Some fite is for honor: Foxicorn's unifrogs vs FEYR TALES

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Originally Posted by Helluva

Yeah we know. We watched you guys do lame plunders. We then stole a lot of your hard earned plunder because you guys just let it sit.

Anyways, to the world of utopia: let it be known this conflict is very much active until an agreement is signed. I can keep repeating myself. There's no way we're just gonna let you guys jump us randomly.

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you are funny..

So FS got out of the AWAR with a truckload of honor, enough to make #2, and not quite the force to keep it. I find it natural to CF what can be CF:d in that position, but being an awesome honorfat target, someone was bound to vulture on them. It's like tagging REBUILD or being landfat in the old days.

Had the honor been less, ED wouldn't have spent any time on this for a grudge. A wave, sure.

Some things I've noticed:
1) FS is never at fault, at any point? Never a maybe we could have done it differently?
2) Last age ED was hit for 14 days, and ate massacres & razekill attempts. We're barely half way there, no massacres or razes has been made and it's already very noise and resigned.
3) You signed up for this. You knew who you were dealing with.

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Originally Posted by Helluva

To re-iterate: we want to sign a CF with you and move on. The terms will be less taxing than before. However, let it be known that until you agree to a CF of some kind or another it's still very much an Active Hostile.

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Maybe 3 waves and one learn wave on top of it only this time?
I'll take a completely uninformed shot in the dark and make a guess you have negative zero chances of convincing Francis to concede anything for cf.

That's all fine and dandy but you do understand why we can't have this end without an agreement of some kind in place. I can't count the number of times in the past I didn't have agreements in place and was hunted weeks later.

Anyways, no sense in just getting pounced. We have no agreement in place and we certainly aren't going to just ingame Cf and just walk away, so...

Here's an idea: we can get a mediator!

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Originally Posted by citadela01

Maybe 3 waves and one learn wave on top of it only this time?
I'll take a completely uninformed shot in the dark and make a guess you have negative zero chances of convincing Francis to concede anything for cf.

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Well like helluva said, if you make us a serious offer we will entertain it. I understand that you claim hostile is over from your side of it, thats great. If you want it to be over from our side too, you probably need to send someone in to negotiate a cf. I recomend Ahlene, he/she was at least nice and polite but its up to you.

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Originally Posted by Helluva

That's all fine and dandy but you do understand why we can't have this end without an agreement of some kind in place. I can't count the number of times in the past I didn't have agreements in place and was hunted weeks later.

Anyways, no sense in just getting pounced. We have no agreement in place and we certainly aren't going to just ingame Cf and just walk away, so...

Here's an idea: we can get a mediator!

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Why ?
And this is not refusal since Iam not in position to refuse you, its a genuine question.
I am genuinly interested why do you think we would give a **** about accomodating your needs at this point?

You allrdy took the honor and punded us down, why would we care to give you cf now. You had very reasonable offer and were open to negotiations, you refused to even entertain it and choose to be smug and asses about it.

Well we are out from what Iam told, gl to you guys.
I will be seriously dissapointed if our guys even sit at figurative table with you, let alone give you one free acre.

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Originally Posted by citadela01

I am genuinly interested why do you think we would give a **** about accomodating your needs at this point?

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Bcuz we'd take all cute gals from your kd!

Edit: No one walks away from Benjamin, EVER!

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Originally Posted by LoRD_SaMPuaN

everybody gets fisted at some point, and there is no shame in that.. if you want to hear it again, here it is - gj for taking the right time & position to come after us with highest odds, and gaining over it..

p.s. good luck trying to convince other kds that you are currently in an active hostility..

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So basically last age ED says "push button and war or we'll walk away from hostile" then get the reply from FS "you can't walk away from hostile and we'll continue hits regardless of any other conflicts".

Now this age FS claims they've walked away from hostile and are no longer involved, so ED needs to convince other KDs that they're still hostile?

Whats the next play? FS needs to convince ED that they're actually in a war and shouldn't be getting OOW razed? Congrats on the stupidest post in the thread.

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Originally Posted by citadela01

Why ?
You allrdy took the honor and punded us down, why would we care to give you cf now.

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Reasoning with you is quite challanging. You where there last age, you KNOW what you did to us. Massacres, attempts of razekills, AW, etc etc for some two weeks in total. At this point, you are still standing. Youre in ok shape to get back to it after a fort session. You are well aware we have strong incentive to stay on you here. So as for the question "why should we give you CF"...I guess thats not for us to say, you do as you please. I doubt you would fool anyone claiming you dont know the option tho, if thats what youre going for.

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Originally Posted by citadela01

Why ?
And this is not refusal since Iam not in position to refuse you, its a genuine question.
I am genuinly interested why do you think we would give a **** about accomodating your needs at this point?

You allrdy took the honor and punded us down, why would we care to give you cf now. You had very reasonable offer and were open to negotiations, you refused to even entertain it and choose to be smug and asses about it.

Well we are out from what Iam told, gl to you guys.
I will be seriously dissapointed if our guys even sit at figurative table with you, let alone give you one free acre.

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Ok, let me just get this straight.
You guys were fighting back to the best of your abilities, didnt go so well but thats besides the point. Then once you got to max the meter you just said "nah now we have had enough, hostile is over" and now you expect us to just move on without any sort of agreement made?
Is this correct?

These FS sure becomes more and more funny. They think people will go away cause they say so.

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Originally Posted by Tedurur

Ok, let me just get this straight.
You guys were fighting back to the best of your abilities, didnt go so well but thats besides the point. Then once you got to max the meter you just said "nah now we have had enough, hostile is over" and now you expect us to just move on without any sort of agreement made?
Is this correct?

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meter isnt really a limiter for only 8 undeads, we can keep going like this for a longer time easily.. but what is the point? we have made attempts to end this with negotiation even before it has begun, but you were set out for revenge, not for a war or fair fight so it didnt come to fruition.. we kept trying diplo options until we decided to get out in this way..

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Originally Posted by Korp

These FS sure becomes more and more funny. They think people will go away cause they say so.

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nobody told them to go away, they can stay where they are as long as they want - we just arent in this hostile anymore..

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Originally Posted by Parth

Reasoning with you is quite challanging. You where there last age, you KNOW what you did to us. Massacres, attempts of razekills, AW, etc etc for some two weeks in total. At this point, you are still standing. Youre in ok shape to get back to it after a fort session. You are well aware we have strong incentive to stay on you here. So as for the question "why should we give you CF"...I guess thats not for us to say, you do as you please. I doubt you would fool anyone claiming you dont know the option tho, if thats what youre going for.

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I know what we did, and I know why. You ofc refuse any and all responsibility but it was your big mouth that started it all.
Pummeling us more is rly not as much an incentive for us to cf you as you might think.
We are used to week long wars, this is a vacation.

Feel free to pummel away, you are on the clock and you know it.
how many kds arround your size you dont have cf with ?
Bigger and fatter you grow off us worse off you will be in your next conflict.
Will they wait for you to outgrow them and outtrain them hiding behind one side hostile or will they strike before you get in shape?
Is there more than one ? If so who will claim proverbial dibs first for juicy pickings ?

Last age when Feint pulled this crap on us it didnt take us long to get farmed by Sleepy ... lets see how long it takes you.
Come to think of it why are you all of the sudden so eager to get us back to tha table ? Did you get served notice?

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Originally Posted by LoRD_SaMPuaN

nobody told them to go away, they can stay where they are as long as they want - we just arent in this hostile anymore..

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Takes two to end a hostile. IF you havent closed relations.. Sobasically you are still saying " go away we're done"

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Originally Posted by citadela01

I know what we did, and I know why. You ofc refuse any and all responsibility but it was your big mouth that started it all.
Pummeling us more is rly not as much an incentive for us to cf you as you might think.
We are used to week long wars, this is a vacation.

Feel free to pummel away, you are on the clock and you know it.
how many kds arround your size you dont have cf with ?
Bigger and fatter you grow off us worse off you will be in your next conflict.
Will they wait for you to outgrow them and outtrain them hiding behind one side hostile or will they strike before you get in shape?
Is there more than one ? If so who will claim proverbial dibs first for juicy pickings ?

Last age when Feint pulled this crap on us it didnt take us long to get farmed by Sleepy ... lets see how long it takes you.
Come to think of it why are you all of the sudden so eager to get us back to tha table ? Did you get served notice?

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So basically you are okay to be waved now that you "are not in the hostile"??

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Originally Posted by citadela01

I know what we did, and I know why. You ofc refuse any and all responsibility but it was your big mouth that started it all.
Pummeling us more is rly not as much an incentive for us to cf you as you might think.
We are used to week long wars, this is a vacation.

Feel free to pummel away, you are on the clock and you know it.
how many kds arround your size you dont have cf with ?
Bigger and fatter you grow off us worse off you will be in your next conflict.
Will they wait for you to outgrow them and outtrain them hiding behind one side hostile or will they strike before you get in shape?
Is there more than one ? If so who will claim proverbial dibs first for juicy pickings ?

Last age when Feint pulled this crap on us it didnt take us long to get farmed by Sleepy ... lets see how long it takes you.
Come to think of it why are you all of the sudden so eager to get us back to tha table ? Did you get served notice?

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No, Im not eager. Im very happy with where we are, I think things are progressing according to plan. Anyway, you know where to find me if you change your minds and want to end this.

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Originally Posted by LoRD_SaMPuaN

meter isnt really a limiter for only 8 undeads, we can keep going like this for a longer time easily.. but what is the point? we have made attempts to end this with negotiation even before it has begun, but you were set out for revenge, not for a war or fair fight so it didnt come to fruition.. we kept trying diplo options until we decided to get out in this way..

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You were already forced to hold hits after less than three days hostile due to maxing the meter. I think that is a bit of a limiter do you not? Out of curiosity, what would you consider a fair fight? You hade the same NW and same acres as us. WOuld it be fair if we let you explore in peace and then warred 7 days after you got oow? Fact is, we were ocen again on same acres and same nw when hostilities started, the big difference between this age and the age before was that we simply didnt allow you to grow out of range.

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Originally Posted by citadela01

I know what we did, and I know why. You ofc refuse any and all responsibility but it was your big mouth that started it all.
Pummeling us more is rly not as much an incentive for us to cf you as you might think.
We are used to week long wars, this is a vacation.

Feel free to pummel away, you are on the clock and you know it.
how many kds arround your size you dont have cf with ?
Bigger and fatter you grow off us worse off you will be in your next conflict.
Will they wait for you to outgrow them and outtrain them hiding behind one side hostile or will they strike before you get in shape?
Is there more than one ? If so who will claim proverbial dibs first for juicy pickings ?

Last age when Feint pulled this crap on us it didnt take us long to get farmed by Sleepy ... lets see how long it takes you.
Come to think of it why are you all of the sudden so eager to get us back to tha table ? Did you get served notice?

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lol, Ill hiden threats when you are in no position to make them will surely not end this quicker either. As for us being served notice. No we have not been, why would we? We are in a hostile with 137pts on the meter vs 150. Im quite sure that all serious KDs would respect that and not interfere ina 1 vs 1 situation.

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Originally Posted by Tedurur

You were already forced to hold hits after less than three days hostile due to maxing the meter. I think that is a bit of a limiter do you not? Out of curiosity, what would you consider a fair fight? You hade the same NW and same acres as us. WOuld it be fair if we let you explore in peace and then warred 7 days after you got oow? Fact is, we were ocen again on same acres and same nw when hostilities started, the big difference between this age and the age before was that we simply didnt allow you to grow out of range.

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can you define 'same'? - asking because apparently we get the word differently..

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Originally Posted by Tedurur

lol, Ill hiden threats when you are in no position to make them will surely not end this quicker either. As for us being served notice. No we have not been, why would we? We are in a hostile with 137pts on the meter vs 150. Im quite sure that all serious KDs would respect that and not interfere ina 1 vs 1 situation.

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during our hostility with stoners, sleepy DID notice into that (while stoners were actively fighting back via hits & ops) and waved us afterwards - this was both a dealbreak & hitting into hostile, but none of the kds ive contacted agreed with my definition and some of them even hinted that i was hiding behind a hostility to dodge bigger targets..

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Originally Posted by citadela01

I know what we did, and I know why. You ofc refuse any and all responsibility but it was your big mouth that started it all.
Pummeling us more is rly not as much an incentive for us to cf you as you might think.
We are used to week long wars, this is a vacation.

Feel free to pummel away, you are on the clock and you know it.
how many kds arround your size you dont have cf with ?
Bigger and fatter you grow off us worse off you will be in your next conflict.
Will they wait for you to outgrow them and outtrain them hiding behind one side hostile or will they strike before you get in shape?
Is there more than one ? If so who will claim proverbial dibs first for juicy pickings ?

Last age when Feint pulled this crap on us it didnt take us long to get farmed by Sleepy ... lets see how long it takes you.
Come to think of it why are you all of the sudden so eager to get us back to tha table ? Did you get served notice?

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Oh noes, the veiled threats and allusions to ED getting farmed out.

ED might not be the best KD in the game, but I don't know any other KD who will go out of their way to f**k with people who are seen to screw with ED "unjustly", so quite why some KD would look to double hostile ED for the sake of a few acres I'm not sure.

I don't think anyone is keen to get FS "back to the table", I think ED is more likely to not make the same mistake as FS, with giving a free land drop for FS to then farm out some ghetto.

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Originally Posted by LoRD_SaMPuaN

during our hostility with stoners, sleepy DID notice into that (while stoners were actively fighting back via hits & ops) and waved us afterwards - this was both a dealbreak & hitting into hostile, but none of the kds ive contacted agreed with my definition and some of them even hinted that i was hiding behind a hostility to dodge bigger targets..

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Maybe you should make some bigger friends, or ask Parth for advice on how to insult people.

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Originally Posted by silverfox

I don't think anyone is keen to get FS "back to the table", I think ED is more likely to not make the same mistake as FS, with giving a free land drop for FS to then farm out some ghetto.

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this quote clearly shows the foul intentions - you dont want a war nor a cf deal, all you want is to keep hitting fs & hide behind the hostility while you chase your delusional grudge..

Foresight not a threat.

You want cf deal, its our purogative to deny long term deal to you.
Personally id rather sit in fort for another week or so till you finally get bored of hitting us and than go about our bussines than give give legality to this bs attitude by makind some kind of cf deal.

Fact this means we might get in position to pay you back is just bonus.
Also it seema to me this could just be a plot to buy more time.

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Originally Posted by LoRD_SaMPuaN

this quote clearly shows the foul intentions - you dont want a war nor a cf deal, all you want is to keep hitting fs & hide behind the hostility while you chase your delusional grudge..

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Only we have clearly and repeatadly said that any time you want to negotiate a CF you are welcome to come do so - but you have shown no interest. If we overlook that fact, you are absolutely right.

Edit: Not to mention your partner in crime citadelas post just above here...

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Originally Posted by Parth

Only we have clearly and repeatadly said that any time you want to negotiate a CF you are welcome to come do so - but you have shown no interest. If we overlook that fact, you are absolutely right.

Edit: Not to mention your partner in crime citadelas post just above here...

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We had a taste of your negotiations, well pass thnx.

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Originally Posted by Parth

Only we have clearly and repeatadly said that any time you want to negotiate a CF you are welcome to come do so - but you have shown no interest. If we overlook that fact, you are absolutely right.

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what was left to negotiate after you made ridicilous 'non-negotiable' demands?

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Originally Posted by LoRD_SaMPuaN

can you define 'same'? - asking because apparently we get the word differently..

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Well obviously it wasnt the EXACT same acre or nw. But the difference was less than 5%. If we count the acres which you had explored and the troops you had in training you had both more land and nw than us.

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Originally Posted by LoRD_SaMPuaN

what was left to negotiate after you made ridicilous 'non-negotiable' demands?

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I think Ive probably mentioned it like 5 times now, but I think its important to remember: I asked for 4k honor + learn wave. This is less then you asked for last age. If my demands were redicilous, you need to think about what you have done yourselves as well. Anyway, this was 4 days ago, and as stated here in the thread before, a CF is not as expensive now.

Could always ask people that played in Remains how hard Parth and ED holds grudges. :p

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Originally Posted by LoRD_SaMPuaN

during our hostility with stoners, sleepy DID notice into that (while stoners were actively fighting back via hits & ops) and waved us afterwards - this was both a dealbreak & hitting into hostile, but none of the kds ive contacted agreed with my definition and some of them even hinted that i was hiding behind a hostility to dodge bigger targets..

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That was low and nothing I would support.

ooh, but apparently something that you guys support?

Grudge is to valuable an asset to be paid off with land and honor.
It wouldnt feel right to pay it off any other way but in kind.

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Originally Posted by LoRD_SaMPuaN

during our hostility with stoners, sleepy DID notice into that (while stoners were actively fighting back via hits & ops) and waved us afterwards - this was both a dealbreak & hitting into hostile, but none of the kds ive contacted agreed with my definition and some of them even hinted that i was hiding behind a hostility to dodge bigger targets..

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I disagree with this. Of course, getting people to agree with you and act on it are two different things ;p

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Originally Posted by nickey

You guys keep referring to this age over and over again, in the end it was all due poor strategy on your side, we simply outplayed you on all fronts, military & diplomacy. Give acres for it.

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Difference however is that we are not the ones holding a grudge, plus we wanted to solve this conflict from minute 1. You outplayed us on militairy, and you are unreasonable in diplomacy.

Simple facts.

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Originally Posted by Gorash

Difference however is that we are not the ones holding a grudge, plus we wanted to solve this conflict from minute 1. You outplayed us on militairy, and you are unreasonable in diplomacy.

Simple facts.

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You didnt want to solve it, you wanted to set your terms how to end the conflct but what you fail to understand you were in no position to set any terms at all.

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Originally Posted by nickey

So basically you are okay to be waved now that you "are not in the hostile"??

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Sure thing, we are not tagged hostile right?

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Originally Posted by Gorash

Difference however is that we are not the ones holding a grudge, plus we wanted to solve this conflict from minute 1. You outplayed us on militairy, and you are unreasonable in diplomacy.

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Funny, most of our diplo this time has been to repeat your offers last age. So you are saying that you are unreasonable in diplomacy too, if I understand you right?

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Originally Posted by Taraxacum

Funny, most of our diplo this time has been to repeat your offers last age. So you are saying that you are unreasonable in diplomacy too, if I understand you right?

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What is your obsession with last age, does it still hurt so hard? You one of those Elves I smacked? I can understand that hurt... being 'UB' and get ****ed over so hard by some lame orc..

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Originally Posted by Gorash

What is your obsession with last age, does it still hurt so hard? You one of those Elves I smacked? I can understand that hurt... being 'UB' and get ****ed over so hard by some lame orc..

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Why dont you war ED? Man, are you so scared that you had to bring friends to hit them instead? Oh lol, such a pussy.

Gorash, funny how you say this when you get friends in to help in a 1on1... I think it leaves an extremely bad taste both for FS (who i respect a lot) but also Pyro who waves into a full blown hostile, If i was pyro i would be careful of what kind of future dealings for themselves thats they are currently setting.