Everyone that plays utopia at the top knows how badly AB wants fame and have a say in top politics. #tryhard
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Everyone that plays utopia at the top knows how badly AB wants fame and have a say in top politics. #tryhard
[10:14] <Elit> are you prefer to get hit and we wd or we make mp?
[10:22] <Elit> can i get reply?
[10:24] <Drixx> I replied many times. For warwin we want our cows back what size they were. You may ask for other things if you like.
[10:24] <Elit> k
[10:27] <Elit> sorry its wont leve me other choice for keep it too
[10:28] <Elit> and congrats for WW, decide to not hit your cows more
[10:29] <Drixx> I will work to end this GB if you want me to
[10:29] <Elit> not after we did WD
[10:29] <Elit> i told several times its last chance for all
[10:30] <Elit> now we can work over deal only if havoc agree to war with pyro being 15k smaller how they was before gb
[10:30] <Elit> or we will work for make them much more smaller and hit them in war too
Poor Rage, had they only listened to me like the 900 other times they refused. Tsk, tsk.
You were kicked out of rage, why would they listen to you? I bet you are out of pew2 before the end of next age also.... See the theme here.... I'll bet 20 creds on it right now to someone
"To have good allies, you must first be a good ally." - ASFQuote:
Originally Posted by PhoenixScorpion
It's one of the things he told me was most important. I bear no inherent ill will towards AMA nor Elit. In fact, I admire Elit because I cannot think of a single instance where he ****played someone unless they had previously ****played him. But a dealbreak is a dealbreak and when an ally calls, the true ally answers, even if it costs.
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Originally Posted by DM_Benjamin
PS is holding an account hostage so pew can't kick him lol
Flowery words.. to fool 3 yr old kids. =)Quote:
Originally Posted by Drixx
I was not kicked out of Rage. I was actually still in their leadership/private channel until the GB happened. I was also in Rage for several Ages and tried to be loyal to Drixx. Didnt you already Rage quit again this Age, how many times have you quit since I have been back now?Quote:
Originally Posted by DM_Benjamin
I also left Havoc because I wanted to and was not booted, I have the logs too if you would like to see them. Actually I have the ones from Rage as well.
Just because all of you want to think the worst of me is not my problem I could care less, I have been more successful in this game than all you that hate me and that is really all that matters. If you think it is new experience for me to have people lie, down-talk, etc then you are sorely mistaken. Now go ragequit again and live your lonely life and stop worrying about me anyways it is getting kind of weird honestly. You need a girl, oh wait thats right....
Understandable and all, but if you really wanted to learn about this game you would do it continually and not just in isolated cases. Had you guys not been so quick to isolate me I could have sorted the entire situation. Now you are slowly coming around to the table, when I could have got you and everyone involved a much better deal than any of you are getting now. I have no idea why people flat out refuse to admit it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drixx
I dont know what "hostage" means. The province belongs to the account, a player can decide to defect, be razed, etc. It is true I went off reservation due to some interanl issues which came to a head when GB happened and things escalated. Things which have now been sorted, not like it is your concern or you know what you are talking about. Lately it just seems you have been saying a lot of stuff to feel important. Too bad this wont make you important and you have really more made yourself look silly, posting convo's, acting like you have some interest in fairplay when you had to be asked and trained into leadership Funny how you have such a big ego when you are a nobody and have done nothing. Must make you feel special to keep talking about me, I love my fans I told you.Quote:
Originally Posted by American Badass
After reading this forum, it's pretty dumb for you to say I'm someone else.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crazy Pete
(Evil twin) please come in, what was your name again?Quote:
Originally Posted by scitzo
PS, "hostage" means you will not give it the account back to pew and they have to accept you being there otherwise you A) delete the province or B) Raze them by following through your threat you said would happen to them which would cost them time, acres, money and an account. Pretty childish if you ask me.
January 8 of YR9 Chip the glasses and (PEW) attempted to invade 12 bDRTzmuwMnQ (RAGE).
Maybe great mind thinks alike~! xDQuote:
Originally Posted by American Badass
Well I am typing to myself ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by scitzo
Maybe you should ask yourself why you got hit? When you stab someone in the back dont be mad when they stab you back with your own knife. I did nothing but try to help you, and got censored and banned because of it. Had you listened to me you wouldn't have been in the situation you are right now, simple as that. I wont deny what I did was wrong, but my feelings were extremely hurt. Sometimes that gets the best of you. Combined with fact my hit and actions had the effect I wanted which was a disruption in the support of your GB. Seems my plan worked because where is all of your support now? Rest like I said that is the past and been sorted, I also can tell you one thing. Tox, Ryan, Binar, etc have listened to me more than any of you ever have we had severe disagreements yet was able to talk them out and come to some sense and an understanding. Wish the same could have happened there, sadly that was not the case. I have no ill will towards the KD, just honestly got sick of being ignored, powerplayed, lied to, and insulted by Drixx.Quote:
Originally Posted by American Badass
Why does AMA like pyro so much? Giving 4 big cow hits and now CF. If pyro war CR, CR needs to be 15k or smaller or AMA will raze into war? Also 'saves' them from simians early age?
Wasent pyro with PP and CR in this preage anti-AMA alliance? Or did cJ lick enuff AMA ass over the last week or so?
I guess Pyro want the crown that much, that he decided to betray everyone that have help him before... just my assumption.Quote:
Originally Posted by NoseBlood
If they would come out and explain, that will be great
So keen on that bet PS or not?
You would have to be playing to bet me.Quote:
Originally Posted by DM_Benjamin
Cacoethes carpendiQuote:
Originally Posted by scitzo
It would probably help to read up the last 20 pages or so, if you're interested in knowing.Quote:
Originally Posted by scitzo
1. So you admit to being allies with havoc this age then?Quote:
Originally Posted by Drixx
2. You admit to helping havoc even when they refused to help when strippers dealbroke you.
3. Pity you didn't learn anything about cowing from asf or I when we were there, maybe would lose less cow acres :p
I think he refered to pyro beeing the ally. Dispite all the conspiracy theories, everybody in and near the top knows how our CF's were setup. We had a CF with the 3 members of the only real alliance in the top 10 this age.
There is a huge difference between having a CF with somebody and beeing allies. If I would follow your logic I would be allied to ama aswell.
Well ... I guess it's tricky to understand, but as such Pyro is neutral! We have not been a t10 KD for long which means we might see things from a different perspective. (The following is my own personal remark and does not represent Pyro in any way). We joined Fair Play because what AMA did was a clear dealbreak and one such it would influence the top game as such! We stepped down because it was, from out perspective, the right thing to do. We may not have been colored from AMA's play the many past ages, but are also not blind to what has been going on in the top for many ages. Noone can claim to be saints here! Joining a fair play action and not keeping it fair, was in our perspective fishy business, why we stepped out of it. We talk with AMA just as we talk to the rest of the KD's in the top. I think it's safe to say, that we're not bestest buddies with AMA and after we stepped out of fair play, not really any of the KD's up here (except PewPew). We don't claim to have taken the only high moral horse in the game, but do hope, that those players who have a grunch with us efter this, will see over time, that the fair play action was fair in the beginning but got tainted over time by bringing the past into all of this and acting upon it.Quote:
Originally Posted by NoseBlood
1.) Ofc AMA is royal pissed at us for joining the fair play action. I do however think Nesta and Elit want to reset relations, since both see it fair to gb after the dealbreak. It has been said by Elit in this thread, that they stepped out of the crown race the sec they dealbroke.
2.) The rest of fair play are ofc also pissed at us, because they feel we betrayed them and left ppl hanging by leaving the action when we did. I fully understand this. Had the outlines of fair play been clearer before the action started, I doubt we would have joined as we did. We didn't join to smack AMA back to kingdom come but to send a clear msgs that this kind of dealbreak in not acceptable. When that goal was reached and things started to smell a bit funky in our perspective we left. Yes we left some hanging and for that we're sorry. We did however only leave those hanging who turned down a cf for all only to raze AMA cows.
3.) This whole action was not to get acres and then kill AMA. Yes ofc it was to send them out of the crown race, but that only due to their actions. Actions they themselves knew would do so. We had hoped to war AMA on fair terms before this happened, but sadly CR's notice of notice dip post ruined this. At this point AMA, CR and Pyro should have had a talk about how this was going down in a fair manner. Sadly that didn't happen.
People tend to forget, that the lack of functional diplo here is the result of too much bad history and in some cases to little understanding of the various cultures around the world. Many see Pyro as acres and crown hungry bastards after we withdrew from the fair play actions. That is truely not how we see ourselves. Maybe we're just blind to how our actions are percieved or many people are just to used to all actions are most likely only to gain acres and an advantage. The reason we pulled out was due to lack of fair play as we saw it and not to gain those lowsy acres. 12-13K acres. C'mon ppl. We came out more or less the same size as CR to prep for our war. If that was what was agreed upon before th gb started that's just about it. Had the outline of what was about to happen been clearer we might not have joined in the first place, since meeting 'non pair play' with 'non fair play' would have been nonsense. We would have found those acres elsewhere, while the not so fair play KD's had takes AMA down. That would have been even worse! So unles we were to take part in something we could not support we had a lose lose situation.
So all in all NoseBlood. We're the bad guys because we left some hanging, who didn't take an all CF deal, because they wanted to raze AMA cows as revenge and we got out with 12-13K acres that now seem to be the dirtiest acres in the game this age. We had hoped to get our wars to get near the crown and prove we do know how to fight the best this age. Would have been a way better way to settle things! We were looking forward to face AMA and after that CR. We even made banners ^^ But I guess that fine dream ended with the wast amounts of **** and fans in the top 10 :P
I do hope Next age will be less dramatic in the forums and more active on the battlefields :D
^This is me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Knight
A lowsy 12-13k acres on your cows. Seriously? That is 1 free cow. How many acres did Simians and RBL get? CR back to where they were 2 weeks prior. (But with no cows instead of the 3 best cows on the server)Quote:
Originally Posted by jjofdenmark
Honestly I was quite sour on the Pyros early this age. I thought them very nub, but that was a mistake. They understand the BS and ****play required to win a crown and they are going all out at it. It seems everyone enjoys the game of thrones mentality.
AMA doesn't like PyroManiaCs, and personally I don't find anything likeable about AMA. We got saved from noone; we warred Simians. (Yes, we had 15k acre advantage)Quote:
Originally Posted by NoseBlood
PyroManiaCs weren't the ones in need of help, CR was. Someone care to paint the scenery where PyroManiaCs did not join the FPA?Quote:
Originally Posted by scitzo
As for GB: justice was served and a perfectly good deal was on the table. Like people stated before, this deal was once again based on trust. Had they broken their word again, there would have been ZERO objection from anyone to pursue something similar to 25 green.
I don't have a clue why the deal was rejected....seriously...anyone losing/gaining anything after this offer Nesta and Elit worked out only has himself to blame.
Disclaimer: all above is personal opinion and not PyroManiaCs leadership.
I took the most acres of everybody in pyro. I am not playing a cow. Imagine us having 3 x 20k+ cows, that would be awesome.Quote:
Originally Posted by Band of Horses
1. Simians got no acres/resources, but they got to tear AMA a new oneQuote:
Originally Posted by Band of Horses
2. RBL gained ~3.5k acres on their cow and a war win
3. CR got to stay in top 5 with the promiss of an "Age winning War" with PyroManiaCs
4. PyroManiaCs got to keep 13k acres
With the exception of #2 above, all was part of the initial FPA goal.
Again, if PyroManiaCs had stayed out, could AMA really be stopped?
More disclaimer: above only my personal viewpoint
http://umunk.net/tf/#island=34&kingdom=5&fullview=1Quote:
Originally Posted by Folle
Let me know if you need help reading that.
At least you admit that the goal of FPA wasn't to promote fair play. Good to see a full agenda was in place to give everyone something. 1 is not anything, 2 was not planned, 3 is something that should be included for Pyro as well as the fact that they couldn't be kicked out of top 5 so really not anything. So basically the goal of FPA was to get pyro 13k acres? Weird, I don't think the rest of FPA knew this.Quote:
Originally Posted by faegan
Yes that is one calf .. but I'm just saying that had we not joined the gb we could have gained way more, spend pool in a different way and made an even stronger setup. Our cows barely grew, and those acres they did from attacks could have been made from pool whilst out core was whoring. It's not lowsy acres at all. But very very expensive acres compaired to the alternative. My point here is however, that those acres are fair in alining us with CR to get the war all want. People are only pissed at us for having those acres because we left the gb. One might ask if CR should let those who didn't gain acres TM CR to split WW bonus. That being acres and sci points.Quote:
Originally Posted by Band of Horses
We helped out in the name of fairness, not in the name of ravenge. And those left behind now turned down an all age CF deal for all involved and even Pewpew. So ... did we leave as bad mofos with acres and left ppl hanging or did we split in the name of fairness and those getting it now kind of asked for it due to turning down an otherwise fine deal? Ohh .. and was this action to restore CR at full acres and with 10 mill sci points on top of that and leave us weaker due to spend gc and troops and lower sci due to no pump? Just asking!
I think I will now try stop posting in this thread, as I feel that we are gaining too much in total post-count.
Congrats, you have been trolled. Care to read any of my previous more serious posts? Also: read signature.Quote:
Originally Posted by Band of Horses
FPA was about fair play. When "EOACF + AMA promisses to stay out of crown race" deal was rejected and GB continued, FPA lost legitimacy. I would not have participated in the GB if it wasn't for fair play. Thanks.
You left the GB in the name of fairness, but you joined the GB not in the name of fairness but the name of CR allows you acres and a war. As you said those acres are fair in alining you with CR, so you couldn't do it just for fair play. Simians was mad prior to you leaving, you can read back in this thread. Im sure more were upset behind the scenes but wanted to show a united front. AMA is a bear, and you realized you didn't have to out run the bear you just had to out run the people you were hiking with.Quote:
Originally Posted by jjofdenmark
Dude .. if you're so interested in the size of your provs you might have seen that the last calf was shot before we entered fort and before this went down. We just shot two up with half of the pool each. The core got most acres of the gb. No ****!Quote:
Originally Posted by Band of Horses
Your more serious posts are some real gems. Congrats, you and your kd are opportunists. I hope you do win crown.Quote:
Originally Posted by faegan
Do some math on how much it would cost to put 1500 acres on your largest province. Do some more for 1300 and 1000 on cows 4 and 5. Those are extremely expensive acres to get, and now look at CR the huge disadvantage they have with the loss of their cows and you getting these free cow acres.Quote:
Originally Posted by jjofdenmark
I need a lot of help when you show me pyro total nw and land. This tells me what?Quote:
Originally Posted by Band of Horses
click full kd view.Quote:
Originally Posted by Folle
that's called divide and conquerQuote:
Originally Posted by NoseBlood
This shows me another graph that isnt usefull. I can see a bunch of cows being launched and both cows and core gaining acres in the GB.Quote:
Originally Posted by Band of Horses
Show me a graph that shows our cows gained all the acres instead of useless graphs that doesnt show this.