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11-02-2017, 23:00
Meep

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Originally Posted by AquaSeaFoam

Munk, to me it sounds like the deal was a result of a discussion to enable one of you two to get in position vs Emeriti, but it seems that the details were not clarified and that wsk took "winner" to mean the one who came out in best position while CR took winner to be the won who got the ww even if down acres and in worse position overall. Most likely, you both expected those two things would be the same and neither bothered to clarify the informal farmout clause details. Based on that, I wouldn't say that wsk dealbroke by saying that round 2 was needed to determine the "winner" since round 1, wsk finished in better position but CR got the ww.

Had wsk intentionally made a dodge war before round 2 could happen, I could understand the anger and potentially even hitting into war, but as far as I'm aware, Clash royal waved wsk completely unwanted and unexpected. You can't blame them for declaring in that situation. Last age when you waved Emeriti into their existing double hostile and Emeriti was preparing to declare you, another kingdom waved you. You declared that kingdom despite your existing active conflict. Emeriti didn't hit into your war and instead gave you a cf.

So asf, here's the question.

If wsk dealbreaks

And then gets a farm war

We can't just give a free cf to them to reward them

But also they're getting a farm war and going to come out in WAY better shape for a round 2.

I didn't want to raze wsk, but I'm not sure what the right course of action should've been.
11-02-2017, 23:00
munk

ASF, that might be fine -- but their argument wasn't that their ended the biggest size, but that conflict wasn't over and war was still on.

cRs, I dont know what dubai said -- you're saying he said that, but that's not what you were using as an argument to topsy. You argument is that war is not over. If war is not over and you enter ANOTHER war without making a CF with us, you can't really complain about 2v1. We even tried to make a cf to make a war likely at another time. You flat out refused.
11-02-2017, 23:04
cRs

There is no justify for hitting into someone esle war.. stop finding excuses. Period
11-02-2017, 23:07
coss

Meep and Munk, all your bullsh!t stands on a very light thing. That "deal". I told you several times already. There was no official deal but just talks and I insisted to be no deal cause things can go wild and end in a ****ty situation. And guess what, I was right. So just stop the bull**** cause there is proof of Dubai telling me there was no official deal. I already posted that many pages ago. Yes I know, dubai is not LS. Well ... what can I say ... Meep you sent Dubai to speak with me and said he is the one I should speak with cause you have no authority in CR. REMEMBER?
11-02-2017, 23:08
Meep

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Originally Posted by cRs

There is no justify for hitting into someone esle war.. stop finding excuses. Period

Stop making absolute statements.

There are obviously some circumstances in which razing into war is fine.

From there it's up to debate and personal opinions where the line is drawn.

And obviously a lot of people have a lot of different standards for when it's appropriate
11-02-2017, 23:08
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Originally Posted by AquaSeaFoam

Munk, to me it sounds like the deal was a result of a discussion to enable one of you two to get in position vs Emeriti, but it seems that the details were not clarified and that wsk took "winner" to mean the one who came out in best position while CR took winner to be the won who got the ww even if down acres and in worse position overall. Most likely, you both expected those two things would be the same and neither bothered to clarify the informal farmout clause details. Based on that, I wouldn't say that wsk dealbroke by saying that round 2 was needed to determine the "winner" since round 1, wsk finished in better position but CR got the ww.

Had wsk intentionally made a dodge war before round 2 could happen, I could understand the anger and potentially even hitting into war, but as far as I'm aware, Clash royal waved wsk completely unwanted and unexpected. You can't blame them for declaring in that situation. Last age when you waved Emeriti into their existing double hostile and Emeriti was preparing to declare you, another kingdom waved you. You declared that kingdom despite your existing active conflict. Emeriti didn't hit into your war and instead gave you a cf.

You really need to stop with this oop triple hostile crap. These aren't remotely comparable events.

1) OOP doesn't count for anything. It's a known free for all. You had your hands in the cookie jar trying to train def with 2x 25 prov kds on your island and another lurking one island over. Crying multi hostile in OOP is beyond laughable. By your logic that 15 man ghetto on every island that gets farmed within the first hour should be protected.

2) Binar was the one who sent the ghetto at us to peel us off you. An OOP war would have been devastating for your crowning chances. You can pretend that you were going to train up and fight, but we both know that wasn't going to happen at all. Please cut the bull****. It hurts any salient points you might manage to throw in there in your 10000 word essays.

And of course there's obvious **** like a deal between two kingdoms that didn't exist in your OOP fantasy.
11-02-2017, 23:11
brandonc204

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11-02-2017, 23:14
Korp

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Originally Posted by brandonc204

Am I the only one who is going to point out that a back to back war is bull**** anyway? If a KD wins the first one AND gets the advantage of post war reward, the losing KD stands no chance.

Back to back wars sounds like one real war and one fake one to me.

Someone bringing the pain to Emiriti would be nice, but jeez. So much drama.

Which makes it interesting that WSK just happend to get waved by a much smaller kingdom so they could avoid b2b war with CR. Just sayin..
11-02-2017, 23:15
AquaSeaFoam

Meep, If you used the time to use pool, stock gc, etc, you would have been in great position to beat them right out of their war.

Munk, regardless of how well they presented their arguments, you already agree it wasn't practical to take the land anyway, and the reality is that relations are reset after a war, so while there was a planned b2b, and it was open for debate if a real winner had been yet determined, it's a poor excuse to hit into war and wasn't needed.

SHP, Binar didn't send anybody at you. Emeriti was 100% confident in beating you in war and the 5k ww bonus is significant oop. Emeriti felt very screwed after cfing the other two kingdoms they had the button on and could have beat in war to focus on declaring you then having you jump to another war leaving them without a war and ww bonus that would have recovered their start.
11-02-2017, 23:15
coss

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Originally Posted by Meep

Stop making absolute statements.

There are obviously some circumstances in which razing into war is fine.

I'll save this to show it to you with proximal occasion.
11-02-2017, 23:16
brandonc204

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11-02-2017, 23:17
Meep

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Originally Posted by coss

Meep and Munk, all your bullsh!t stands on a very light thing. That "deal". I told you several times already. There was no official deal but just talks and I insisted to be no deal cause things can go wild and end in a ****ty situation. And guess what, I was right. So just stop the bull**** cause there is proof of Dubai telling me there was no official deal. I already posted that many pages ago. Yes I know, dubai is not LS. Well ... what can I say ... Meep you sent Dubai to speak with me and said he is the one I should speak with cause you have no authority in CR. REMEMBER?

I never sent dubai to talk to you.

I never sent anyone to talk to you.

I don't have much authority here, I didn't want us to raze you.

Multiple people were apparently unhappy with me for getting us a free eoacf with binar so we could b2b you unimpeded.

Don't conflate me with CR.
11-02-2017, 23:17
coss

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Originally Posted by Korp

Which makes it interesting that WSK just happend to get waved by a much smaller kingdom so they could avoid b2b war with CR. Just sayin..

You Mr. should just get a pause from being a troll and actually use these 3 neurons you have left that can only make a synapse to produce a stupid idea over and over again. Just sayin ...
11-02-2017, 23:19
coss

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Originally Posted by Meep

I never sent dubai to talk to you.

I never sent anyone to talk to you.

I don't have much authority here, I didn't want us to raze you.

Multiple people were apparently unhappy with me for getting us a free eoacf with binar so we could b2b you unimpeded.

Don't conflate me with CR.

Dude, it was on utonet. There were couple of people around. How much of a lier can you be? It was just when we were about to farm the sh!t out of PI and thru long discussions all 3 top kds ended giving EOA CF to PI and Sparta. Now do you REMEBER?

I'll try again ... you just farmed sparta GC for acres after their war with PI ... REMEBER?
11-02-2017, 23:19
Elldallan

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Originally Posted by brandonc204

Am I the only one who is going to point out that a back to back war is bull**** anyway? If a KD wins the first one AND gets the advantage of post war reward, the losing KD stands no chance.

Back to back wars sounds like one real war and one fake one to me.

Someone bringing the pain to Emiriti would be nice, but jeez. So much drama.

Forced b2b's are a long established precedent. Yes the loosing kingdom stands no chance and that's the whole point, it's just acre collection.
Now this case is somewhat different in that the "loosing" kd wd'ed up on acres and to save their cows, so they want to consolidate that and collect more acres, it's fairly standard practice but it's been quite a few ages since there was enough competition for that to be meaningful.

No the b2b war isn't a fakewar because it's an active one, just that the dominant side pushing the weaker side into a 150points meter farmout situation, it's a ****ty thing and only exists because of the stupid meter cap, but it exists all the same.

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Originally Posted by brandonc204

Sounds like the monarch of Clash Royale saw a top competitor wounded a bit and pounced. Smart move.

Yes Clash Royale has done nothing wrong in all of this(assuming the accusation of dealbreak is the bull**** it seems to be), wsk has.

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