EOWCF is war or not?

not sure why u feel the need to post the exact saem thing in 2 places, spam much?

You know i was bullied viscously as a child, i know what being bullied feels like and no i won;t do it. Talk is always the first step, and as long as u don;t try and take something unreasonable from me, then i will always be a pleasant person to deal with.


I implore any kingdoms outside of this affair to come forward and show me i'm wrong if thats the case. I don't speak for my kingdom mates (outside of political matters on behalf of the kd) as like most utopians...they can be arrogant and over the top about things

Is it war? No.

Is it just as lame to make EoWCF hits as OOW hits? Yes.

You clearly can't say it's exactly the same as a war, since it quite clearly isn't as you no longer have OPs/hits/etc. from the KD you were warring. However you still have OOW protection and there is nothing to indicate that the KD is no longer at war unless you've been tracking them or are doing intel gathering on them.

The period is added to let KDs recover from wars faster, it's not added to be a total protection from and outside actions however neither are the standard war protections that KDs get while in war.

If a KD can take free land/resources from outside EoWCF then why should they not do it while a KD is in war? Why should a prov at say 6k acres with 5-10 DPA not be farmed out by OOW hits? Because people know that if they did that then they'd be GBed to make it not profitable so it's both a sense of "honour" and a sense of the players policing themselves, game mechanics are no different at all between the two so logically you can assume the devs want to limit/allow both OOW & EoWCF interactions to the same degree.

People who say it's fine to hit/op into EoWCFs are just lazy/opportunistic asshats who know that in general there's often easy to find resources that they want to justify as being free to take for themselves.

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Originally Posted by shadowzation

You lose half of your resources, or even less when ppl plunder. How long you need to get it back. Your resources is generating every single hour.

What about PK, ppl need to wait for another 72 hour. Then still need several days to rebuild.
Or, ppl just dont want to play utopia anymore.

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Well, if they repeatedly interfere with your eowcf and you tell them to stop eventually they're gonna be pissed and do something to make you regret your actions, it's basic human psychology.
PK for an isolated event is obviously not proportional but if it happens time and time again, you try to resolve it and you don't even reply. Then I'd say it's completely justified, they had their chance to end it on better terms, they didn't take it and now that ship has sailed, a sterner response is neccessary.

First off change your name from Saints to Hate Fuel. You are wrong in every way and shouldn't use the word justice. You should ask for mercy, apologize and generate enough gold to repay the kingdom that PKed two of your provinces. And you know why? Because they took the time we couldn't.

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Originally Posted by StratOcastle

First off change your name from Saints to Hate Fuel. You are wrong in every way and shouldn't use the word justice. You should ask for mercy, apologize and generate enough gold to repay the kingdom that PKed two of your provinces. And you know why? Because they took the time we couldn't.

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First off, we DID NOT ask for justice. We asked to do it during our EoWCF. I don't get it why people are not understanding it after 5 days of posting. Ask for mercy? Not required, welcome to plunder us back. Repaying after killing 2 of my provinces? Meh.

ok is past already.let get a agreement timing, we war and settle it.By the way,get your lackey off us.What term for the war?48hr war or we war till one is bigger than the other 50% or we war 7 day?

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Originally Posted by Malboro

Be careful what you stole , some of utopian community is quite cruel here and he/she will kill you for that. This is what I noticed so far .

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If you repeatedly rob into Eowcfs, which you do, you piss people off. Stop whining already and play. You decide for yourself how you want to interact with the kds around you, so live with the consequences. If you are pro enough to rob eowcf gold, then you are pro enough to take the punishment too. Amirite?

How is this even a question ?? Eowcf is obviously not fair game for robbing because most provinces are trashed after war and if people were not reasonably able to reliably stock gold in eowcf then war would be crippling and immensely difficult to recover from...

Hitting or robbing into eowcf - while perhaps not as bad as hitting/robbing directly into war (because it is probably less damaging) - is still a b*tch move and if you do it you can reasonably expect to be retaliated on. Saints rob into 5 eowcfs... now deal with it.

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Originally Posted by tetley

How is this even a question ?? Eowcf is obviously not fair game for robbing because most provinces are trashed after war and if people were not reasonably able to reliably stock gold in eowcf then war would be crippling and immensely difficult to recover from...

Hitting or robbing into eowcf - while perhaps not as bad as hitting/robbing directly into war (because it is probably less damaging) - is still a b*tch move and if you do it you can reasonably expect to be retaliated on. Saints rob into 5 eowcfs... now deal with it.

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cause its easier to take candy from a baby maybe?

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Originally Posted by fuzzy|

cause its easier to take candy from a baby maybe?

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Shud ap. Nobody axed u nub. Go pet your donkey... <o/

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Originally Posted by MrCurious

Shud ap. Nobody axed u nub. Go pet your donkey... <o/

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im sorry I think you have me confused with pendel.

I do however have mutant ninja hamsters :)

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Originally Posted by tetley

How is this even a question ?? Eowcf is obviously not fair game for robbing because most provinces are trashed after war and if people were not reasonably able to reliably stock gold in eowcf then war would be crippling and immensely difficult to recover from...

Hitting or robbing into eowcf - while perhaps not as bad as hitting/robbing directly into war (because it is probably less damaging) - is still a b*tch move and if you do it you can reasonably expect to be retaliated on. Saints rob into 5 eowcfs... now deal with it.

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Exactly. Very well said ^_^