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I told you at the time what happened and presented you with the evidence which included Bishop restoring our provinces and deleting Versace specifically for hacking us. You just denied it over and over and refused to admit it happened or take any responsibility.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elit
You provide me logs but here is noting clear, its was all your speculations about reason why vers prov got deleted and your back. When i asked Bishop direct about this he told me he cant give me any info if Vers don't give him permission and she simple gone and never return. When i asked Realest he never admit doing it during this time. So you cant expect me to believe you when your hate was way to strong and its easy to make you blind.Quote:
Originally Posted by AquaSeaFoam
Still hack part is not really important in big game. This was used from you for "legit reason" to start what you already start giving us notice 1h before our war with another ABS KD. No point deny fact GB was planed and proceed long before any hack. Its why all your arguments about this is not valid for me. Its just excuse to make you look better for doing GB. Not having hack from Vers side wont have change anything.
I've told you honestly all along that yes, I was approached pre-age about helping gb Sonata when they announced they were back. Since you were brought in to do external relations, it made things less clear and I backed out of the GB. Instead we gave you a "lame" notice before your war and planned to just 1v1 war you after your post war protection. When Versace was discovered to have hacked us, I re-agreed to the GB.
I dont really want to defend Vers, after all this story she never came back and give me explain. Realest left KD for "protect" his players but its put all pressure on me and Dirty had long time planed event so his activity was much less from normal. Deal with all this GB was insane. I can understand both sides/hate but what i cant understand is why Realest never return to have his payback to ABS for GB his people. Its was really shame from him.Quote:
Originally Posted by AquaSeaFoam
From other side what you did this age during GB was really shame too. Your proposes to kick 7 Sonata players is way to much. Its heavy against any moral ethic and game rules. Bishop shold have acted and punished Rage/ABS. Player base decrease because people go extreme like this and dont think other side is people too. So what you did age 50 was really bad from human point view.
Im sure you didn't pay attention but after this age i never played again with same people.Here is your sincere answer about what i think for some people and events age 50.
This is how broken the game is, you get restored after Cheating (Sharing your info - can only be 1 reason) - She gets deleted for using that info (something you heavy did in the past) Rage was like the rest a heavy cheating xlog kingdom (yes past players has said so) but its nothing new, tho its funny how you asf always had an way to get back in, miss using your power as a huge Celeb in the game, i gusse game is like rl, if you are a celerb you can get away with things others cant,Quote:
Originally Posted by AquaSeaFoam
Also just alone the fact you tried to force people out of there own kingdom you should ahve been perm banned from the game, also a reason why it makes no sense you are a mod today, you should never had been forgiven or let alone be allowed to login again, infact i say bart crimes is like 0.00001% to you, you been the for figure for Cheating - Trading - Farming - Xlog - Multies - Gold Farms - power play - admin abuse - power abuse for mor ethen a decaded, and you still have alogin, haha the ironi
And yes Rage was a fine kingdom, but having the full protection of abs and having them block when needed made your wins and playing ground so easy, its so sad to read your, but we had less targets cry cry, it was never a goal for abs to war and defently not on even ground, all planning and setup in abs was blocking, stalling, diplo kings and making sure to trow in the cannon fodder so the weaker abs could server the 3 greats + doa who was kinda middle kingdom, infact the only abs kingdom who deserve any respect now days.
was so easy for rage, eq, and destiny to send in there lab dogs before they picked the rewards, should the abs kingdom loose np then the big would just harveset the gains, should abs kingdom win, then you just sat and wait for the next as the cowards you all was.
i said it before and i say it again, you mr asf has been the worst person (along with catwalk for this game ever) you have forced so many players to leave and have a bad time playing this game (you might even beat wow here), any past history or wins yoiu have is smoke mirros and is worth nothing to the rest of us who know how it went down, its like you played utopia with cheat codes ... wait it was infact what you did.
and before korp or some other forum troll will argue i was just as bad or worse, sure but all i did i learned from mr abs him self and his alliance, i just had to learn fast and play hard as i was 10 ages behind on the cheating part.
and i never tried to deny i did what i did, asf is a politic guy he will lie lie lie to the day he .. gets perm ban ?
Anyways, good luck trying to convince new people how "good" the state of the game now is a often used argument why abs should be back, that is just bull****, its the state of age upon ages of getting supressed and a damage mind of the involved, see it as people comming back from captivity, they will never be the same again and the hardship they had to indure or level of **** they had to go down to becouse of mr abs and his likes will never make them clean or real people again.
Mr.Asf you sir is and will always be the worst thing to happend to utopia and for that you have my forever hate, when that is said you where not alone and none who has or was ever abs can see them self free of being part of the if not dictator regime, close to, you also burned more players then one would ever know.
BIG FU to you.
You're the trash mike you justify your cheating with patethic excuse as "everyone else was doing it!". Besides what is worse that you take pride in being such a cheating scumbag, bragging about how well you cheat. Also the game is in a poor state thanks to losers like you who like to screw over your supposed friends over getting some petty "revenge" on some "absies"
I agree with you Mike about ASF don't have any right to be moderator, from other side game is very small and not many people left. ASF know game mechanic good, his English is really impressive and he can help "new" players. Well i don't think here is any new to game but its different story :)
still so salty but its ok korp, nice attemt to get your daily rocks on (something korp do alot, try and find some fight he can bigger in and derail) but nothing i need to tell you guys you read it every day ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Korp
its also cute you talk like you know the past korp, you dident even play when abs was at its worst.
I haven't read the start of this thread so I don't know if this had already been mentioned but one of the least valuable crowns has to be the BB "crown" couple of ages back. If anything it's a greed crown, the greediest among the greedy crown, no display of skill.
Wait a minute you calling me salty? lol thats hilarious and please look up the OP in this thread and then think about it really hard and then ask whos actually derailing the most. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike^
Its also cute that you think you know anything about my past. :)
Korp honestly speaking you seem to get some salt any time anyone mentions Bart in a remotely positive light. I don't know why some people leave such negative impressions on you but the hate that you harbor doesn't help anyone, especially not you. It's poison that will eat you inside.
well not only do he hate bart but 90% of utopia, but my reason farmout to bacco hurts him alot becouse he was part in it, just dident know, his pride is hurt and he will hate for atleast 10 ages now.
I dont play from long so don't keep track on TOP politic but, but i have read new for me terming "non compete clause". I cant put my finger if its CR or Emeriti first start use it but sure Bart learn it from them. This kind play is very effective but pure cancer to game. Another typical ABS politic is to give very short CFs after they "beat" his competitor so he never get chance for get back in game. Its really lame way to play too. I think many will agree with me but when they are in power spot they prefer effectiveness over challenge. I cant understand bragging about crowns when from long real compete gone. So few kingdoms, quality drop and its all about friendly farming and chart shape.Quote:
Originally Posted by MyNameIsMatija
I dont hate anyone, you confuse hate with dislike. But to me its natural to dislike someone that has such a bad impact on the game. I realize you idolize Bart since he was the first one that was giving you the attention you thought you deservev after being kicked out from your previous kingdoms.Quote:
Originally Posted by MyNameIsMatija
Its not your reason to farm out its the fact that you rather **** over friends to get some personal pleasure from it. Well obviously you dont consider the people friends since you so gladly ****ed them over.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike^
The people who i consider freinds knew about it and was part of it, more then you would think.Quote:
Originally Posted by Korp
So you don't think I completely idolize Bart, in my heart I was against razing the ghettos to have all top 10 provinces that age when we were #1 already. To me if we crowned in any way was more than enough given how the age had gone and all. It's for me when Bart's greed showed a little, nobody is perfect. I do support his razing ghettos that steal GC, it's only way to protect yourself, that's where I blame the mechanics and the devs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elit
Yes i think Bart razing prov in ghetto for win prov crown when he already got what he don't deserve was ultimate greed and shame. I don't think he is first or last doing it too. So i prefer to talk in general not to make it personal.Quote:
Originally Posted by MyNameIsMatija
I can advice Flogger and ASF to play like me last age solo and full incognito not use any from his connection and see how game work. After it if they don't like something they can try to fix it with kingdoms they have power to lead.
So far last age i faced some problems. For example so many times from "ghetto" 20-22 provinces kingdoms i got msg when i hit them "PK" and my hits was retal. No one from top send me msg like this. Imagine if i'm new player and i get scary msgs like this. Sure i wont stay for long in game. I got advice: don't hit bigger kingdoms if you don't want problems...but my kingdoms was 6 provs. We was top 10-6 from bottom. How im supposed to play game if follow this advice?
There was kingdom rob from us almost 3 weeks and ignore and not reply any msg we send. I was very tempted to raze them in his next war...but they got complete smacked so i gave up. Guess what, after they left his war they start rob us again so i gave them last warning. Its turned they play like this not only to us but to some decent waring kingdoms and got razing fest in his eoa war. Some people like to cry so high in forum when they get razed from bigger kingdoms for robing, but they really don't know when to stop. Sure you must raze them hard till they learn gold cant cover losses and start act more polite.
Binar i will say this again. Stop ignoring other people msg (you did it to us too). You are supposed to be leader on TOP kingdom so act like this. Its basic education when some one send you msg to reply him back. Give good example so people can follow it.
I'm happy with this thread. Good work tadpole.
@ Elit; I'm glad you mention the great leaders come down here.
To elaborate on Elits point, in micro-kingdoms, is the exposure to every level in the game. I'm an advocate of this style of play because retaliation is your lifeblood. I'm no diplomat myself so my journeys were always under great pressure, but I really enjoy the freedom.
You get to see everyone as you crawl up the charts. You see the wrecked ghettos, the struggles of the old kingdoms, the trite yet disciplined war kingdoms, you get yelled at by korp, and the valence non-compete and top kingdoms.
Been done.
Flogger found out that Bart razes 2-prov KDs and went on some sort of publicity crusade.
AquaSeaFoam found out that Bart won't let him province crown for free and went onto some sort of GBing rampage.
The great leaders.
So flogger didn't look for personal gains he just pointed out Bart is doing something unethical again?Quote:
Originally Posted by MyNameIsMatija
ASF fail behind in Syntico crown list so its only natural for him to attempt gain 1 more crown, still he is not allowed to reveal his indent to Emeriti or any other KD. If he get special treatment because he is ASF he wont feel real game for other people not being famous.
Im sure if my loc was know Bart will have acted lame too. Sorry but my opinion for him is not very high. He cant compete 1vs1 on event fight. All he know is to give up and spend rest from age bully small kingdoms/provs or arrange framing and chart shaping.
I left my monarch to take care for all CFs we got and didn't use any connection for get us CF. We fight for it. Its how every one in small kingdom face his fate.
EOA we got DB from 2-3 charted kingdoms but none got "lucky" to hit us. I had prepared my army 1.35 mill off, and open few windows for retal instant till last 2 sec before server is down.
I'm not so sure he'd be so worried if it wasn't him and his friend getting razed though (flogger).
As for Bart, he's banned, I do not wish to discuss Bart when he can't speak for himself at all.
Like thats stopped you before..Quote:
As for Bart, he's banned, I do not wish to discuss Bart when he can't speak for himself at all.
He's only been recently banned permanently.
Maybe they can allow him to post in forum but not play? :)
I honestly long for some Barticus presence in the forums.
What did Flogger to get himself razed?Quote:
Originally Posted by MyNameIsMatija
I guess he can give true competition to octo. He is good to get himself razed too :)
Bart did it for bragging rights, "Look I can raze kill the great flogger"
Geez I don't even remember anymore. Some CF drama, no clue really even though I was the one "leading the charge", under Bart's directive. Was a pretty funny situation haha.
Perhaps his crime is he is flogger?
I think Korp is right, and its one from reasons i don't like how Bart play. Raze flogger because its flogger is shame.Quote:
Originally Posted by MyNameIsMatija
Flogger is well know for not able to proper manage his prov... he dont need razes for mess it!
Its shame
It's a shame if you took your DBs out of context probably. Try thinking of his actions as reactions more, you might find more similarities then.
Im sure its both way. Fact Bart know its was flogger mean flogger was involved with top kingdoms. Its his fault too.Quote:
Originally Posted by MyNameIsMatija
I think that flogger revealed his own identity, and that Bart had initially been just razing flogger's kingdom mate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elit
btw flogger you're still on the hook for revenge against Bart... you never did do anything to him.
According to Flogger scaring him in the forum was the sole goal. If you buy that.
Mike, our players had shared their info years prior when they played in a different kingdom with Versace. This was before the new ownership that made trading legal and absolved past indiscretions. Since the infraction was years in the past, before they joined my kingdom and the new owners had since publicly "absolved past sins" the one who then presently used that years old past kingdom info to hack into her former kingdom mates was the one penalized. Rage has never once had any problem with anyone from rage hacking any accounts because Rage has never shared any log in info. Rage never crosslogged and never had a login/pass list. I understand that this is hard for you to accept given the nature of your past kingdoms, but not everyone played like you. When we last talked on IRC, I believe you even asked a friend of yours who played in Rage and he confirmed no one ever had his login/pass and no one ever logged into his account. If I am so bad, then you shouldn't need to make up false accusations. Rage did trade accounts before it was legal so that's a real thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike^
As for forcing people out of a kingdom, let's follow the actual events. 1) Some players organize a massive unprovoked deal break and gb against my kingdom for no reason other than we were too strong to fight 1v1 (a legal game event). 2) Said players delete their provinces and then later join another kingdom as a group and declare that kingdom is the same previous kingdom reborn. 3) Said players hack accounts in my kingdom causing them to be deleted. 4) This new kingdom gets gb'd for revenge (a legal game event) for the past and current events that kingdom pulled. 5) Elit says that since he's now in the kingdom as their external relations guy that there should be no payback for his players hacking others or gbing and deal breaking others. 6) ASF says that yes there should be payback and if he doesn't want to accept responsibility for the actions of the players in his kingdom then he should remove them.
Again, yes Rage traded. We didn't xlog, multi, gold farm, or any other organized farm (yes we owned kingdom in real fights.) We didn't admin abuse (wtf?) Get your facts straight if you're going to accuse. On your list the only ones with any weight are trading (literally everyone did it from super kingdom to ghetto back then) and perhaps "power abuse" but I think this is much less than you would expect and less than you yourself would do.
Rage had some protection by Absalom from unjustified gb's yes, but they probably wouldn't have got gb'd without being in Absalom in the first place. Rage never sent anyone in to block or "soften" opponents. If anything, it was Rage as the one doing the blocking and the softening (still powerplaying but not in the direction you think.) Every kingdom in the top had NAPs and CF deals both Abs and not Abs. If it was truely a big advantage to have a large eoa NAP group, then everyone would NAP everyone. More often than not, the best kingdoms had a significant advantage by having fewer EOA NAPs. There was also a strong political benefit to being "independant."
I think the non-compete clause stuff started in the ages after Abs disbanded and before Emeriti formed. My first experience with it was BB trying to force it on Emeriti after gbing them, but I think it was also used (by BB, others?) prior to this. I think it might have been forced onto RBL after Pew Pew learned them in war instead of trad marching. As for "short CFs" I think you've taken advantage of cf timing as well as anyone else.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elit
Yet no one was gb'd. Sounds like a pretty mild rampage.Quote:
Originally Posted by MyNameIsMatija
what are you talking about? I got no msg ingame or on WAQuote:
Originally Posted by Elit
+1Quote:
Originally Posted by Tadpole
A fine bit of forum work.
My reference was about when 2 kingdoms have 1vs1 equal fight and one side loss second to force some non compete terms and effective kill age for both Kds when some from ages in land chart have only 2-3 kingdoms compete.Quote:
Originally Posted by AquaSeaFoam
About RBL, look like you dont know much. Its was fake war set from Drix/Pew Pew where both kingdoms did intentionally chart shape. RBL let Pew Pew to keep his top honor provinces doing "proper hits management" amd take acres in return Pew Pew got free sci pump. After it Pew Pew chart shape honor chart with insane sci advantage they had.
After his fake war RBL had options to raze his acres and keep all his CFs, or keep acres and choice to war 1vs1 BB or AMA. Drixx didn't want any from choices so all from us (full alliance consider what want solo kingdom) made compromise and let Drix keep his farmed acres in fake war if he agree to stay out from compete. He agree to this, BUT he abuse deal and take second place for NW away from BB.
I did really big mistake for not agree GB RBL/Drix. Its was second age after Pew Pew chart shape with SWEA and for second age BS play worked. If we acted harder maybe game will be better now.
Im talk for last age when my monarch send in game msg propose for CF to Emeriti we didn't get any reply.Quote:
Originally Posted by Binar
Doesn't someone named Drixx play in Emeriti atm? Or at least has played a couple of ages back.
Drixx is former Rage player. I never have hear his name till he take lead after ABS=rage/sanc disband. He was big failure as leader.Quote:
Originally Posted by MyNameIsMatija
I guess after ASF recreate Emeriti he is back in his home under ASF lead again.