Why is pew pew so mad

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Originally Posted by ofgortens

Eh was just a definition that was formed (whether you agree or not is beside the point). I think many besides just ABS was in agreement with 'hostile' definition being that a button exists. Everyone has their own 'definition' for what is hostile and what isn't. I'm just saying that in this case, stating 'double hostile' is up for debate based off each KD's definition of hostile since a button could not exist between AMA and Jerks.

I think Korp even started a 'hostile definition' thread where nothing was really determined... but many believed that a button had to exist to be an active hostile.

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i know - each have their own style and way of playing the game and their own definitions (some more complex than others).

ive stated a few times before - treat others how you wish to be treated.

also to those saying we want to get farmed out - AMA hit us, we retalled and were w8ing for more armies etc - we been telling all kingdoms above we're not free acres for anyone. if we wanted to farm out to AMA we'd let them wave, not retal and ask for a cf. that didn't happen.

its simple - if we agree to give 'free' waves for a cf to 1 kingdom it means we do it for the rest. again that will never happen

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Originally Posted by Binar

You are full of it Elit

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can you keep us updated with paper. How you see its going to end?
1. pew pew get much acres and win age!
2. pew pew feel accident guilty and reset :P
3. pew pew end in eoa retral war :D

Considering how important is MCF for you i think you are going for option 2 ;)

Why dont you just run allong and gather a new Proteus quote for your signature Elit?

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Originally Posted by Binar

Why dont you just run allong and gather a new Proteus quote for your signature Elit?

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why dont you change your avatar? or change it to say More QQ Less PewPew?

I was summoned and instructed to tell pewpew to go to hell. Sooooooo ummmmmmm I guess it's done, hf :)

I guess what goes around comes around, really looking forward to next age already, and doublehostile spew spew several times! :)

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Originally Posted by fuzzy|

i know - each have their own style and way of playing the game and their own definitions (some more complex than others).

ive stated a few times before - treat others how you wish to be treated.

also to those saying we want to get farmed out - AMA hit us, we retalled and were w8ing for more armies etc - we been telling all kingdoms above we're not free acres for anyone. if we wanted to farm out to AMA we'd let them wave, not retal and ask for a cf. that didn't happen.

its simple - if we agree to give 'free' waves for a cf to 1 kingdom it means we do it for the rest. again that will never happen

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Just to elaborate a bit on what Fuzznub said (bless him, the old man tries his best but his mind plays tricks on him). The thing that would happen IF we gave QQ, i mean Pewpew a free wave is:

1. Pewpew got their wave and we got a eoa cf
2. Ama would have no choice but to cancel our CF and take acres, to keep things status quo in the t3 (He has always been up front about this fact)
3. BB would come to get their fill after yr11 (unconfirmed but most likely i would think, even though we have good relations with them)
4. Swea would probably come too, again not confirmed but most likely - not to offend anyone here.
5. We would be down 4-5 waves each worth 15-20k, so you do the math

i told Pew this, but either way they knew very well this would happen, but as long as they got their acres, i doubt they care. I asked Pew to retract his notice, in return for us guaranteeing that AMA wouldn't be getting any of our acres. If they did, we would give Pewpew acres to match it and retal. This was turned down, so you see we got pushed into a corner. Pew has no right blaming us for looking out for #1, ourselves. Doubling us because they hate AMA has nothing to do with us, but we got caught in the middle getting ****played left to right. You figure it out. Its sad to tarnish a otherwise stable KD name/rep all for the sake of acres.

Elit told us he would come for acres, if he was faced with Pew giving notice and waving us. Pew would be getting the acres on their core, they so desperately need to match AMA, which would negate some of the advantages AMA currently hold over Pew. But hey, why should we help Pew ?
Petrified told me we have no relation and no ties, whereas Elit has honored his CFs with us and helped us stabilize our kd after the last bad ages Jerks suffered. You dont sell out your friends.
As for you "farming" us Petrified, dont act as if its a big accomplishment. With your superior size, sci and wpa you are only doing what is to be expected given the match up of our 2 kds. A KD on the same footing as us would never be able to accomplish this.

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Originally Posted by Spookies

I guess what goes around comes around, really looking forward to next age already, and doublehostile spew spew several times! :)

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lol i think that is a threat!

comparison:

Jerks = Average Opponent Relative Size 112%
QewQew = Average Opponent Relative Size 92%

we treat all in top 3 the same - if 1 takes acres all takes acres [so our acres don't decide who gets the crown since we're in no real position to prevent it (size wise)] - if non takes acres non benefit in the race for #1

QewQew has laid down the benchmark for Jerks next age - will we interfere in any of their hostile? tbh if I have any say in it, I hope we don't but hey ho playing fair and all that. we'll just beat you down 1 v 1 because we can.

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Originally Posted by alan03

lol i think that is a threat!

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Why wouldn't anyone double hostile Pew? You tell me. Do onto others as you want done to yourself kinda thing no?

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Originally Posted by MrCurious

Just to elaborate a bit on what Fuzznub said (bless him, the old man tries his best but his mind plays tricks on him). The thing that would happen IF we gave QQ, i mean Pewpew a free wave is:

1. Pewpew got their wave and we got a eoa cf
2. Ama would have no choice but to cancel our CF and take acres, to keep things status quo in the t3 (He has always been up front about this fact)
3. BB would come to get their fill after yr11 (unconfirmed but most likely i would think, even though we have good relations with them)
4. Swea would probably come too, again not confirmed but most likely - not to offend anyone here.
5. We would be down 4-5 waves each worth 15-20k, so you do the math

i told Pew this, but either way they knew very well this would happen, but as long as they got their acres, i doubt they care. I asked Pew to retract his notice, in return for us guaranteeing that AMA wouldn't be getting any of our acres. If they did, we would give Pewpew acres to match it and retal. This was turned down, so you see we got pushed into a corner. Pew has no right blaming us for looking out for #1, ourselves. Doubling us because they hate AMA has nothing to do with us, but we got caught in the middle getting ****played left to right. You figure it out. Its sad to tarnish a otherwise stable KD name/rep all for the sake of acres.

Elit told us he would come for acres, if he was faced with Pew giving notice and waving us. Pew would be getting the acres on their core, they so desperately need to match AMA, which would negate some of the advantages AMA currently hold over Pew. But hey, why should we help Pew ?
Petrified told me we have no relation and no ties, whereas Elit has honored his CFs with us and helped us stabilize our kd after the last bad ages Jerks suffered. You dont sell out your friends.
As for you "farming" us Petrified, dont act as if its a big accomplishment. With your superior size, sci and wpa you are only doing what is to be expected given the match up of our 2 kds. A KD on the same footing as us would never be able to accomplish this.

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In other words, threaten farm out so Pew Pew (or anyone for that matter) cant touch your acres?
Using the fact Pew Pew wants to crown so you get off without a scratch?

I think you're being wayyy too hopeful.
If Pew Pew didnt get your acres, prob BB or SWEA would.

Actually Strippers would too.

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Originally Posted by alan03

In other words, threaten farm out so Pew Pew (or anyone for that matter) cant touch your acres?

I think you're being wayyy too hopeful.
If Pew Pew didnt get your acres, prob BB or SWEA would.

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then QewQew can wait for our hostile with AMA to end and then hit us when we've been bashed up by AMA thus making it easier to take acres for us. Surely that's the easier and cleaner way to do things? Hell seems they like doing it the easy way so why not?

just remember you wont get the crown this age so everything you've worked for this age = for nothing while us in Jerks have no goals this age apart from forming a stronger more competitive team which we have done (still got another 25% to go until we're happy with our lvl of competitiveness)

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Originally Posted by fuzzy|

then QewQew can wait for our hostile with AMA to end and then hit us when we've been bashed up by AMA thus making it easier to take acres for us. Surely that's the easier and cleaner way to do things? Hell seems they like doing it the easy way so why not?

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Easier? you mean less?

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Originally Posted by alan03

In other words, threaten farm out so Pew Pew (or anyone for that matter) cant touch your acres?
Using the fact Pew Pew wants to crown so you get off without a scratch?

I think you're being wayyy too hopeful.
If Pew Pew didnt get your acres, prob BB or SWEA would.

Actually Strippers would too.

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I never said anything about farming out to AMA. Not a single word when talking to Pew. Not one word, so what makes you think that?
We have EoA with Strippers, so i dont think they would.

But yes, someone would come claiming acres sooner or later. The closer you get to eoa, the higher the risk is trying to secure free acres off a kd in t10 with nothing more to play for.

EDIT: Please, if you want more (correct) info, come talk to me on IRC. I never threatened to farm out to AMA. I dare Petrified to post logs since he claims otherwise.

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Originally Posted by alan03

Easier? you mean less?

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nope - we'd have less offensive (fewer DTs from us) and less defense (possibly more hits from PewPew) + tpa probably lowered from thieves dying and very lil resources.

EDIT: (see what I did there mrc? lol) I'm done talking on this forum - actions on the battlefield more important.

11 pages full of **** - the result is Pew pew lost their chance to crown, and got new enemy who can double hostile them any time next age. And why? For nothing - nice leadership dudes, nice move.

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Originally Posted by MrCurious

EDIT: Please, if you want more (correct) info, come talk to me on IRC. I never threatened to farm out to AMA. I dare Petrified to post logs since he claims otherwise.

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What i don't like about Jerks is they refuse to farm out to us :(
Pew Pew is "help" all age his "friends" offer them free landrop. They "help" Havoc too. But no AMA didn't have chance to "help" any one. Really sad story :(

let me just conclude all of this for you people:

We need Absalom back in the top next age to keep Elit and his minions in their cages.

Everything else is just white noise.

ABS has been swopped by ANTI-ABS - at least ABS played for ABS and not themselves. This lot look for any excuse to break cfs etc

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Originally Posted by Shai

let me just conclude all of this for you people:

We need Absalom back in the top next age to keep Elit and his minions in their cages.

Everything else is just white noise.

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We dont need ABS. Need more compete kds around.

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Originally Posted by fuzzy|

nope - we'd have less offensive (fewer DTs from us) and less defense (possibly more hits from PewPew) + tpa probably lowered from thieves dying and very lil resources.

EDIT: (see what I did there mrc? lol) I'm done talking on this forum - actions on the battlefield more important.

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yes and you have less acres to take.
I think you missed that point.

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Originally Posted by Pendel1

11 pages full of **** - the result is Pew pew lost their chance to crown, and got new enemy who can double hostile them any time next age. And why? For nothing - nice leadership dudes, nice move.

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UMADBRAH?

i couldnt help myself.

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Originally Posted by alan03

In other words, threaten farm out so Pew Pew (or anyone for that matter) cant touch your acres?
Using the fact Pew Pew wants to crown so you get off without a scratch?

I think you're being wayyy too hopeful.
If Pew Pew didnt get your acres, prob BB or SWEA would.

Actually Strippers would too.

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Strippers would have never won on even size with us, we asked strippers for war they just went afk.... so thats about it

I've changed my mind on coming back. I'm not in the mood to deal with all these whining overgrown nubs like pewpew.

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Originally Posted by Elit

We dont need ABS. Need more compete kds around.

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Absalom back next age is 3 competative kds more in the top. Right now its just your little group without competition doing just about everything but selling your own moms to score the acres needed to win.

With Absalom at least people followed rules. Even thou there were some shady actions from both sides people pretty much sticked to the rules. This age is just lawless.

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Originally Posted by Pendel1

Strippers would have never won on even size with us, we asked strippers for war they just went afk.... so thats about it

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banks vs no banks.
I know where to place my bets.

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Originally Posted by Realest

I've changed my mind on coming back. I'm not in the mood to deal with all these whining overgrown nubs like pewpew.

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Talk is overrated Realest. Brute force is all you need.

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Originally Posted by Shai

let me just conclude all of this for you people:

We need Absalom back in the top next age to keep Elit and his minions in their cages.

Everything else is just white noise.

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No thanks, we don't need Abs back, aAbs seems to be too fragmented to stay unified when there is no Abs to fight which suits me just perfectly.
I do however miss the Abs kd's, the top would be more interesting that way but please leave your alliance at the door next age, it's an ugly monster and it's best if we let it stay dead.

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Originally Posted by Elldallan

No thanks, we don't need Abs back, aAbs seems to be too fragmented to stay unified when there is no Abs to fight which suits me just perfectly.
I do however miss the Abs kd's, the top would be more interesting that way but please leave your alliance at the door next age, it's an ugly monster and it's best if we let it stay dead.

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The only thing you know for sure with Utopia is: Absalom never stays dead

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Originally Posted by Shai

The only thing you know for sure with Utopia is: Absalom never stays dead

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Sad but true, but I can hope it'll permanently dead this time, at least for the moment.

these forum threads is like pissing against the wind... there is no wining

This thread needs to a smidgen more friendly

Less flames please

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Originally Posted by Sig

I think the rule we can all agree on is as follows:

1) if X is currently stronger than Y, X can do whatever/justify anything against Y

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That was, is and always will be the rule - in Utopia as in life. Good that you finally caught on, however; congratulations, no sarcasm involved.

i hope we will see a serious revamp of this game next age. things seriously cant go anymore like this. all i see is people fighting and flaming eachother. most likely more will get sick of this sh*t and quit

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Originally Posted by Shai

With Absalom at least people followed rules. Even thou there were some shady actions from both sides people pretty much sticked to the rules. This age is just lawless.

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Or Absalom had all the sane kds disband and therefore all that's left are the nutjobs like us

Yeah, just let it shake out. So many negative waves. Games fine where I'm standing. These are personality issues, not game issues.

If pewpew is any good why dont they just war AMA for crown? I think pew is only able to grow in vacuum but aren't able to fight any good kingdoms..they ran from Rage last age even though wemade a deal to war but got mad that I played it out to get more acres. Seriously if you want to win why not fight AMA or BB for it?

The same reason Rage didn't war Sanc when they were #1 and #2

I think people need to stop underestimating Elit. All this talk about what he would have done blah blah but not once has anyone actually been straight up with him. How does everyone know what he would do if there weren't rats sneaking around behind his back.

It's a world of rats and snakes, sometimes if you play the rat the snake will eat you. How about we try and be ****en human beings for a change, see how that works out!

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Originally Posted by Proteus

If pewpew is any good why dont they just war AMA for crown? I think pew is only able to grow in vacuum but aren't able to fight any good kingdoms..they ran from Rage last age even though wemade a deal to war but got mad that I played it out to get more acres. Seriously if you want to win why not fight AMA or BB for it?

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Won't stop being butthurt even after retiring?

BB understandably refused to war us as their size distribution is a lot weaker than ours as of now. I would refuse also in their position.

Orc merchants are quite weak late age versus dwarf tacts and we are 40k smaller. No real chances to beat AMA 1v1. War could have maybe been setup if AMA didnt take 15k from us by hitting strippers into war, but not now. We would have been similar size and had a bank advantage to offset the late age orc merchant.

All the people telling allies to war every age have no idea about anything. Setups and eoanaps are made with the sole purpose of beating the primary competition (ABS) which was accomplished. If we didn't go orc merchants and went something more late age centered like human sage or dwarf tact, we would have likely lost versus sanc's dwarf merchants in that OOP war and entire age would be different as sanc would be able to bully our allies early age with a strong early/mid age setup.

Almost all the crap this age wouldn't have happened if the ages were made to be shorter, like YR8.

Playing in HoH we used Orc a lot. I think Orc Merchant is one of the strongest orcs in quite some time since they nerfed the elites. There should be no reason not to have respectable sciences especially in gains and population by now......extra 40% credits, good income, great gains.... What else would you need lol.

Poor province management and planning if you think your provinces don't stand a chance vs Dorf Tact. Poor kd set up choices can't be blamed on anyone but the kd's running them. Give me a break you did it for the alliance :p Pew Pew reminds me of a ****ty version of HoH around 7-8 ages ago.

Pulse age 48, HoH age 54 Orc crown winners.