an unbiased observer. I have no affiliation with either KD or any member of them.

Also, by saying "come with me to court", that confirms you don't know anything about what you're talking about. You and Proteus should trade notes on how to get courts and lawyers involved with trivial matters like Utopia. ;)

On that note, I feel the best thing to do is to ignore you and move on, so I will do just that.

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Originally Posted by Korp

Once again PS proves that he cant discuss without resorting to name calling. Its not surprsing thou. But him playing in a Absalom kingdom kinda explains all thes ****ty pro-Abs posts I was afraid he was just a fanboy for a moment.

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Nowhere in that quote did I name-call. You just have a hard-on for me, I understand lol.

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Originally Posted by Korp

Its ironic that you talk about Reality cause you seem to think that Sanctuary stealing a ****load of gold should get unpunished. When in reality they would be punished as they were now. Quite ironic that you call it "hostile block" as well since it was Sanctuary that iniated the conflict with AMA not the other way around. But I guess you brilliant chain of thoughts are "Sanctuary is on AMA pay roll and Elit is the puppetmaster" ? In REALITY there is consequense when you steal something as there was here, pretty simple train of thought here I am sure you can follow.

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Its ironic that MA thought they could target-share Havoc then expect Havoc to not wave them for waving their ally who only stole GC like the people who MA target-shared Havoc did. AMA initiated the "stealing" interference with their target-sharing. Sanc was simply returning the favor of stealing during relations that AMA and their allies seem to be fans of, Elit included. In REALITY its probably not the smartest move to wave a KD's ally after targetsharing them and receiving notice from them that puts you in a situation where they can wave you. But hey I might me crazy and way of-base LMAO.

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Originally Posted by Korp

Maybe I didnt say this earlier but in the game, you can read the guide if you dont believe me there is no size range for warring a kingdom as soon as both kingdoms maxed their hostile meters. But I guess in your reality you would just sit there bend over some more when someone is stealing your money.

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We all know what is meant by size range (ie declare range to declare war without maxing meter). If meter needs to be maxed that means war is decided before it has even started, end of story. Only one side can win when meter needs to be maxed, or please provide example that proves otherwise.

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Originally Posted by Korp

Then you never read anything that ASF posted.

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How is that? Absalom has tried to "encourage" fair play, it by no means will allow things that go against what is determined to be fair at a given point in time and is flexible in application.

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Originally Posted by Korp

Obviously you havent played in Absalom that much if you think thats true.

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From my experience with Absalom both in the past and currently they work together for the benefit of all their KD's. But not so far as to outright play unfairly to do so, they try to maintain independence between their KD's. They are not mutually exclusive.

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Originally Posted by Korp

They got noticed at the same time, or if you think informing that you will notice someone constitues as a notice in itself then I am sure thats a breach of conduct.

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They was not noticed at same time. AMA was noticed first then Sanc. I only stated that Sanc had not advance notice of a coming notice while AMA had a 4 day advance notice that notice was coming at EOW. If I still ran that KD I would not have gave such advance notice, precisely because of what AMA did, but I also think it was extremely fair and AMA obviously planned waving Sanc if they had 14+ online right at EOW to wave Sanc within minutes of discovering theft from a prov that had supposedly not even been around.

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Originally Posted by Korp

Well you see, jdorje considers stealing is a hostile act which made what Havoc did effectively a double hostile and since you claim that Absalom is such a fair and honorable alliance it seems pretty weird? It's also worth to mention that Sanc stole also from Havoc if you did miss that. Intra-alliance gold farming is really fair and honourable! ;)

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Well you see, Elit and company dont think stealing is a Hostile act. Something they have repeated endlessly on these forums as justifications for some of their actions. Sorry you cant have it both ways. Absalom is more fair and honorable than any other alliance that exists now and most in past besides PROPHECY, Legacy, TR, and Zaupers. Rest was nothing but outright powerplaying GB'ing scum lol. Sanc wouldve never been able to steal from Havoc had Elit not made his dumb baseless accusations of intra-farming gold, so he got his wish due to goodz again trying to be nice and someone being pissed about people spouting mouths and BS. This is also after being target-shared by someone who your defending. But AABS is always biased...

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Originally Posted by shakenbridge

Everybody else is expressing their personal opinion, but because it's not yours it's all BS. I see now. Hating on ABS because it's "cool" doesn't make you look any better. Saying that doesn't make me a ABS fan - I'm an unbiased observer. I have no affiliation with either KD or any member of them.

Also, by saying "come with me to court", that confirms you don't know anything about what you're talking about. You and Proteus should trade notes on how to get courts and lawyers involved with trivial matters like Utopia. ;)

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As before u give me the literal expression treatment! It was an expression that i see u are not used to. I think u need either to get laid or get some scense of humor at some degree. U see i rly dont give a rat butt hole of what u think. I agree with rational explenations and ur statement "because it's not yours it's all BS' is misleading and kinda trolly. I dont "hate" ABS and i sure as hell dont hate them cuz its cool :) I just dont like them deal with it. I am not unbiased altho i dont know anyone from Elit's kd. I just wanna help AMA get a confession that ABS screwed them over on purpose thats all :) If u dont like my posts just dont read them the same as i dont read tak3shi's posts :)

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Nowhere in that quote did I name-call. You just have a hard-on for me, I understand lol.

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I let you figure this one out yourself but its there you just have to look for it.

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Its ironic that MA thought they could target-share Havoc then expect Havoc to not wave them for waving their ally who only stole GC like the people who MA target-shared Havoc did. AMA initiated the "stealing" interference with their target-sharing. Sanc was simply returning the favor of stealing during relations that AMA and their allies seem to be fans of, Elit included. In REALITY its probably not the smartest move to wave a KD's ally after targetsharing them and receiving notice from them that puts you in a situation where they can wave you. But hey I might me crazy and way of-base LMAO.

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So, to prove a point Havoc needs to double hostile them? Thats big balls there, just shows they cant handle them on their own. Besides, its been well known that Havoc is a living gold farm all age. What relations? There was no relations when Sanc stole from AMA, I think you are really confused. (Besides ASF been preaching in this thread how Sanc wanted a cf all the time pretty strange way to show that dont you think?) I guess you would let people steal your money and then do nothing, thanks you will be my personal gold farm next age. Now you're just confusing, please be more coherent.

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We all know what is meant by size range (ie declare range to declare war without maxing meter). If meter needs to be maxed that means war is decided before it has even started, end of story. Only one side can win when meter needs to be maxed, or please provide example that proves otherwise.

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Now you just trying to save face, there is no declare range period. Its okey to not know these kind of things you are after all quite new to utopia again. Nothing to be ashamed off!

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How is that? Absalom has tried to "encourage" fair play, it by no means will allow things that go against what is determined to be fair at a given point in time and is flexible in application.

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They encourage fair play with double hostiles, vulturing? Strange way to encourage something.

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From my experience with Absalom both in the past and currently they work together for the benefit of all their KD's. But not so far as to outright play unfairly to do so, they try to maintain independence between their KD's. They are not mutually exclusive.

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Then I am afraid you dont know **** :) But this I guess just proves what a fanboy you are.

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They was not noticed at same time. AMA was noticed first then Sanc. I only stated that Sanc had not advance notice of a coming notice while AMA had a 4 day advance notice that notice was coming at EOW. If I still ran that KD I would not have gave such advance notice, precisely because of what AMA did, but I also think it was extremely fair and AMA obviously planned waving Sanc if they had 14+ online right at EOW to wave Sanc within minutes of discovering theft from a prov that had supposedly not even been around.

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Its not a advance notice, if it was a notice then it would be a breach of the deal their made. How you dont get that is beyond me. Yea, you people like to claim that but you have no proof of it so its just speculations at best.

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ell you see, Elit and company dont think stealing is a Hostile act. Something they have repeated endlessly on these forums as justifications for some of their actions. Sorry you cant have it both ways. Absalom is more fair and honorable than any other alliance that exists now and most in past besides PROPHECY, Legacy, TR, and Zaupers. Rest was nothing but outright powerplaying GB'ing scum lol. Sanc wouldve never been able to steal from Havoc had Elit not made his dumb baseless accusations of intra-farming gold, so he got his wish due to goodz again trying to be nice and someone being pissed about people spouting mouths and BS. This is also after being target-shared by someone who your defending. But AABS is always biased...

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No, the hostile started when Sanc retalled them most likely cause that seems rather logical. Not opinions like jdorjes. You dont know much about the alliances of Utopia apparently, but its quite obvious, actually you kinda sound like a newb when you talk about alliances like that. I been around on the recieving end so many times when Absalom pulled lame **** so I dont buy into your propaganda but its okey. I probably played longer in Abs than you have :/ But its okey, you can keep on being an Absalom fanboy its okey, but dont do it here please :(

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Originally Posted by PhoenixScorpion

Nowhere in that quote did I name-call. You just have a hard-on for me, I understand lol.



Its ironic that MA thought they could target-share Havoc then expect Havoc to not wave them for waving their ally who only stole GC like the people who MA target-shared Havoc did. AMA initiated the "stealing" interference with their target-sharing. Sanc was simply returning the favor of stealing during relations that AMA and their allies seem to be fans of, Elit included. In REALITY its probably not the smartest move to wave a KD's ally after targetsharing them and receiving notice from them that puts you in a situation where they can wave you. But hey I might me crazy and way of-base LMAO.




We all know what is meant by size range (ie declare range to declare war without maxing meter). If meter needs to be maxed that means war is decided before it has even started, end of story. Only one side can win when meter needs to be maxed, or please provide example that proves otherwise.




How is that? Absalom has tried to "encourage" fair play, it by no means will allow things that go against what is determined to be fair at a given point in time and is flexible in application.




From my experience with Absalom both in the past and currently they work together for the benefit of all their KD's. But not so far as to outright play unfairly to do so, they try to maintain independence between their KD's. They are not mutually exclusive.




They was not noticed at same time. AMA was noticed first then Sanc. I only stated that Sanc had not advance notice of a coming notice while AMA had a 4 day advance notice that notice was coming at EOW. If I still ran that KD I would not have gave such advance notice, precisely because of what AMA did, but I also think it was extremely fair and AMA obviously planned waving Sanc if they had 14+ online right at EOW to wave Sanc within minutes of discovering theft from a prov that had supposedly not even been around.



Well you see, Elit and company dont think stealing is a Hostile act. Something they have repeated endlessly on these forums as justifications for some of their actions. Sorry you cant have it both ways. Absalom is more fair and honorable than any other alliance that exists now and most in past besides PROPHECY, Legacy, TR, and Zaupers. Rest was nothing but outright powerplaying GB'ing scum lol. Sanc wouldve never been able to steal from Havoc had Elit not made his dumb baseless accusations of intra-farming gold, so he got his wish due to goodz again trying to be nice and someone being pissed about people spouting mouths and BS. This is also after being target-shared by someone who your defending. But AABS is always biased...

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U sound like one of them world of warcraft turbonerds.

I think most of the pressure to perform is on Havoc this war. It's fairly obvious ELit is fighting less prepared doing what he can. I will say it right now if Havoc looses on this war there nothing more then a ghetto, no excuses or exceptions. Havoc Loose=Ghetto

lol @PS - last time I delt with him he was all mouth and rude manners then poof half way through the age he went from 25 prov kingdom to like 19 and his prov was gone. nothing changes

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Originally Posted by Crazy Pete

I think most of the pressure to perform is on Havoc this war. It's fairly obvious ELit is fighting less prepared doing what he can. I will say it right now if Havoc looses on this war there nothing more then a ghetto, no excuses or exceptions. Havoc Loose=Ghetto

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elit rules :)

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Originally Posted by AquaSeaFoam

No, it has not in any way been "proven false" that Elit was trying to use Sanc to dodge notice with Havoc.

When Havoc noticed Elit, his initial response was, "We still don't have re-cf with sanctuary and they have dragon vs us. When its sloved we can get notice."

When Havoc pointed out that their deal did not require Elit to have cf deals with everyone else, just no active hostiles/wars at the time, Elit then quickly waved Sanc. He then again told them their notice was invalid. But the notice deal didn't have anything saying that they had to retract notice if the kingdom they noticed went and waved someone else after getting notice.

As has been said many times, Sanctury has generally made it known including on these forums that they were open to a cf with Elit. havoc told Elit in advance they would notice him as soon as his post war was over (and did.) Elit never made any effort to cf sanc and rejected any cf attempts Sanc made.

I'm not saying Elit was scared of Havoc. I think Elit felt it was a tough fight that wasn't a sure win so he wanted to buy some time to use his stocked up pool and pump on it which would have then made it impossible for Havoc to have any chance. He thought he was going for the "sure thing" by dodging notice to use his pool, but instead he exposed himself to a worse position.

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This sums it up IMO, it is how I have seen it from the start.

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Originally Posted by DM_Benjamin

This sums it up IMO, it is how I have seen it from the start.

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So what you are saying is that Elit planned that Sanc would steal his goldcoins so he would have a "reason" to wave sanctuary so they could escape from getting waved by Havoc?

So, being open to a CF for you is stealing 100~ mil gc from a kingdom?

Stop brownnosing please :(