The word pagan is a christian concept. Regardless, Vikings have had next to nothing to do with America since Leif Erickson.
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The word pagan is a christian concept. Regardless, Vikings have had next to nothing to do with America since Leif Erickson.
paganism is alot older then christianity and it was paganism that influenced cristianity. my god yall try and say im slow know your history. the roman empire was almost completly pagan. christianity like to convert more then anything.over time most of the roman miliitary was christian. so the empire seeing a possible revolt started to honor christianty by making holidays that coincide with paganism. xmass jesus was born in the sumer, durring some pagan holidayin december christians were allowed to place a candle in the window to celibrate jesuses birthday. what the hell does the easter bunny have to do with christianity. lol it was to honor some pagan fertility god. thats the conection with the rabbits they hump alot and on the christian side the passover. any way over time the rwo religions joined in rome giving birth to the roman catholic church
The negative connotation of pagans that comes from Christians. And usually, that word is attached to any religious value other than people who were technically pagans. Vikings followed the Norse Pantheon. They didn't consider themselves pagans. I study religion. Not religious, just like I study political history but I'm not political. If you take a good look at it, Jesus would have been born during the time of Passover because in December the sheep would not have been out in the fields, hence, no shepherds due to the rainy season.
Yeah? Perhaps you could provide me with this source that you got your info from? Vikings were not notoriously enthusiastic about the concept of rape as sport. Also, Vikings were not fans of torture. They killed you, simple as that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Agronaut
I read, you should too. You can read, shoot and work out and still be a man. ;)
Anyways, you seem very eager in your who's-got-the-biggest-penis-game, measuring your penis with my penis. A soldier is worthless without a brain and you aren't excactly impressing anyone here. Arrogance kills you, as history has shown us so many times, and that's a feature you seem to possess. A good soldier is athletic, smart, humble, has social antennas, stamina, etc. The LAST thing a soldier should be is arrogant.
Btw, Norwegians are the third tallest people in the world after the Netherlands and some African tribe, so me being well over 6 feet is not a very great feature. Also, Special Forces don't deny anyone based on height or weight, at least not in Norway. Also, I was a conscript and conscripts don't go to Afghanistan.
No idea what special ed is.
Anyways, this isn't a contest in who's got the longest penis.
You need to learn to be able to look at your country with a critical eye. I do it with my own country all the time but no one here would be interested in Norway. ^^ The critical eye should always be present so that you learn to reflect and find weaknesses, and improve.
You missed Flutterby's point. A pagan is only a pagan in a Christian's eyes. Paganism is not a religion, it's a term used by Christians.Quote:
Originally Posted by Agronaut
And a lot of what you mention is common knowledge. Yes, Christianity picked up a lot of elements from other religions, it adapted itself.
Also, many Vikings were Christian, some even when the Viking Age started. As time passed, more and more Vikings became Christians and stopped believing in Odin and Thor. Many weekdays actually originate from Viking gods, Wednesday being Odin's day, Thursday is Thor's day, etc.
Anyways, Norway was mostly christened 900-1000(though ofc many didn't leave the old faith), when the Viking Age was still very much alive.
It ended officially in 1066 when William the Conqueror, grand grand son of the Norwegian chieftain Rollo, invaded Britain and took it.
when the viking invaded Waterford City they raped 280 women and murderd 140. if it wasnt something that was normal to them like you said why is there 2x as many rapes as murders. so there is your fact know your own history. no they killed for sport its a warriors call and even a right of passage to them. they raped so much they didnt see it as rape. you keep what you kill, they lost the women belong to them
dont talk about piss contests with me. you were the one that talked about all them opertunities you could have killed someone .you couldnt have killled anyone you probably played flute for the military lol.sorry i dont think marching bands are special forces like you said. i allready knew the answers to the above questions i asked you and have known for some time. for one millitary dosnt use large hand guns. largest thing mostly deployed are 9mm. 9mm breaks down to about 36 cal so its small.we havnt used 45s exept special forces sometimes sence the 80s. also if you were in special forces you would have been in the millitary for alot more then a year. if i had to take a wild guess you would be one of them consripts like the sweeds use. when you are 18 you have to join the army basicly like a home guard .
you try to talk about things you dont have a clue about. then when i show you to be full of $%^! you say its a pissing contest. you are some euro trash insulting a country ive fought and killed for. then you want to cry like a little brat when i insult you back. you are like the little idiot kid that throws rocks at people then when they throw back you cry to your mom.
oh and yah i missed flutterby post, i miss read it completly. im busy im at war here and a00 and running a company so very limited on time, luckly i dont sleep much. so flutterby just ignore my whole pagan thing
Most of the men in my family have fought for this country. Most of them are disappointed that they put their lives on the line
for arrogant, self-indulged, lazy, spoiled, narcissists.
Military don't teach no english
i highly doubt it, if so and all they can see are bad things then i feel sorry for them. as i said though i doubt it sounds like bull to me
oct grown folks are trying to talk here so troll else were. if you dont plan on seeing me in your threads
You don't get to tell people where they can post or threaten to derail their threads.Quote:
Originally Posted by Agronaut
I know how you hate the hillbillies of America, but are so damn proud of your ancestors. Them rednecks of the middle ages. Vikings weren't a warrior race, not as an army so comparing them to Sparta is a joke. Spartans didn't run from fights as much as you did. You attacked civilians and avoided a real fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by stoffi
As for America is such a bad education system, people can't move up and all that jazz. I am not one of those, both of my parents are physicians. I am in my 3rd year in med school in the midst of my sub-i's. I have seen plenty of peers who had parents who worked 2-3 jobs, who were on scholarships and are just brilliant and hardworking. Of course there are several students who come from families like mine, but living in the Midwest in a heavy agricultural area I have seen just as many families rise to the top through hard work and taking advantage of post secondary education as I have read the news about how America's education is failing.
Meh, I blame Carter. People begged us for help and we spent a large amount of precious lives to gain other peoples freedom (aka bailout).
Stoffi, make sure to thank us for YOUR freedom. Norway already failed a couple times, they just got lucky they had people with enough compassion and humanity to save them.
Sie sind nicht willkommen.
You've got to be kidding me right?Quote:
Originally Posted by excal14
Vikings were quite fearsome warriors famous for their fighting skills, for example you could find vikings in the personal bodyguard of the emperor in Byzantine for example.Quote:
Vikings weren't a warrior race, not as an army so comparing them to Sparta is a joke. Spartans didn't run from fights as much as you did. You attacked civilians and avoided a real fight.
Randomly putting in some german in the text makes you retarded almost like you believe that would be norwegian you are typing :)Quote:
Sie sind nicht willkommen.
I love it when ppl glorify war. 9 times out of 10 they are adolescent kids dreamin about it or messud up unhappy adults who watched too many movies. 10th guy is just some solider too messed up in the head.
I grew up in war and reached adulthood in it ... allow me to tell you first hand there is nothing great in it or in its consequences.
And to all those fanboys who spread *freedom* across the world bringing *justice* to 3rd world countries ... yeah ... go **** yourself.
vikings were riaders and plunderers nothing more. thats why they stuck to attacking vilages. they were not rome, sparta,mesopotamia, greece. they wouldnt even be mentioned in the history books if it wasnt for there seafaring prowess. if not for that they would have just been local raiders nothing more. because of there seafaring ability they were able to do it all over the world. as far as explorers, ok if you say so but i think thyey were just looking arround for more people to bushwack lol.
bishop you have your pet trolls running arround messing with people. then when someone says they will do it back to them you threaten that person? i couldnt care less delete my account if you wont. its for that kind of gestapo bull that most players dont bother to post here. you get challeneged in other forums and dont like it then wont to play king of the utopia forum.
yah war sucks but when you are there deal with it . i dont look at it as the fault of the people on the ground its the governments. i would be much happier if governments would work out thier issues. putting boots on the ground should be for defence and as a last resort offence .i would like to see these politicians have to fight for once. if they had seen combat for themselves they wouldnt be so quick to send the millitary. sure sometimes some scum bag needs a good kicking and there is no alternitive but to send troups. besides that these politicians need to do thier jobs war is a last resort not a first
i mean think about it i have seen times were peace could have possibly been agreed on. they chose to send the millitary in though. maybe a few more days of talks or some 3rd party negotiations and they may have got it. no they just said the hell with it and sent in troups. once we get there thats it peace is an after thought, once we are finished we can talk peace again. for what 1000s die because some politicians couldn't figure it out. fine if civilians are being slautered skip the peace prosses but other then that they need to exhaust all other possiblities first
And creating cities, and being Byzantine emperors bodyguard and several other sucessfull things.Quote:
vikings were riaders and plunderers nothing more. thats why they stuck to attacking vilages. they were not rome, sparta,mesopotamia, greece.
Gestapo bull? Wake up and smell the coffee son this is nothing, i for one thing is one of the more vocal people about Bishop and the other mods. But honestly when you start calling this gestapo bull you just prove y ou know nothing about these forums history for one thing and certainly dont know what Gestapo was. Dont blame the moderators cause you cant behave yourself properly, play within the rules and you wont get hurt.Quote:
bishop you have your pet trolls running arround messing with people. then when someone says they will do it back to them you threaten that person? i couldnt care less delete my account if you wont. its for that kind of gestapo bull that most players dont bother to post here. you get challeneged in other forums and dont like it then wont to play king of the utopia forum.
Vikings did have a lot of fighting prowess, but they were notoriously brigands and pirates. I don't believe that is related to Spartans or any of the other great military nations.Quote:
Originally Posted by Korp
Its German for 'you are not welcome.' It might make me retarded, but the ironic thing is, German would be the common tongue for most of Europe assuming the German Empire had lasted say 2-3 decades. Jumping to conclusions and insults makes you a joke.
Flutter: They could thank the Russians directly, but I do believe us opening up two fronts and relieving a beleaguered UK helped the Russians with their side.
Oh yes, America bringing freedom and justice to third world countries. We most likely do go about that a wrong way; I cannot see better alternatives.
All that really needs to be said is to show some respect. We may not be the most honorable, moral, or compassionate nation. Feel free to show me one that exists. I do know that without America, you (as a whole) would not be as well off as you are today. You can curse at us, burn our flag, and spit at the soldiers, but you cannot deny that one fact.
what are you talking about , i read this forum for almost 6 months before i really posted anything outside of a quick question. only reason i even came here was due to war news . my thoughts on him were established months ago not right now.
This game has existed since 98, that you been reading these forums for 6 months is a drop in the ocean really :)Quote:
what are you talking about , i read this forum for almost 6 months before i really posted anything outside of a quick question. only reason i even came here was due to war news . my thoughts on him were established months ago not right now.
You arrogant americans are so cute :) Dont forget thou, if it wasnt for us Europeans you would never had existed to begin with.Quote:
All that really needs to be said is to show some respect. We may not be the most honorable, moral, or compassionate nation. Feel free to show me one that exists. I do know that without America, you (as a whole) would not be as well off as you are today. You can curse at us, burn our flag, and spit at the soldiers, but you cannot deny that one fact.
I never denied it, but funny you read the word respect and think arrogant as I point out our own flaws.Quote:
Originally Posted by Korp
You just claimed it all thanks to America that the rest of the world is so well off and without America the rest of the world wouldnt be so well off and you dont think thats arrogant? :)Quote:
I never denied it, but funny you read the word respect and think arrogant as I point out our own flaws.
Sorry, my ancestors didn't come from Europe.
Every country and every culture has idiots, we are just better at showing ours off.
And everyone else is better at pointing the finger at us :PQuote:
Originally Posted by DHaran
Oh and I guess your ancestors are the sole creators of USA as well?Quote:
Originally Posted by flutterby
hate him if you want but hes right. if we didnt jump into that fight and send our millitary that you hate, you would be speaking russian or german right now. you wouldnt have a luxury to be pissing in a forum saying what ever you want. honestly i think its just envy with you people , dont know why. i think when people like you see something strong you have to try and break it down to your level. fact is if you spent that time doing something productive then you would be better off.sure America has its problems, we have alot of them but we are good at solving them. Americans are probably the hardest working people. we work at it thats why we are so strong. a nation that was born less then 250 years ago became The super power in a short time. we have maintained being the superpower for a long time. why , because we work our @#$@ off thats why. we strive to better our selves while you sit arround and complain
korp if it takes you 14 years to build an opinion of someone then you are slow lol
The irony in all this is that US didnt give a **** until Pearl Harbor when they were forced to attack otherwise they would just kept not giving a ****. The only thing US had going for them is that they were so cut off from Europe and the warzones that they didnt get affected by them and thats why they had a chance to build stronger country.Quote:
hate him if you want but hes right. if we didnt jump into that fight and send our millitary that you hate, you would be speaking russian or german right now.
As mentioned above, it was just luck. :)Quote:
Americans are probably the hardest working people. we work at it thats why we are so strong. a nation that was born less then 250 years ago became The super power in a short time. we have maintained being the superpower for a long time. why , because we work our @#$@ off thats why. we strive to better our selves while you sit arround and complain
I'm claiming the asian today :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Korp
yah we didnt want to get involved you brought it on yourselves. eropean commanders had such arrogance towards american fighter in ww1 that they wanted us commanded by thier commanders. so we attacked a german fortress and took it something the eropean command couldnt do. they then finaly figured we were good enough to lead our selves. we sent alot of men to thier deaths for you in trench warfare whitch must be the closest thing to hell. in the end you gave us a weak roll in the league of nations, so we opted out.
hitler comes to power and you sit on your hands while hes attacking people. when it reached england we stepped in even though most of the country didnt want to war because you brought it on yourselves. we still suplied england with countless weapons even sent our own pilots there to get drunk and oops i left my fighter or bomber there.is soon as england asked we had american pilots fighting under english colors. not to mention we were aiding them with our navy the whole time. wasnt til the japanese bombe us that the whole country wanted war. oh yah they bombed us because we cut them off from oil to help china.
we never had a chance to help the french much they fell in 46 days. have any idea how long it would take to deploy a force large enough to hold back the germans back then. we sent over 400,000 kids to thier deaths for you ingrates
Please stop making the rest of us look bad....
WWII isn't the slightest bit relevant now. Why is it even being discussed? The US had hugely closer ties to euroland, ties which are not as strong now. WWII was also widely considered to be a fight against a clear aggressor - unlike some current conflicts. Selective memory is just dumb.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_...a_and_Nagasaki
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debate_...a_and_Nagasaki
not a lot to be proud of there.
Godwins law Bishop Godwins law :)
Waterford wasn't a city when the Vikings came.... The Vikings arrived, made a longport for their ships and gradually built out their base to be a city. Vikings MADE Waterford. But I am open-minded, do you have some sources perhaps? Because my professors and other authors don't know about those sources. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Agronaut
You aren't exactly making your fellow Americans proud here, with all your ramblings, your penis-contest and your foul language and poor debating techniques.
And you don't know sh*t about Special Forces anywhere, judging by your comments. SF definitively use bigger hand guns, for the right situations. I sense you're scared that my penis is larger than your penis and perhaps it is. As I said, a good soldier can use his brain as well as his body, not to mention he isn't arrogant. You fail hard there.
I've been building scaffolds on an oil rig for 12 hours today, does that threaten your manhood compared to mine? Last weekend I wrestled a big guy down(we were 2 v 1 ^^) and put handcuffs on his arse and handed him to the police when I was at work as chief of security at a bar/club. Does that threaten your manhood compared to mine?
I was a Kung Fu instructor when I was a bit younger. Does that threaten your manhood compared to mine?
(To others reading the above, please disregard the above paragraphs as I don't post crap like that on forums nor do I act like an idiot and brag in rl.)
And you brag about being a prison guard? That's the lowest of the low, man... Requirements: 2 hands and 2 legs + a head with or without a brain.
This is no bloody contest. I don't care how much you could have killed someone if you wanted. I don't care how cool, big and strong you think you are. This is no bloody testosteron contest and if it was, you would quickly find out, as you have now, that other people have also got testosteron. And maybe, just maybe, when you're older, you will think back to this thread and realise how rediculously stupid you acted.
Every country in the world has flaws and we should all be able to discuss those flaws in order to improve. (Yes, the US has flaws as well)
Btw, War is easy for us to long for, but the one who praises war doesn't know war.
I'm coming anyways, the US is a great country in many ways.Quote:
Originally Posted by excal14
Also, I have said my appreciation of the USA assuring MY freedom many times.
You sound Upper Middleclass and go to university because you come from a decent family who raised you well and pay for your education. But what about those with 2-3 jobs? They depend on scholarships, as you mention, and the vast majority won't get a scholarship, nor a chance.
Vikings were definitively a warrior culture. Their goal in life was to die in combat with sword in hand in order to go to Valhalla. Anyone dying in their bed of old age would NOT go to Valhalla. Children were trained from young age, the warrior was worshipped. But they were also peasants and merchants and yes, Vikings never liked defeat and thus rarely fought battles they would probably lose or lose to many men in.
Sparta is another warrior culture, the ultimate one.
Why don't you do some research next time you make claims? You're talking to someone who's studied this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Agronaut
Vikings plundered Paris three times.... Vikings plundered/took London, York, Bilbao, Pisa, Nantes, Rennes, Bordeaux and EVERY french city worth mentioning. Vikings FOUNDED Russia, held Britanny and Normandy(look the names up on a map to see where, big regions), held most of England, FOUNDED Dublin, Waterford, Limerick, attacked Budapest(Constantinopel) but that city proved too strong and they rather joined the Byzantine empire.
Vikings plundered all of France, England, Ireland, Scotland, Russia, parts of Germany, Italy, Spain, Portugal, Marocco, Turkey, turkemenistan, Kazakstan, etc, etc, etc ,etc. Vikings made realms/kingdoms in parts of France, Ireland, Scotland, England, Russia, Iceland and Ukraine.
The Vikings who reached America were Norwegians who had moved to Greenland. On Greenland only a few thousand vikings settled and therefore only few ships went to America and they gave up after fighting the natives.
Raiders and plunderers and not more? Not true. Read some history before you make claims.
Btw, Mesopotamia was never an empire nor a country. It's just a region were cities like Ur and Babylon were located.
America also brought tyranny and opression to third world countries. Know your history, the US threw down many democratically elected governments to put dictators on their thrones. Since 1970, self-interests have decided who to invade or who to support, not anyone's freedom.Quote:
Originally Posted by excal14
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Originally Posted by Korp
Hahaha, so damn right. :) If the debate is long enough, it will happen!
Agronaut, here's a challenge for you:
- Is there NOTHING wrong with your country? Is everything perfect? Are you the blind follower?
It ended the war for Japan. Nothing about it was something to be proud of, but to claim it didn't end the war is naive. All the stuff about air supremacy and the bombs being militaristically unnecessary may be true (in the long run, but why make it longer), but that's like comparing death by a thousand cuts to a shotgun to the face.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bishop
Or murdering babies to not murdering babies.Quote:
Originally Posted by DHaran
In war, everyone murders babies. There were babies at Pearl Harbor too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bishop
Yea 2 of them,Quote:
Originally Posted by DHaran
How many did you think died in Hiroshima or Nagaski or how many babies were born deformed due to radiations, or how many died from radiation posioning? And how many of them were civilians, in Pearl Harbor there was 68 civilians that died..
Is there a threshold where infant death is acceptable in war? How many would have died in the ensuing invasion or continued bombing of Japan? How many more US troops would have died? How many more Japanese troops would have died? Would there have been another attack on US soil? Perhaps a civilian target? I'm not saying one way or another what the "right" thing to do was, but when facing an enemy who refuses to surrender, why take a course of action that extends the war and puts your own people at further risk?