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it looks bleak for pyro
Agreed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sheister
Looking at the charts, I dont think pyro has a big chance of the landcrown after this, but simians is on 100k acres and top honour. I guess it's time for pyro to switch to learn attacks and landdrop so they can be superpumped and wave simians for the honour crown :P
regardless whoever runs their wars is the best I've fought against again like last time. The reason it took 5 days to go to war is because it took 5 days to figure out how not to get my banks farmed like last time.
We wont get the honor crown. There is at least 2-3 other kds more likely to take it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Uhm hoi
We dont care much thou, we know our capacity and made a choice to grow from them and have fun. I would not like to play the game in a style like FS does for example. Enuff said about us! :)
We'll take this compliment any day...Quote:
Originally Posted by flogger
Nesta is a tough nut to crackQuote:
Originally Posted by flogger
cJ is the nut. Nesta is blubberQuote:
Originally Posted by Shai
** Summary **
Total attacks made: 169 (27,615 acres)
-- Traditional march: 154 (26,068 acres)
-- Ambush: 12 (1,547 acres)
-- Failed: 3 (1.8% failure)
-- Uniques: 48
Total attacks suffered: 70 (19,950 acres)
-- Traditional march: 62 (19,040 acres)
-- Ambush: 7 (910 acres)
-- Failed: 1 (1.4% failure)
-- Uniques: 33
** The kingdom of Beastblood**
Total land exchanged: +7,665 (169/70)
+7,930 An unknown province (22/0)
+2,059 What it is (2/0)
+1,763 What you got (2/0)
+1,556 Got you beat (12/0)
+998 This is gonna hurt (12/0)
+900 Hold your butts (1/0)
+894 Youre a has been (11/0)
+871 Go to friends (10/0)
+718 You aint got the guts (8/4)
+680 You gotta give (7/0)
+566 Got the win (8/2)
+546 Give us acres (5/0)
+135 take a snort (4/0)
+120 Hold your honor (4/0)
+99 What you want (4/0)
+91 you can hold (4/0)
+63 Better go to fort (4/0)
+14 Give us gold (5/5)
-71 Heres some hits (7/3)
-413 Oh crap guys (7/4)
-1,515 Got your land (8/10)
-1,625 Attacking us (7/10)
-1,631 Anything you go (8/11)
-1,670 Copyright 2014 Utopia Thugs (1/3)
-2,070 Get a Survey (6/15)
-3,343 go to alert (0/3)
** The kingdom of PYRO **
Total land exchanged: -7,665 (70/169)
+5,665 An unknown province (9/0)
+1,411 Stella Artois Lager (1/0)
+1,270 Dogfish 120 (8/1)
+1,193 Colt 45 (6/3)
+832 Guinness (4/1)
+683 Red Seal (4/2)
+594 Two Women (4/1)
+521 Schmaltz Albino Python (2/0)
+498 Chimay Bleu (2/0)
+430 Ballast Point Sculpin IPA (2/1)
+410 Red Dog (2/0)
+160 Budweiser (1/1)
+94 San Miguel Lights (4/3)
+55 Captain Snugglepants (2/1)
-896 Heineken pilsener (0/2)
-969 Hoegaarden (0/2)
-1,772 D A B (7/29)
-1,798 Aphrodisiac (0/2)
-2,309 Stone Arrogant Bastard Ale (3/20)
-2,365 Asahi Dry (0/4)
-2,753 I Dont Like Beer (3/29)
-2,845 Polar (6/61)
-5,774 Canadian (0/6)
BB up 1 wave. Pyro's wave is next. Still close:)
heh BB shifting good acres into that large bank though :) Expect them to not gain a ton overall but the 15k war win bonus and ~5-10k gained in war/hostile should put them right up with #1, but they will have large pool as well.
http://missashleypants.com/wp-conten.../nicsmokin.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by Bukharistan
You mean the reason why it took 5 days to war was because it took 5 days for drake to fly away! :PQuote:
Originally Posted by flogger
You mean Nesta will take this compliment any day? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by faegan
At the moment, yes (crowning), and yes I think we have lost the war. But we will never do that (landdrop in war). We will minimise our losses because it simply isnt fair any way else other than this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Uhm hoi
Meanie, you already won. ：）Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkie89
** Kingdom news report **
For the time from February 2 of YR10 till March 21 of YR10 - 44 hours
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** Summary **
Total attacks made: 224 (39,242 acres)
-- Traditional march: 200 (36,874 acres)
-- Ambush: 20 (2,368 acres)
-- Failed: 4 (1.8% failure)
-- Uniques: 65
Total attacks suffered: 93 (24,667 acres)
-- Traditional march: 79 (22,711 acres)
-- Ambush: 13 (1,956 acres)
-- Failed: 1 (1.1% failure)
-- Uniques: 48
** The kingdom of BB **
Total land exchanged: +14,575 (224/93)
+11,699 An unknown province (33/0)
+2,148 What you got (4/0)
+2,059 What it is (2/0)
+1,484 Got you beat (13/1)
+1,446 This is gonna hurt (14/0)
+1,219 Go to friends (12/0)
+1,001 Got the win (10/3)
+900 Hold your butts (1/0)
+877 You aint got the guts (10/7)
+860 Give us acres (9/3)
+750 Youre a has been (15/1)
+687 You gotta give (8/1)
+580 Give us gold (7/5)
+571 Heres some hits (9/3)
+135 take a snort (4/0)
+120 Hold your honor (4/0)
+99 What you want (4/0)
+91 you can hold (4/0)
+63 Better go to fort (4/0)
-833 Oh crap guys (10/9)
-1,217 Got your land (11/10)
-1,354 Anything you go (12/12)
-1,496 Copyright 2014 Utopia Thugs (3/5)
-1,985 Attacking us (11/14)
-1,986 Get a Survey (10/16)
-3,343 go to alert (0/3)
** The kingdom of PYRO **
Total land exchanged: -14,575 (93/224)
+6,660 An unknown province (14/0)
+1,441 Guinness (6/1)
+1,411 Stella Artois Lager (1/0)
+1,065 Red Seal (6/2)
+831 Schmaltz Albino Python (3/0)
+741 Ballast Point Sculpin IPA (3/1)
+694 Chimay Bleu (3/0)
+588 Red Dog (3/0)
+462 Colt 45 (6/7)
+301 Captain Snugglepants (3/1)
+133 Two Women (4/3)
-167 Budweiser (1/2)
-896 Heineken pilsener (0/2)
-907 San Miguel Lights (6/11)
-969 Hoegaarden (0/2)
-1,292 Sink the Bismark (0/2)
-1,644 D A B (8/29)
-2,309 Stone Arrogant Bastard Ale (3/20)
-2,638 Asahi Dry (0/5)
-2,818 Polar (7/61)
-2,979 I Dont Like Beer (4/41)
-2,983 Aphrodisiac (0/4)
-3,526 Dogfish 120 (12/24)
-5,774 Canadian (0/6)
mintime is 4 hrs away.
AHMEGAWD that BB cow is gonna be huge!
how can there be such a big difference in attacks?
1. they more t/ms
2. we more more pumped so higher def = less quad or triple taps
3. we knocked down two provs so far that basically our entire kd quad tapped them (including faeries)
Seems like pyro was hugely outgunned this war.
Hadnt even been able to make a single prov in bb into quad tap fodder? Not even averaging a double tap per unique? Rough.
They have a lot of banks (1 tapping) and hybrid elf/faeries doing 1x's and humans to protect. Only X amount of multi tappers and those are the ones we chained so they're 1x topfeeding.Quote:
Originally Posted by Meep
Re: total amount of hits, since we gave button we - hrs our hits all war to catch back up, chained the dwarves with faster attack time so we could catch up to the slower hitting humans and gain a wave.
If this is all true then I can't wait for the official summaries from both sides since its sounds like a good war to learn from. Everyone knew BB was more pumped on their acres but maybe Pyro could have had an advantage if their T/Ms worked on them during hostile...or was it just simply better KD set up that favored BB at that size.Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkie89
All speculative at this moment
Mystic Aura auto stops are a mana/rune drain. A heavier theft based presence in a vacuum would have better effect. But because of the auto stop a dwarf sage can commit more resource to it's apparent weakness vs sabotage.
I went with dwarf tac on my third build this age. The spell distribution was sturdy vs the sage heavy cores I've seen around. Mystic Aura and Clear Sight covered a lot of my trailing science, and speed made up for gains.
It's pretty easy to have a province with extra mana to clear out MA on provs when you need to utilize mystic mana or something... MA clears whether it's a failed magic attempt or success...
** Kingdom news report **
For the time from February 2 of YR10 till April 5 of YR10 - 52 hours
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** Summary **
Total attacks made: 249 (47,760 acres)
-- Traditional march: 225 (45,392 acres)
-- Ambush: 20 (2,368 acres)
-- Failed: 4 (1.6% failure)
-- Uniques: 79
Total attacks suffered: 108 (29,701 acres)
-- Traditional march: 93 (27,527 acres)
-- Ambush: 14 (2,174 acres)
-- Failed: 1 (0.9% failure)
-- Uniques: 52
** The kingdom of BB **
Total land exchanged: +18,059 (249/108)
+14,024 An unknown province (39/0)
+2,148 What you got (4/0)
+2,059 What it is (2/0)
+1,885 Got you beat (14/1)
+1,522 Go to friends (13/0)
+1,150 This is gonna hurt (16/3)
+998 Youre a has been (16/1)
+900 Hold your butts (1/0)
+877 You aint got the guts (10/7)
+826 Got the win (11/4)
+687 You gotta give (8/1)
+371 Heres some hits (10/4)
+299 Give us acres (10/5)
+135 take a snort (4/0)
+120 Hold your honor (4/0)
+99 What you want (4/0)
+91 you can hold (4/0)
+63 Better go to fort (4/0)
-147 Give us gold (8/8)
-833 Oh crap guys (10/9)
-1,172 Get a Survey (14/17)
-1,351 Got your land (12/11)
-1,496 Copyright 2014 Utopia Thugs (3/5)
-1,700 Anything you go (13/15)
-1,748 Attacking us (14/14)
-1,748 go to alert (1/3)
** The kingdom of PYRO **
Total land exchanged: -18,059 (108/249)
+10,068 An unknown province (24/0)
+1,610 Red Seal (7/2)
+1,441 Guinness (6/1)
+1,411 Stella Artois Lager (1/0)
+1,154 Schmaltz Albino Python (4/0)
+741 Ballast Point Sculpin IPA (3/1)
+694 Chimay Bleu (3/0)
+607 Red Dog (4/1)
+301 Captain Snugglepants (3/1)
-537 Budweiser (1/3)
-896 Heineken pilsener (0/2)
-907 San Miguel Lights (6/11)
-969 Hoegaarden (0/2)
-1,031 Two Women (4/8)
-1,644 D A B (8/29)
-2,208 Stone Arrogant Bastard Ale (5/23)
-2,638 Asahi Dry (0/5)
-2,818 Polar (7/61)
-2,887 Sink the Bismark (0/3)
-2,979 I Dont Like Beer (4/41)
-2,983 Aphrodisiac (0/4)
-3,526 Dogfish 120 (12/24)
-4,289 Colt 45 (6/21)
-5,774 Canadian (0/6)
War is over. Pyro wd'ed at the 5th. Thanks for the war!
rip pyro. stick to warring guys
but warring kds dont QQ as much as the top tier :(
Congratz to bb for a solid win
Sorry but that's a bit of a stupid comment. Sure, they may not be as experienced as some others, but they're capable of putting up a good fight, better than most. This is our 2nd war against Pyro and both have been bull**** freeQuote:
Originally Posted by padrez
Congrats to the BB crew, looks like a solid win.
Chill out on the pyro insults, they have proven they can war top kingdoms and beat them. They beat both CR and BB in previous efforts.
Now how long till Pew2 vs BB?
Well fought by both sides. It is obvious that Pyro has taken a big step towards being an elite tier kingdom just by how BB had to handle Notice to War time. (And I have been a huge Pyro Hater for a long time)
How fast can BB replenish those coffers for Pew2? They don't have all that much ToG do they?
Congratulations Beastblood.
Good work being where the crowns are decided Pyromaniacs.
Good job pyro, good war. I had a lot of fun taking a pounding so protector could grow :P
great war BB , great war Pyros. you might have lost the war but u earned alot of people's respect. Lately i havent seen alot of top wars w/o hatred and flaming , was nice to see a nice war and good sportmanship . great war between 2 great kds .
Bounce acting all nice??? wtf is this?
Well fought on both ends -- more of this! (clean top fights without too much BS :P)
Well played pyro. You guys gave me my first hits of the age. :-)
Complete farmout, what a joke
Not even half bb their hits, no real take downs/damage sustained by bb at all.
Can we get comments from each LS on mistakes they might have made or things done well / different? Any overall summary from Darkie, flogger, prot or cJ / Nesta.
Gratz on the well deserved win by the looks of it BB.
Let me address some issues that have been asked around.
First, congrats to BB for the warwin. They definitely deserved the win + those juicy acres. But was there really any doubt in the win in the first place? I mean, once Pyro dropped out of fort stance (we dropped 25hrs earlier than BB max fort into normal for more flexibility and timing vs BB still having homes and not read to 'punish' Pyro early dropping of fort), couldnt have BB just done what they did.. instead of waiting like ~3 more days... BB dwarf sages were superior in every single aspect, and most importantly, ~1500 average bpa w/ +200% thievery science. Their cows also had +200% thievery science. It was so evident that after ops were given to both sides, BB superior theivery mods will easily triump Pyros. Both in stealing gc+NSing the weakest cow. Plus BB had more military on the cows front. Was BB really afraid that we will soak cow hits just to keep 1 sided MS? It's not possible.
Most people in Pyro knew that this war is definitely against our favour, but just didnt like how things are being dragged out so slowly. Nesta & me already knew we were just going to declare, and most probably min time withdraw. We were going to be nice and entertain and give BB a war that they deserve, and not do some shenanigans intra-razing or farming out to copetitors etc. We dont intend to start that kind of reputation/style. Thats why it was so frustrating waiting like ~3+ more days outside of fort just for action to really really start. It was like waiting to get 'farmed'. That was what made alot of us irritated.
We didnt expect to lose 18.5k acres overall, that was definitely not planned. But we expected to lose a decent sum.
To those haters that say we dont deserve to belong to the top, and we shld go back to the warring tier, and that we farmed out. Well, we decided not to be lame and intra-razed etc etc, and last I checked, losing 11.6% of your acres over a 9days hostile+war isnt a farming out. Or are you just jelly that Pyro lost acres the equivalent to the size of your ghetto kingdom? We have won top wars before.
Mistakes from Pyros regarding this hostile (prefer to talk about hostile only, as war was already a foregone situation).
- missed out our free hit on the 2nd day. we wanted to do something really really interesting to stir things up quicker by doing a raze from our smallest cow to their smallest cow. 600+ acres + massive troops lost. any retals will allow our 6k dwarves to raze their smallest cow too. BB also would find it hard and risky to drop fort and wave in >2x to give relations button + there would be gbp on Pyro's smallest cow. Pyro could then just use 2 hits w/ our 6ks to raze further and still not give relations.
this didnt go through due to activity problem of that particular cow. it would have been interesting cause we still would have like 48hrs before max fort drops.
- when we dropped fort to normal, we used our free hit and then switched the gold drake with a sapphire drake. should have left the gold drake there
- should have been active during building swap dates, and just kept our 30% homes just like what BB did. in the end, we were all on ****ty ppa while BB still had their homes. it didnt have much effect on BE%, but cause us to bleed gc faster than BB
- should have drafted deeper. We went like 1-1.5ppa average on the , cows at -1ppa.
anyway, i was inactive for like most of the hostile/war. had rl issues to settle. so maybe my viewpoint isnt that accurate
once again, congrats BB.
and to all the haters, thanks for hating <3
You meanies! All of you pickin' on little old me....Quote:
Originally Posted by tras19
Good fight lads, we'll meet again someday :D
Can you read the summary?Quote:
Originally Posted by Spice
-2,818 Polar (7/61)
-2,979 I Dont Like Beer (4/41)
That's 102 out of 249 hits on two provinces. I was hit in the pre-war wave to a point where I was overpopulated quite badly. At that point I had a choice to either sit back and watch the war go by, release my entire wizard population and ruin the rest of the age for myself or release all my dspecs and thieves and go landdef right after the first wave hit me.
I chose for the last and it hurt like hell...but at least I still have my wizzies!
Ask BB how much damage we did ... I can't answer that.
Personally I'd release most wizzies before dspecs depending on how deep the chain was...but your right that there is very little you can do except make sure you can hit again next unique and not die of overpop.
Maybe 1/2 wizards and 1/2 specs? I'm not there so it's only speculation.