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I would if I was wrong, but I'm not.
Not you personally, that was more of a mentality mirror comment.
where is that pic I have about arguing on the internet and the special olympics........
Sheister - It's not a matter of him being wrong. It's a matter of him giving out very bad advice and saying it's awesome.
It's not awesome. I've shown why it's not awesome here and countless others have shown why it's not awesome in other various scenarios. I don't even want a "You are right, I am wrong" out of gojete, I just want to make a very clear that it's a fail strat.
Given the current situation, I think it's pretty clear how fail it is given that it's loudest speaker is afraid to give out his loc to me of all people, let alone someone who actually plays well.
lol Thanks for the link, Palem :P
oh that is a good one Palem. I love it! LOL.
Youre not seeing clear
You are posting dream scenarios that you imagine, can you see the wrongness of trying to say reality is a dream ?
you are posting me numbers , predictions , thoughts, and things based on your mind.
Im saying homes work against 80% players in utopia, and not only do they work they work great. Unlike you im not saying it out of my imagination, or because i tested the strat on the calculator again, why is this not clear yet, all of your points come out of your imagination.
I have tested homes for 2 ages in and out war, and they work great.
Why is it a bad advice ? to give a strat that works against the vast majority of the population in utopia .
Like i said , one learns to use homes and BE , my BE was at 145% , you are not even reading , what is my race and personality ? youre debating yourselves here, because you cant see beyond your thoughts.
My BE is at 138% right now , now .
Why do you keep saying its a bad advice if it works great ? proven facts, 2 ages of warfare .
You want me to read your posts full of numbers that come out of your imagination when i already tested it and its real?
Why do you want me to argue your arguments when they are fictitious , i rather stick with reality, and the reality is that high homes work great .
All this analogies about beating your dog at ping pong, youre really getting out of yourself there, what is wrong with you.
I dont think you are aware of all the wrongness in your analogies of playing pingpong with a dog and drinking 15 coolers and being a good drinker.
Your analogies dont have a place in reality, they are all coming out of your own education and prejudices that you have in your mind.
You have a belief of what is good and what is bad . And you bring it into this discussion .
We warred some of the best ghettos out of the top 100 charts, if in your view they are dogs , nieces ,, coolers , and 7 years olds , thats your personal view. See you are bringing your personal beliefs in a strategy talk, i understand your point of view , all of you.
I know that you have strong belief that people should strife to be in the top 50, i understand your belief and ideals that ppl should all play in 25 ppl kingdoms that log in at least twice a day to feel good about yourself,
I understand all of your beliefs and ideals and i know that in order to feel good you think and imagine that you have to do all this things .
You are just translating your personal views of the world into the game.
I understand that you have to feel good by trying to achieve whatever it is that you have to achieve.
Can you see yourselves how wrong you are ?
I really cant make myself clear here, i wish we could talk face to face , and it would be easier.
What im saying is that you have your beliefs, which are strong in you, you belief that everyone has to try to achieve a high place in the ranks and that everyone has to aim to what you call " get better " before they feel accomplished .
Since this is your goal, to play the game a certain way, and you feel is right, and that is good , and so on, when you see someone who doesnt give a damn about your beliefs , then you instantly feel threatened .
And this is the only and solely reason you say high homes is a bad strat, and is a self defeating strat and all that, because in your mind, you believe strongly that everyone should think like you, and whoever doesnt think like you is wrong.
Without prejudices , without beliefs , without im right youre wrong attitude . A strat that works agains 85% of the server, is a pretty good damn strat, and add to that , that its easy to do, that it gives tons of benefits.
Pretty much the only bad thing about homes, is in your personal opinion, that it might not work in kingdoms like the monkeys, like the archangels, and like other semi ghetto " good kds" . And of this kds there are probably no more than 50.
So the only bad thing about homes, is only going to affect you if you play in this 50 kds.
Dude really, take the prejudice away, and see for a fact , that the only bad thing with homes is that it might not work kds that been around for ages.
For everyone else , it works great . Trying not being biased , forgetting your brainwash, see that the only reason that you dislike high homes and my strats is because you are afraid that you might be wrong , maybe its wrong to try to get in a top 50 kd, maybe its wrong to be in a kingdom of 25 ppl who can all log in at least twice a day.
Have you ever considered , deeply , that your beliefs of what is a good kingdom, your beliefs and ideals of what is achievement, of what is good , of what you think is the right thing to do, could be completely self destructive and wrong ?
Making all this analogies about 7 yrs old , is a very good thing, you can observe yourself.
After all this ages, you can see that most top kds are the same ppl, the same players, good warrying kds are mostly all the same and stuff, so its obvious that since there has not been that many kds that fight the " good kds in utopia" , it means after all this ages, that most ppl dont give a damn about what you believe is good or bad, and most ppl dont care and are not willing to spend their time accomplishing something that you strongly believe in .
There is no right nor wrong, it would be "wrong" to say that you are wrong in your views, just because more than 3/4 of the server are not willing to play like you do, or to try to achieve what you do.
But in a democracy , having the majority of the votes win, and utopia has voted , age after age, that trying to be a what you call " good kingdom" is not worth it .
So basically you are the one who is wrong and high homes is right.
Then again like i say i dont believe, so i dont think you are wrong for wanting to play in an active kd and stuff.
Im just saying , that most ppl in utopia have fun warrying ppl around their level, We even lost a war right now, and were very happy that we are out of it because we want to rebuild and test new strats and so on, and were having a great time even when we lose, just as we will have a great time when we win and so on.
We do not live struggling thinking " oh i cant be happy until im top 20 " , " oh i cant be fultfilled until i win a crown" " oh i must feel like crap because i didnt make it to the to 100" ,
Many people dont have your trauma of achieving in a game that is all about imagination. You click on a mouse and on a keyboard and you get feelings out of it.
Do you get the feeling of having achieved something out of clicking ? NO
You get your feelings of what is good or bad out of your own ideas and imagination . This game is a virtual reality, is all in your head, what you thing is good or right is in your head. This is only a psycological game . Yet you fail to see this.
This is not like Its good that we have the magnetic field around the earth and all the protection earth has to protect us against the sun and asteroids and comets and all that.
You can say that its good that earth has all of this, because it keeps life alive .
But if your objective and goal was to kill all life , then earth protections would be bad, since they dont agree with your motives .
Do you see what i mean?
You basicaly say high homes is bad , because it doesnt go along with your personal goals and beliefs , not because the strat itself works or not.
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Youre not seeing clear
You are posting dream scenarios that you imagine
Still waiting on that loc.
And i supposed you have fought 80% of utopia players...
these numbers are the LAWS of the game they are how utopia exists. arguing against them is as dumb as trying to convince us tht gravity is dumb numbers somebody invented,Quote:
Why do you keep saying its a bad advice if it works great ? proven facts, 2 ages of warfare .
You want me to read your posts full of numbers that come out of your imagination when i already tested it and its real?
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All this analogies about beating your dog at ping pong, youre really getting out of yourself there, what is wrong with you.
I dont think you are aware of all the wrongness in your analogies of playing pingpong with a dog and drinking 15 coolers and being a good drinker.
Your analogies dont have a place in reality, they are all coming out of your own education and prejudices that you have in your mind.
yeah i cant keep reading...
The thing is about all Utopia building strategies is that somewhere, in Outer Mongolia, there is a total geek playing an all elite army dwarf with 50% farms and 50% barracks and a 6 hour turn around who has a chip on his shoulder for anyone running 50% homes. He will break you multiple times before you even have a chance to wake up from sleeping in your bed. The more extreme your personal build is, the more likely it is that the advantage you gain is most likely lost compared to another province running the inverse extreme strategy. Could 50% homes work? Yeah sure it could.
But the reality is most people play better builds that have a higher war durability than an extreme one. I'd love to come across an enemy province during war with 50% homes and a massive peasant population to exploit. If I couldn't kidnap all of them I'd simply fireball them realatively quickly because odds are I have more thieves, a higher thieves den percentage, a higher Building efficiency, a lot more towers, a much higher WPA, and enough libraries to make my science worth having. Meaning, if you ran that strategy against a competent enemy kingdom, they would literally destroy you even if they didnt bother chaining you. If you ARE running 50% homes in a kingdom, either your monarch is way too lenient or you are in such a ghetto that you don't run across competent players during your kingdom's wars.
spammely you ignorant fool , come back when you win 13 wars in a row or when you monarch a successful kingdom , youre talking out of what you think in your mind is real and truth, not about facts that you yourself have tested. Unlike palem or others, your just talking out of hate towards me , your malice and bad faith are clear sign of the close minded buffon you are .
The numbers posted here are the imagination of this ppl , not the laws how the game works, they are predictions of scenarios played in this ppl heads .
The formulas and scripts , codes, etc , call it what you want , is what the game is based on, not on the excel sheets and the windows calculator where this people run their imaginary numbers. Debating imaginary numbers is not my thing, im a man of action . And high homes have been proved to work, we founght against some of the best out of top 100 kds we could fight .
Its very clear that testing a strat in game and finding it successful has way more weight that someone posting their imaginary calculations . Just like your imbecile speculations have 0 weight whatsoever.
See now , gravity, what the hell does gravity has to do with all this!, you keep using analogies that have no place .
I will explain it to you very slowly, you are only relating your arguments to the beliefs you have in the world outside utopia.
Arguing against numbers in someones head, against arguing against gravity, can you see the wrongness in your thought process ? You are trying to bring together oil and water, even worse, gravity ? comparing gravity with utopia, whats wrong with your mind . Go take your pill and have a nap.
Youre sick , ignorant and blind . I have to say it plainly , the way you try to relate your beliefs with a computer game are beyond the outmost ignorant and foolish self deceptive views of the world out there .
It feels really wrong to be so harsh , but maybe a proper slap in the face might wake you up, all in good faith
gojete
I have won 13 wars in a row, I have been a successful monarch of a successful kingdom.
The number of actual elite players in the game is substantially lower these days than it was a few calendar years ago. That said, there still are a bunch of us out here. And having played this game since its earliest ages, I have to tell you a building strat that heavy on homes isn't going to work when you run into real experienced and competent players. It has nothing to do with math or even spreadsheets. While they are the basic gravity of Utopia, knowing what to do, why to do it, and when to do it as a player in a competent kingdom is what makes taking apart a 50% homes province a fairly simple process. It would be harder to dismantle a total noobie rainbow strat province than it would be to take apart the 50% homes province.
A lot of the best players arent even in superkingdoms or alliance kingdoms these days and arent even trying to get to the top of the charts. We are all in our 30's & 40's now with real lives and real concerns. Yet we keep playing Utopia because of the bonds in the game that have been forged over years. Heck last age we had more babies born in our kingdom than wars were fought and we still wound up in the top 50 for both land and networth. Could we do better? Yep we sure could. A lot of the "top" kingdoms are literally just very dedicated players lead by some decent monarchs. They benefit from the fact that many players are no where near as good as the average players from half a decade ago. Bring back that talent pool today and you would be utterly destroyed if you played a 50% homes strat.
Back in the day, there were a few Ages where people attempted to have really high home builds. And they got slaughtered. What people learned in the aftermath of those ages was that just because it looks good in a simulator or on a spread sheet, it doesn't work in real time on Utopia. Can you get away with that strat today? Possibly. But that has more to do with the current average skill level of the players. If you ran into a kingdom made up of veterans who have forgotten more about Utopia than you have even learned, you would more than likely get a first hand experience as to why you DON'T run 50% homes.
Your stance on this theory regarding homes is similar to our kingdom's current war where a noob ghetto running all attackers with limited t/m capacity mistakenly decided to war with us. They are currently learning why running a 0.5 WPA & 0.5 TPA as a kingdom strat is suicidal against a mix of veteran uber geeks that play with a very high coordination and use an entire resource pool to grind them into the dirt. Even though they were certain of victory at the start and were boasting how much they were destroying us. It is to there misfortune that almost all our players have been playing since the earliest ages of Utopia. most of us have been playing since Age 4.
So I wish you good luck in running your 50% homes strategy and hope that you don't blunder into a kingdom like mine where we already know how to tear a province like yours apart because we learned how to around Age 12.
hmm, I keep checking my PM's and still no location from gojete...
Oh, and for the record, I already have your loc. Actually, I've had multiple people give me it lol. I just would like you to man up and and give me your location, just like I manned up and gave you mine.
You really aren't saving yourself any "beatings" by trying to hide your loc from me.
Goj I will have you know that my feelings are deeply hurt by your words. I do expect a formal apology.
Jesus christ. I have had a lot of scotch and all I see are posts that have way too many words in them for a free online game. WTF will you people let this thread die yet?
I want to see the hermit King's location too.
I randomly got into an out of t100 rankings KD and brought them into the top 60 in that very age I returned to play Utopia and started learning from scratch. As a matter of fact, strategies are only extensively applied when you are around t50 or so.
That's how effective using the right strategy can be. We weren't even aiming for the charts, but when you're competent and experienced, you do not even have to 'try' to get charted in t100. You just need to play the way you do and you will eventually land there whether or not you want it. Truth is 80%(or more) of the so called 'charters' are warring KDs. That speaks volumes if you haven't even made it there yet when the bottom 20 of t100 frequently consisted of half-assed semi active KDs.
15 pages about this! 15!!!!!
Good job guys, this is EPIC :)
lol. keep on posting gojete!
redskull i was looking forward to warrying ordray and palems kd and other pl that have approached me with the intention of warrying, it would be the best thing , then other noob kds like spamely and other ppl have also pmed me for war . Id give it a shot to war your kd too , but im not in my old kd anymore , im in a new one, and im not even the monarch , this is why i cant tell you, yes lets war , i have no control over it.
Im pretty sure everything you say might be true , but then again, what im always saying is that high homes works against most ppl in utopia not all people. And kds in the top 50 and that are all veterans or whatever, are very rare.
So thats why im recommending high homes for the player who has had problems with his province for a while, and never finds the income to train army, and it takes him too long to be ready for war, and after war it takes him too long to recover and stuff.
There are hundreds of ppl who have this problems , and building 45% homes will solve them pretty quickly .
I dont think there should be the need for ppl to have played singe age 1 or whatever to have fun, if someone joins the game and has 1 age and tries 45% homes and it works for him and hes happy what is it to you?
Again the only downside of high homes, is if you , like i said before, end up warrying a kd that is very good and stuff, and that has been on for 10 years and whatever what not . Otherwise high homes will work wonders against 85% of the players in utopia.
I know you guys know a million strat and this and that and whatever , but its obvious that most ppl in the server dont know this things and really dont have the time to know them, so thats why i say high homes is a superior strategy , because it works for almost everyone, it delivers and so on.
Im not saying everyone should do it, or everyone should play like this . Im just saying again, if you are tired of your ****ty province, try high homes and see instant results.
You can either join mirc and talk hours endlessly getting tips from pros and trying to fix your province over the course of ages , or you can instantly get a kick ass province , you choose.
Spammely it gives me great satisfaction that your feelings have been hurt . But you have to wonder, why did they get hurt for ? What is it that got hurt ? Who is hurting ?
Who is who? who is hurt ?
djsteddy thats so true about the charts and playing the game. In my second age in utopia, having played my first age for 3 weeks, anyway in the second one i monarched a kd into the top 50 and 6 war wins in a row with almost no experience of the game , i did read the guide and all that but basically it was just by applying strategies and concepts from many other games that i had played before. Comparing to other games in utopia is really simple to beat up on most kds . Not simple as in "easy" but as in , with proper strat knowledge one can do fairly good here .
If this is someone first strategy game then id recommend playing other games as well cause if all the strategy you are going to learn comes from playing this game youll end up pretty dumb in strategy .
there is an edit button, please use it instead of triple posting.
It's not quite a million but this is why this board is here but there are idiots around that recommend strategies that only work in very limited cases and strats you yourself gojete don't use.
Twice bishop has looked at your prov and twice you haven't had a single home care to explain?
Alex i dont know whats wrong with your understanding capabilities , it seems that your brain is rather limited, i think this is so because your mind is closed to new ideas .
How many times have i said and proven that high homes work great in the ghetto which is more than 80% of the kingdoms in utopia? If been able to compete against 80% players is limited to you ., then i dont know whats wrong with your understanding ?
What is wrong with you man? A trategy works against 80% players and is very limited?
BIshop always watches my province when i have no homes. Right when i got ordrays intel i was running 45% homes . And right when the war was over, i switched into 70% guilds to do a super wiz pump . My BE is now down to 131% this sucks.
Someone else commented before that , for him it takes 3 days to recover after the war is over. For most ppl in the ghetto it takes like 5 days when they come out fat. And most players are very frustrated about this things. IF you properly use high homes, you wont have this problems.
I dont see why you call my strategy an idiot strategy alex when it works great against most ppl .
It is quite obvious from playing in the ghetto and having warred 13 war wins in a row and having 13 more conflicts or more that didnt lead to war, that i found a way to beat a lot of people.
It was not just me, most ppl in my kd are really good. Of course in your eyes they are not "good" they are 7 year olds, and dogs and coolers and inferior, but in my eyes and the eyes of t he 13 kds we beat, we are good.
And watching how my strats and the team work of the kd has deafeated so many enemies throughout the ages, this is why im giving my advice, because all im saying has already been tested and it works.
And after all this ages that you have been giving advice in the boards, the ghetto is the same. Your top kd strategies and builds do not work well in the ghetto, high homes is superior strat for the ghetto player that wants the most fun.
You have all failed to make the gameplay of utopia higher in your 10 years playing the game, you are all a failure and a decaying rottening corpse that is nothing that a walking fossil .
You sirs , have failed utopia and its community with your bad advices which have brought nothing than 85% of the kds in utopia being called "bad" and "miserable" and "ghettos" .
And in your view , people are a failure , because they do not play like you do, nor do they want to , because your way of playing is decadent and inferior.
Let the age of the high homes begin , a new reign of warfare and butchering, in which the ghettos will raise with their high homes kingdoms and war each other towards oblivon, and recover faster, and train their province faster than without homes, and the carnage will follow for days.
Let the high homes kingdoms be born and face each other in the battlefield !!
And in the lurky shadows of the "good kds" let this good players remain in their exile , fighting against each other, fighting the same ppl age after age for 10 years more to come, as they have done so far, their exclusive club of " good players " means nothing to us!!
LET THE HIGH HOMES RAISEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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try that again in 10 lines or less or i wont read it
I said that you lack comprehension skills , and i explained why and how all your arguments are fallacious malicious and wrong, and all those things.
I also reminded everyone to test high homes because it is the superior strat for the ghetto. And strongly encourage all ghetto players to consider it . And the ones who try, we should open a thread of high homes tips and tactics, i will post there my views in ways to better use high homes and stuff.
You dont need to post you can send me a message if you have questions, i would appreciate that the thigh homes tips and tricks thread is not spammed by high homes haters .
It will be only a place for high homes ppl to discuss their high homes related topics and a nice environment is needed there
Pls dont spam and flame in the high homes thread, id like to have moderation powers to delete threads in the high homes tips and tricks thread . To delete flamers and haters, to keep a nice envoronment in the new high homes thread
no you ramble on with poor grammar and spelling I have better thing to do that try work out what you are saying.
you are made to believe its bad grammar , thats how they trained you since you was little, this is why you think its bad grammar and it angers you, because you have been indoctrinated into having a view and a belief and to hate all that is not like you have been taught to be .
They have you controlled by using your feelings and emotions against you . Thus when you see my posts , since they clearly trigger your ego defense mechanisms ,that was put in there by someone else, you will have a headache, and feel like throwing up , and eventually it will lead you to not be able to read more than 3 lines.
Its the defense mechanism of the ego which wants to keep you under control, you cant break free because you value your emotions and feelings , views and beliefs too high, and even go as far as identifying yourself with them.
In short , they got you by the balls
what the **** are you on.
See thats another line of defense , "what the fuk are you on ?"
Now you are wondering what am I "on"?. You need motives and reasons to keep your belief system alive. And so, for example, if you have never used drugs , you will deem drog users as inferior human beings and parasites of society.
Do you see how you keep relating my posts to the worst things that you can imagine, to keep yourself from understanding them ? Its something in your head that doesnt want you to open your eyes and tries to remain them closed at all costs.
If you instead would question yourself," why do i wonder what the **** he is on ?" you might get very far, but you might also get caught in mental explanations.
I would suggest you to make the question and stop thinking right there, no images and no thoughts at all, and then from an empty mind you might start seeing whats real from whats fake.
And you will see, how high homes is the superior build strategy for the ghetto player that wants the most fun out of the game , and it works right away, instantly.
the fact is that you seam unable make any statement without going off on a complete tangent. You are unable to comprehend that you are in some way are way of the mark. That your theories have been dis-proven and multiple weighted counter arguments have been made with full calculations have been made.
you never back up any of your statements you make them on the belief that they are right.
This troll has been fed very well. But he is getting a bit boring.
Ok alex listen , ill make it short , basically is that you want me to type tons of numbers here to back up my strategies. And you say that my strategies have been dis-proven , by calculations made by ppl who posted them in the forums.
You want me to play math with you, i refuse.
My arguments are made by 2 ages of tests in many wars and conflicts.
You seem to have the strong belief that first you have to sit and calculate for hours and days , and test and simulate with mathematical formulas before you can play the game.
IF the goal of playing the game, is to play the game, i play the game .
You are the one going far off on a complete tangent . The game is click and click build attack , steal , mage and war, that is the actual game, that is what i play, i dont sit hours simulating provinces , I build them, i switch strats in game, i war in game, and i have succesfully used high homes for 2 ages, in and out war.
You are trying to disprove 2 ages of real life game experience testing, with your formulas ?
How dumber can you be. Are you going to come up with a formula that takes away my 15 war wins undefeated monarch in 3 ages ? , Are you going to make a formula that makes high homes not work ?
So basically , your belief is that, by posting random numbers here in a post, its actually magically going to affect my high homes province ? lol
2 ages of real gaming, not theorizing and spanking my monkey to formulas .
You disprove nothing with your calculations, its all theory, you talk the talk,, i walk the walk, and high homes make you walk all over your enemies in the ghettos outside the top 100 kds which is the vast majority of players in the world .
What is it so hard to understand . I think you understand it well but you are stucked in your beliefs, like i said, they have you by the balls , unable to open your mind and see reality.
You think reality are your predictions and fictional scenarios of the many ways high homes can fail ? I dont sit my butt imagining , i click the war button and test my homes , i attack and doubple tap and tripple tap and quadruple tap, thats how i test my homes.
I test my homes in the game not in my calculator
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goj, would you kindly google sarcasm... Now that nobody takes you seriously you should expect some posts not be serious as well.
this actually remains to be seen and as far as we are all concerned these are ALL stories made up in your head. this is corroborated by the fact that your "factual" evidence often does not add up at all.Quote:
you talk the talk,, i walk the walk
face it Goj your so called "strat" is a joke.
I must go to the beach now and watch some bikinis swim a little and then hit town and have a beer .
Spammely, high homes is a superior strat. You can not see it because you are very ignorant .
I dont know what stories you mean
But evidence is there go to age 49 rankings, top 100 honor kds . 88 Mad sick ppl won 5 wars there.
And age 50, browse top 100 honor kingdoms again in number 63 QuantumRapeTheory 7 out of 7
I took the liberty of posting the number of war wins in the kd name since unfortunately and stupidly the wars dont show in the rankings .
Spammely you are a very close minded individual, unfortunately the majority of ppl in this world are like you, ignorant , full of prejudice, malicious , ill meaning creatures that only know to destroy . Its so sad that the world is full of spammelys . No wonder the tiger is going extinct and theres war everywhere in the world .
On the other hand spammely in his own mind and thinking probably thinks that nothing of this is his fault, when he is the actual cause of all the misery in the world. Spammely you are the cause of all that is wrong in the world
So what you are saying is that i should stop killing tigers?Quote:
Spammely you are the cause of all that is wrong in the world
P.S. At what point can we consider gojetes false advertising of a faulty product spam?
gojete, saving the world; one 10,000 word post at a time.
I was thinking more of pot and bong, but now that you mention it; yes, those do as well. ;)
And lol at saying that I spend hours sim'ing provinces and hours working out the best build in a spreadsheet. The only time that I spend hours on my spreadsheet is if I am developing it a bit more. I don't need to spend hours planning my province in it; it's more like 15 minutes, and I've got a pretty decent build.
or is it...maybe reality is getting just a bit too real now...