Emeriti vs BB?

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21-01-2018, 18:08
octobrev

I know it can be difficult but please try to stay on topic guys. It's for the good of the community.

Is there any material possibility of BB overtaking Emeriti or can I keep sleeping soundly?
21-01-2018, 18:23
Swagger

To fix this mechanic I propose we introduce another mechanic.
I call it

Shockwave Dragon

Upon arrival, immediately stuns the enemy kingdom for 1 day (1 hour), preventing all provinces from using stealth/mana and prevents the Monarch from performing any duties (declare/surrender/cf/etc).
10% lower income. The loss of 20% of new draftees
Limit to one per utopian month (24 hours).

Think of the possibilities!
21-01-2018, 19:07
Tox

Quote:

Originally Posted by Swagger

To fix this mechanic I propose we introduce another mechanic.
I call it

Shockwave Dragon

Upon arrival, immediately stuns the enemy kingdom for 1 day (1 hour), preventing all provinces from using stealth/mana and prevents the Monarch from performing any duties (declare/surrender/cf/etc).
10% lower income. The loss of 20% of new draftees
Limit to one per utopian month (24 hours).

Think of the possibilities!

Maybe once per target kingdom per week, per day could make wars even more cumbersome.
21-01-2018, 22:13
Sheister

Whatever.

I am just so utterly sick of how bull**** strong RKDNW protection is for little ****ty kingdoms randoming into larger ones. The land gains combined with that seem to make it stupidly disproportionate gains and then we all have to read the little kingdoms whining about being bullied.

It is just, frankly, crap.

Make RKDNW slide in with the meter.
21-01-2018, 22:19
Panthira

Quote:

Originally Posted by DavidC

It has nothing to do with the servers. We've explained this several times on the Forums, in personal chats and on Affairs of the State episodes. The server didn't stop for anyone, and it didn't stop for you. If you are attempting a large amount of DB calls on the same target(s) at the same time then you are going to get OOPS. Every time a write is made to a DB table that table is locked for a period of time (tiny amounts of time) however if you try to call that DB table while it is locked you will get OOPS. Unless you'd prefer to go back to the Mehul days where lots of people can write at the same time and actions aren't recorded correctly, this is the system that is in place. In order to keep accurate record of the transactions in the order they occur this is necessary.

Attacks can occur very quickly, there are ways around this but suggesting everyone attack at the exact same time and loading 4x tabs for every hit to make sure it goes through made things far worse[if I'm understanding what you said correctly]. By doing that you likely made it far worse.

I read people saying that a database can handle multiple requests at the same time. Having learned more about this, this last semester, there are simple ways to code requests so oops doesnt happen, kinda similar to a queue. That would take some work tho, to clean up and sort out old code which can be a *****, especially in python (plus php, javascript, sql, etc).

I think a timer is a terrible idea and defeats the purpose of auto-cf.
21-01-2018, 22:27
Memster

Quote:

Originally Posted by Panthira

I read people saying that a database can handle multiple requests at the same time. Having learned more about this, this last semester, there are simple ways to code requests so oops doesnt happen, kinda similar to a queue. That would take some work tho, to clean up and sort out old code which can be a *****, especially in python (plus php, javascript, sql, etc).

I think a timer is a terrible idea and defeats the purpose of auto-cf.

You know how to fix a lot of the issues with auto-cf? Make ops move the meter! No more dragging hostiles... no more controlled throttling (this needs to just go).
21-01-2018, 22:34
Chris121

Quote:

Originally Posted by Memster

You know how to fix a lot of the issues with auto-cf? Make ops move the meter! No more dragging hostiles... no more controlled throttling (this needs to just go).

I think it screws things up for the rest of the server (non top KDs) though. Ops currently allow a small KD a way to defend from continued waves by a big KD.
21-01-2018, 22:37
Memster

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Originally Posted by Chris121

I think it screws things up for the rest of the server (non top KDs) though. Ops currently allow a small KD a way to defend from continued waves by a big KD.

It's literally the same mechanic for the top kds and non top kds. Insta-cf was designed to make sure you don't get fed on for weeks at a time. 50 hits is a fair price for a cf. Don't like that, then hit and op and fight back. You can control this and still force a cf after 75 hits to your 25 hits (and your 25 hits can essentially erase gains from the 75).

Edit: 25 hits = 50 points. This would be ops and hits now...
21-01-2018, 22:52
Chris121

Quote:

Originally Posted by Memster

50 hits is a fair price for a cf.

I agree it's the same mechanic, but the way people play is different.

Outside of the top, I don't think most KDs think 50 hits is a fair price for a CF (particularly if the KD hitting you is way out of range). Ops are currently a way for a KD in that situation to try to make the bully KD go away before 50 hits.
21-01-2018, 23:01
Memster

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris121

I agree it's the same mechanic, but the way people play is different.

Outside of the top, I don't think most KDs think 50 hits is a fair price for a CF (particularly if the KD hitting you is way out of range). Ops are currently a way for a KD in that situation to try to make the bully KD go away before 50 hits.

Most people in the top will give a cf for less than 50 hits as well. 50 hits is a fair price when you throw in ops. I think even the rest of the server would tend to agree with that (but maybe I'd be surprised)
21-01-2018, 23:23
Chris121

Quote:

Originally Posted by Memster

50 hits is a fair price when you throw in ops.

I think this is top KD mentality though. Correct me if I am wrong, but I think you are looking it as 'how many hits would the bigger KD need to make taking the ops worthwhile?'. Whereas in the rest of the server, the KD being hit is thinking 'this is really annoying we keep getting waved by KDs far bigger than us and it kills a ton of troops'. The fact that they can op in return is just a side note, and for the KDs that have a bit of an idea how to use the mechanics, a way to try to get the waves to stop.

Some anecdotal examples:

1. How many non-top KDs have you seen saying ops should move the meter?

2. http://forums.utopia-game.com/showth...llies-and-scum : "only" 31 hits over 48 hours.

3. I played in an alright war KD for the last few ages, but not the kind of 'get everyone online for a wave' kind of KD. We waved KDs near out size (guessing 95%, certainly not under 90%). Often they didn't want to war, as is normal, and naturally they wanted us to stop waving immediately (even though obviously we had spent time planning, plus used stealth/mana on intel and ops etc). Usually they wouldn't get mega annoyed if we finish the first wave. That's probably about 15 attacks because the KD wasn't full and some T/Ms (and the set-up / skill level was such that most people would only be making 1 attack per unique at that point). If we continued into a 2nd wave, they would generally get very annoyed and think we were bullies (we didn't usually continue into a 2nd wave provided that they would agree a CF).

4. When my KD got waved by a much bigger KD that we obviously couldn't realistically war, people rapidly became frustrated even after 1 wave. Especially if we are being abducted which is killing elites and then starts a circle where randoms hit too. We would op back and generally get a CF fairly quickly. If we couldn't op back (or doing so would give them ops on us..!) and had to wait for 2-3 waves of hits, I think people would have been completely demotivated.
21-01-2018, 23:41
StratOcastle

Squeaky wheel flavored oil comment here.

Most of these mechanics don't get tested till someone buries the needle. We've had silly encounters all age. Who are those Bob Ross guys anyway? - I can understand the complaints from the nth degree, it's just that meandering around mechanics at the extreme isn't where most of us play.

So BB deferred. Emeriti is probably aiming for the next rebellion. Button up renegades.
21-01-2018, 23:48
Binar

Quote:

Originally Posted by StratOcastle

Squeaky wheel flavored oil comment here.

Most of these mechanics don't get tested till someone buries the needle. We've had silly encounters all age. Who are those Bob Ross guys anyway? - I can understand the complaints from the nth degree, it's just that meandering around mechanics at the extreme isn't where most of us play.

So BB deferred. Emeriti is probably aiming for the next rebellion. Button up renegades.

I thought this was a Strategy RPG for hardcore players?
22-01-2018, 00:35
Persain

Quote:

Originally Posted by Binar

I thought this was a Strategy RPG for hardcore players?

"Hardcore" i wanna be a dirty dirty casual and still call both kds nubs :P
22-01-2018, 01:53
Sheister

Meh I was ready to be hardcore until week two. Then I stopped for the most part once emeriti had it sewn up.
22-01-2018, 02:48
StratOcastle

Quote:

Originally Posted by Binar

I thought this was a Strategy RPG for hardcore players?

You can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink. My manifesto in RPG forum is my meditation. If I find 24 I'll let you know.
22-01-2018, 05:04
Raikon

Came to read expecting tears kinda disappointed
22-01-2018, 08:26
sUpeRneBU

Quote:

Originally Posted by Binar

The auto-CF is a terrible idea in the first place and has only led to weeklong one way hostiles. This timing thing would atleast give SOME perks back to the initiating kd

I think u meant 3-week long
22-01-2018, 15:36
Sheister

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Originally Posted by Raikon

Came to read expecting tears kinda disappointed

In so many ways, this thread fails to deliver.
22-01-2018, 16:07
Memster

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sheister

In so many ways, this thread fails to deliver.

How else would you like it to deliver? 2 KDs are EOA CF'd so not much else can happen
22-01-2018, 16:17
SnirpsneR

Quote:

Originally Posted by DavidC

It has nothing to do with the servers. We've explained this several times on the Forums, in personal chats and on Affairs of the State episodes. The server didn't stop for anyone, and it didn't stop for you. If you are attempting a large amount of DB calls on the same target(s) at the same time then you are going to get OOPS. Every time a write is made to a DB table that table is locked for a period of time (tiny amounts of time) however if you try to call that DB table while it is locked you will get OOPS. Unless you'd prefer to go back to the Mehul days where lots of people can write at the same time and actions aren't recorded correctly, this is the system that is in place. In order to keep accurate record of the transactions in the order they occur this is necessary.

Attacks can occur very quickly, there are ways around this but suggesting everyone attack at the exact same time and loading 4x tabs for every hit to make sure it goes through made things far worse[if I'm understanding what you said correctly]. By doing that you likely made it far worse.

Game was actually playable under mehul without this crap.
22-01-2018, 16:17
SnirpsneR

Quote:

Originally Posted by DavidC

Now there is something I can work with. Providing a countdown timer before auto-cf can be pressed once the threshold is met is a good idea

So instead of fixing the issue you make a change but the issue still isnt solved.

Also anyone wanna paste current ranking?
22-01-2018, 16:45
Swagger

Rank Kingdom Island Total lands
1 EMERITI (6:10) Mortov 224,426 acres
2 Ancient Spartans (7:19) Icia 191,647 acres
3 BlameMod (6:12) Porsta 187,427 acres
4 Go Go Gryffindor (3:16) Xanth 170,758 acres
5 DoA - Destruction of Armies (7:6) Islia 147,157 acres
6 Resilience (7:8) Kamoria 144,905 acres
7 Help find GF 4 Bry- FG hostile (4:15) Verdok 115,025 acres
8 Back to resting (5:20) Narsta 111,515 acres
9 Civil Disobedience wants war (1:15) Verdok 105,581 acres
10 Ruthless (5:11) Nen 103,185 acres
11 Whats your Lucky number (5:6) Islia 98,942 acres
12 Hipmunks GG 3-7 (3:14) Targo 93,809 acres
13 Sheep (6:11) Nen 91,172 acres
14 THE MISFITS-Summer is Coming (7:13) Rastov 90,784 acres
15 Canwe Ice You (5:13) Rastov 87,316 acres
16 Paintrain Vs Incapable Servers (6:9) Linst 87,161 acres
17 The Revolution (6:14) Targo 84,115 acres
18 Mythos War (2:6) Islia 78,045 acres
19 Electric Sheep WAR AoD (3:18) Cantora 77,361 acres
20 Bookworms AoD WAR (6:5) Harkolia 77,272 acres
22-01-2018, 18:44
Sheister

Quote:

Originally Posted by Swagger

Rank Kingdom Island Total lands
1 EMERITI (6:10) Mortov 224,426 acres
2 Ancient Spartans (7:19) Icia 191,647 acres
3 BlameMod (6:12) Porsta 187,427 acres
4 Go Go Gryffindor (3:16) Xanth 170,758 acres
5 DoA - Destruction of Armies (7:6) Islia 147,157 acres
6 Resilience (7:8) Kamoria 144,905 acres
7 Help find GF 4 Bry- FG hostile (4:15) Verdok 115,025 acres
8 Back to resting (5:20) Narsta 111,515 acres
9 Civil Disobedience wants war (1:15) Verdok 105,581 acres
10 Ruthless (5:11) Nen 103,185 acres
11 Whats your Lucky number (5:6) Islia 98,942 acres
12 Hipmunks GG 3-7 (3:14) Targo 93,809 acres
13 Sheep (6:11) Nen 91,172 acres
14 THE MISFITS-Summer is Coming (7:13) Rastov 90,784 acres
15 Canwe Ice You (5:13) Rastov 87,316 acres
16 Paintrain Vs Incapable Servers (6:9) Linst 87,161 acres
17 The Revolution (6:14) Targo 84,115 acres
18 Mythos War (2:6) Islia 78,045 acres
19 Electric Sheep WAR AoD (3:18) Cantora 77,361 acres
20 Bookworms AoD WAR (6:5) Harkolia 77,272 acres

You answered the wrong question. The answer to his question was either "yes" or "no"
22-01-2018, 19:33
Swagger

I actually strongly considered posting the bocan land rankings
22-01-2018, 22:40
protector

<removed>

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Originally Posted by Proteus

Because they lame-played us in the past for no reason by manipulating EOA charts and ruined whatever relations we had.

So has Emeriti towards BB. You should move on at some point, but I guess some nubs will never move on lol.

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Originally Posted by Proteus

It’s kinda like BB right now without flogger, that kd isn’t crowning again without him. Need active LS blood to keep the heart pumping.

Newsflash: I crowned BB without flogger. More than once actually if you'd take the honor crown into consideration as well (I guess it does since in your eyes even the smallest things matter)

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Originally Posted by Korp

Just deleting posts is a horrible way of moderating. Especially when said moderator isnt consequent and just deletes random post that are off topic and not all off them.

Dont backseatmoderate! :-D

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Originally Posted by Binar

wow, so toxic both ways..... Iam kinda baffled tbh... I felt that mine and astron's diplo went rather well even if we didnt come to any agreement. I guess the conflict/hate runs deep in other members of both kds

See my comment towards Proteus. I think it's time both just bury whatever happened and move on, since it went both ways

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Originally Posted by Binar

Yes its very frustrating cause you never know what you have to plan for in this stupid game.
And what really pisses me off is the Devs replying: "you all pressed at the same time, what do you think would happen?" Like 0.1% of the server interacts at the same time and the server cant handle it. Makes me wanna quit this stupid game all together. They allready took most of the skill away from this game, and now you arent even rewarded for activity and planing.

Server has always been a real issue since it went out of Mehuls hands. Prior it was laggy OOP, but alas, it worked. Nowadays it can't handle 3k users with a peak of ~3-400. It's either really crappy coding or some real dodgy 486 from Mehuls days thats still running as server :-p
Quitting is the best thing to do tbh, saves you loads of time!
Also saves you loads of time being mad about oopses
23-01-2018, 01:58
Shortizz

Quote:

Originally Posted by DavidC

It has nothing to do with the servers. We've explained this several times on the Forums, in personal chats and on Affairs of the State episodes. The server didn't stop for anyone, and it didn't stop for you. If you are attempting a large amount of DB calls on the same target(s) at the same time then you are going to get OOPS. Every time a write is made to a DB table that table is locked for a period of time (tiny amounts of time) however if you try to call that DB table while it is locked you will get OOPS. Unless you'd prefer to go back to the Mehul days where lots of people can write at the same time and actions aren't recorded correctly, this is the system that is in place. In order to keep accurate record of the transactions in the order they occur this is necessary.

Attacks can occur very quickly, there are ways around this but suggesting everyone attack at the exact same time and loading 4x tabs for every hit to make sure it goes through made things far worse[if I'm understanding what you said correctly]. By doing that you likely made it far worse.

What a terrible excuse. Its not just opening 4 tabs to attack or multiple ppl doing it on the same target. A simple SOT OP on another province which i am 100% isnt being OP-ed on and is not online causes OOPS. Even trying to click and read the War Forum has been OOPs for the past 24 hours now. Your servers are the problem, stop giving excuses that none of us believe here. Im done with this OOPs bs, definitely the last age for alot of ppl in my KD.

And yes, feel free to bring us back to Mehul days, at least that was playable. The first step to fixing and saving this game is to admit your mistakes and problems. Please delete the entire suggestion forum until you do that.
23-01-2018, 22:49
MyNameIsMatija

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Originally Posted by protector

Lol'd. Good post (didn't think this day would come)

I'm still waiting.
24-01-2018, 03:56
Proteus

Quote:

Originally Posted by protector

Proteus a mod... probably worse than DHaran.

Lol'd. Good post (didn't think this day would come)

So has Emeriti towards BB. You should move on at some point, but I guess some nubs will never move on lol.

Newsflash: I crowned BB without flogger. More than once actually if you'd take the honor crown into consideration as well (I guess it does since in your eyes even the smallest things matter)

Dont backseatmoderate! :-D

See my comment towards Proteus. I think it's time both just bury whatever happened and move on, since it went both ways

Server has always been a real issue since it went out of Mehuls hands. Prior it was laggy OOP, but alas, it worked. Nowadays it can't handle 3k users with a peak of ~3-400. It's either really crappy coding or some real dodgy 486 from Mehuls days thats still running as server :-p
Quitting is the best thing to do tbh, saves you loads of time!
Also saves you loads of time being mad about oopses

When did Emeriti block BB from crowning when Emeriti was not a contender? Never. BB on the other hand blocked after they farmed out in war and had no chance to win themselves but decided to stay in in spite of promises from multiple leaders that they would WD. BB also attempted to influence top land charts this age in spite of not being a contender. So that’s twice now.

Also Emeriti-BB having a grudge hurts BB a thousands times more given Emeriti has beaten BB in every single fight and up probably over 200k acres collectively across conflicts over the last several years. Go figure.

So my offer stands, when BB gives free acres and apologizes we can set relations, until then we’re content to keep beating you 1v1 like we always do.

When you have to add an honor crown to your count really shows your grasping for straws. I have a bunch of random non-kd land crowns I don’t mention as they aren’t relevant.
24-01-2018, 09:17
protector

Quote:

Originally Posted by Proteus

When did Emeriti block BB from crowning when Emeriti was not a contender? Never. BB on the other hand blocked after they farmed out in war and had no chance to win themselves but decided to stay in in spite of promises from multiple leaders that they would WD. BB also attempted to influence top land charts this age in spite of not being a contender. So that’s twice now.

Since when is lame-play limited to 1 thing? Or is it just whatever suits you? I guess it's the latter. You're nothing more than a hypocrit riding other peoples coattails.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Proteus

Also Emeriti-BB having a grudge hurts BB a thousands times more given Emeriti has beaten BB in every single fight and up probably over 200k acres collectively across conflicts over the last several years. Go figure.

How has it not hurt you when it cost you a few crowns? If you aim for a crown and finish 2nd it doesn't matter if you take 10 or 1000000 acres; you've still lost the race.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Proteus

So my offer stands, when BB gives free acres and apologizes we can set relations, until then we’re content to keep beating you 1v1 like we always do.

I haven't gotten free acres nor apologies from Emeriti.

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Originally Posted by Proteus

When you have to add an honor crown to your count really shows your grasping for straws. I have a bunch of random non-kd land crowns I don’t mention as they aren’t relevant.

Winning is winning though? I only mention it since you cared so much about every crown, and you still do.
Let me ask you this: how often did you crown without riding asf's and dorje's coattails?
24-01-2018, 09:18
protector

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Originally Posted by MyNameIsMatija

I'm still waiting.

Patience!
24-01-2018, 09:41
Korp

Why isnt this thread being enforced as the rules states even after a moderator said get back on topic?

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Originally Posted by Palem

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-3Z9wrACuO.../s400/damn.gif

I get it. Proteus gets it. Everyone gets it. Irony.

Now please discuss Emeriti vs BB
24-01-2018, 18:19
Humanoize

Go emeriti!
27-01-2018, 00:03
Shai

I see BB broke CF with alot of kds and made +4h hits with ws last minute of age. Wonder how much land they got? was around 20k when I did sn but still more hits to come then
27-01-2018, 00:04
skraz

they hit into active hostiles as well, like into ronins vs resiliance
27-01-2018, 00:07
Madchess

wonder if the push gave them enougth land, my steward wanted to last minute hit them but found he could not, I told him it would have been a bad idea anyway since so many was online.
27-01-2018, 00:11
Shai

Quote:

Originally Posted by skraz

they hit into active hostiles as well, like into ronins vs resiliance

yeah I noticed it when I did a sn on Ronin :P
04-02-2018, 15:03
tak3shi

Proteus a mod, wth. Is this a troll forum? Glad to see things are still going downhill!
07-02-2018, 05:54
Syntico

There's no need to be salty.
07-02-2018, 09:01
StratOcastle

I just joined a pirate kingdom, so now there is.

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