there are more stones than Pu'aki's. His is tethering t'a'u'weke using it as an anchor. we could use the bag that, for instance, Amkeira just brought to him.
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there are more stones than Pu'aki's. His is tethering t'a'u'weke using it as an anchor. we could use the bag that, for instance, Amkeira just brought to him.
Okay. I suppose the mythology I've thought of and written about is the idea magicite is rare and powerful.. it stands to reason the stones are found on the island in unrefined forms (see: a fraction of the power as refined magicite). I guess what I was considering is the stone Pu'aki has, that embodies his power and possibly symbolizes leadership in the village is naturally occurring refined magicite - something I brought up in a post some time ago before we left the airship. I'm not demanding we take this course, merely suggesting the logic for consideration.
Edit: I feel this also helps vindicate our reason for helping the son remove his corrupt father - aside from pure nobility.
Ren - the spear wasnt meant to destroy anything, only show the villagers that thier god was not supporting Pu'aki, but was in favor of Weka'u who was without one of thier 'holy stones.'
Everyone - I thought we were supposed to be passive and defensive and let Weka'u do the fighting. Basically just to stop the villagers from getting between them and put a damper on Pu'aki's magic. If it turns in to a full skirmish, then I think the whole purpose of the village visit is contradictory. Basically, having Jasper take the amulet, and Cailey causing the flashbomb, we've essentially gone on the offensive. Amateria was right to accuse the Dawn crew of stealing thier holy stones when Pu'aki's just flew magically through the air into thier lap. Realistically, the priesthood would now attack the crew and Weka'u since he brought them as his allies. Unless someone wants to edit thier post, my next post will reflect the sentiments above. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for the whole "ok on to plan B" kind of action, but I'm not sure it's where Geco wanted to go, so I'll hold off for his decision since he called for this (hopefully brief) pause.
@Geco yeah I forgot to spell check I didn't realise I had inexorable in there twice I deleted part of it and thought I had deleted that line. I still wanted to have it in there.
Ok I guess I didn't explain everything well enough. First, Rensha was indeed correct Cailey was refering to her spell the Chenkari as being veiled. From my understanding through reading everyone's post the natives can not feel or sense magic, but they can see if I light a flame. So Cailey made her magic invisible to the naked eye so they would not see the spinning balls of light.
Second the names. Again that is my bad I looked back at my posts and I have continually misspelled the names. Sorry I will make an effort to correct that in future posts.
And finally I did not meant to make my magic offensive. If anything Cailey was trying to add on to the 'higher power' intervening that Arlen reffered to earlier. I would have to say a sudden out of the blue flash of blinding light might settle people down pretty quick. Not to mention it was to help distract him long enough for someone to make a move at the necklace.
I gotcha now Drice, that makes so much more sense.
Basically what Shari has said is correct. The idea was to be rather passive unless we get Pu'aki out of the village. My initial thoughts were that he'd flee after a brief exchange to the Temple. We'd stay behind in the village to restore order, and let Weka'u explain, and the village would come to agree that we were there to help, and then we could go kill Pu'aki with there blessing, so to speak.
It should be evident my character is a bit of a walking contradiction. He's a theif and a scoundrel, but he has his own sense of what's right and thus deceiving or attacking the villagers is outside his morally justified zone. It's that whole Robin Hood persona, you can do bad to bad people, but not to the innocent.
I'll give SoHee til tomorrow to reply, but I think we've cleared things up enough that we can safely move on.
Oh, and Phoenix, you were thinking the same thing I was - and I was in fact still playing off that earlier reference to raw magicite. We'll get a larger piece that should work long enough to get to port a find a proper replacement. It is our reward for helping.
With the fire I took some liberty to working in some development of Jade/Jasper's connection that I've been waiting for. But yes, they wouldn't have been totally effected by the fire if they were standing behind Arlen and the magical protective shield was up. I figured I could stretch the truth a bit so that the twins got a taste of the fire, before the shield was up, but less than Arlen. And if Jade was indeed just a bit behind Arlen and he dove to cover the Captain he would move away, so I figured it wasn't too much of a stretch for some fire to hit them.
Jasper could have been sneaking up behind and snatching the stone, yes, but I've also hinted at before that he has telekinesis, of some sort. And I have mentioned it in both writing and OOC earlier and gotten no objection, but if that's a "no, no" we can just change it. Up til now he's been using it to help Jade during surgeries and the like, but I won't use it much, if it is a problem. Let's say he just snatched the necklace instead in that case.
And if you didn't get what I was trying to hint at with my last paragraphs, then let me know and I can explain it further.
edit: added some more thoughts/explanations :) pretty early around my parts of the world...
Oh, and since Jasper didn't actually touch the necklace, the villagers could interpret it as a divine intervention from their god, as "he" is giving it to its right bearer when the other one has grown corrupt. At least that was my thought. If they want to interpret it as a hostile action from the group, yes that is quite probable as well....
I like your post, SoHee. The connection between siblings - transcending the ethereal world (both ways), represented with shared physical actions and consequences. I understood it from the getgo.. and I like it being ambiguous and vague. My own posts have been the same since October - hinting at one thing or another. The reader might see the whole picture despite some pondering, and the characters get to piece the puzzle together over time. It's delightful and the one of the only solid ways for continuing character development within this kind of forum rping.
oh thanks Phoenix! It's good to know that at least one understood my tired ramblings before going to bed last night :)
sohee - I liked it too, just didn't know if it was the stone that was doing it, or the flames.
Shari - 2 things. First - my message about the obsidian spear destroying magicite, that was a goad for you guys to secretly help destroy it should Weka'u try to break it. That's all. :) Second - jasper did it from afar and we were attacked. Villagers would not assume that we would just sit there like ducks in a row. We reacted. Also, since Cailey's magic was shrouded, then it would appear that weka'u (since it was coming from him) was sending the flash. All pretty spectacular to the people. probably as afraid of him as they are of Pu'aki now...
Really, we are in the right to fight back against Pu'aki, cause he attacked our characters first. Really, Weka'u was having a dispute, and he attacked the crew. I see no problem with our characters defending themselves but allowing weka'u to be the main aggressor. We just step in to help him (mages) and our fighters make sure no one tries to take out Weka'u... which... I was hoping to throw in there... but... you know.
more or less, intimidation over true attack was the plan.
geco/arch - I never refered it to being refined. I saw mentioned it as a decorated stone. I thought you said that refined magicite is liquid-ish. my bad. Either way, i figured two things. Like geco said - a stone we could use to power the ship until it got to port and we can refuel for a small fortune. OR we could refine a few stones to get the required amount and tell no one of the island.
I figured that magicite is more like oil. Not necessarily rare, but hard to find without proper instrumentation and knowledge. Most of all, permission (the Dominion's true motive, as all great nations, is not people, but resource control. land is just dirt and people are just expense. it's what is under the ground that matters.). Then refining it also is a process of delicacy. If it wasn't abundant than the Dominion would not have made as many flying machines as they have, nor would airships have been as common as was stated at the outset.
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basically all that to say.... make the stone what you want it to be. refined or not. :)
SoHee, thanks for clearing. Everything's fine, I honestly was just kind of surprised by everything, and like Ren, was unsure of the source of the cause, the connection was evident, but the why I still don't really know (if it's as simple as the fire then I'm just over thinking this).
Yes, Ren's right, once we are attacked we have a right to defend ourselves, although it's still a delicate situation. We're defensive, not passive.
Phoenix, you can decide what you want in regards to the form of the magicite, it's not a big deal. I'll assume though that the refining process is a large scale industry, and there's no way we could up and refine magicite on the spot. All that matters to us is that the fire stones are a kind of raw magicite and we can use them somehow to power the ship.
Going to hockey, but will post when I get back.
Then I think you are indeed overthinking it :)
it was simply just the wave of fire that Pu'aki send out at them, the same fire that Arlen protected Gabe of. So no weird connection to something else...
Ren - One point I think Geco is trying to make is that I think there was a preconceived idea of what we were trying to accomplish in the hut. The confrontation would be between son and father, Pu'aki would flee and we would intercept. You're right that we should defend ourselves, I just think the scene was set up otherwise - and Geco didn't initiate the aggression/attack - you RP'd the flame wave. Personally, lets roll with it - I think the chaos within this hut is awesome - the crowd of villagers, some angry, some panicked, all confused. We're caught in the middle of a civil dispute that has finally come to head (perhaps we were the catalyst, but we can rest assured we're have the moral advantage). I'm not disagreeing w/ the scene, just hoping this will clear up confusion as to what has just happened versus what was intended.
As for magicite, perhaps I should have spent more time in previous posts elucidating its properties. Geco is correct in that I imagined the refining process is at a magnitude beyond our capabilities (and most nations). I think the power of Dominia stems from their near complete control of the technology; the manufacturing of magicite engines/reactors, refinement of magicite stones, and possession of key mining sites.
Magicite itself is more than just a natural resource - it is a physical form of magic.. so beyond an energy source to exploit, I like the idea that magicite has attributes that can be tapped into for various means. In Pu'akis example, he can manipulate and generate fire. A perfect example.
As for its physical properties, I imagined it as a crystalized/stone/solid form - as small as gemstones to as large as chunks of ore. Different elements have different strength, different attributes and varying capabilities. When used to generate power, both unrefined and refined magicite can be fed to a reactor. The former is brutish, rather unreliable, and "burns" with decreased efficiency. Refined is quite the contrary - and thus coveted appropriately.
As for the refining process, preliminarily I hadn't imagined that the physical properties change form through a chemical process - i.e. solid to liquid/gas. This might be more ambiguous, tapping into the magical mythology surrounding magicite.
So to these economic principles I completely agree with. The exporting and control of such technology (including airship design) is tightly controlled and embodies Dominian power. That being said, other nations posses military capability in the air of note; while strength of arms in combat is often one sided, the very idea of Archamae's profession indicates that she is necessary to counter enemy air power.Quote:
I figured that magicite is more like oil. Not necessarily rare, but hard to find without proper instrumentation and knowledge. Most of all, permission (the Dominion's true motive, as all great nations, is not people, but resource control. land is just dirt and people are just expense. it's what is under the ground that matters.). Then refining it also is a process of delicacy. If it wasn't abundant than the Dominion would not have made as many flying machines as they have, nor would airships have been as common as was stated at the outset.
basically, we're on the same page then, and just have different perspectives on extremely minor details. :)
Geco - glad you approve, that's how I was going to deal with it. I figure we can just get this done and move along.. ya know?
Arch - good explaination. we need to save taht for sometime later. I have the same visual imagining. As for refined, i feel it's more of a 'treatment' that makes it 'aligned' for use in a reactor. Not that it is reduced or changed much visually, necessarily. Really what it does is DEstabilize it so that it easily releases it's condensed magical power with much more ease. Whereas, in a crystallized form, it's very stable. Almost like a packet of energy that is stable and happy, like a molecule that is properly balanced. It's happy and doesn't want to bond with anything else, or lose what it has.
that's how I think about it. Am I right? Wrong? I'd like to know so I don't mess it up. I love FF, and that's pretty much the viewpoint i'm putting on it, with obvious changes of our story (no Espers... ... yet T'a'u'weke/ifrit trapped in the magicite anyone? ^_^).