ah, 2v1 war, been a while since i had one of those.
hardly surprised though
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ah, 2v1 war, been a while since i had one of those.
hardly surprised though
Self justification, based on opinion, excluding facts, is grounds to do whatever one wishes. Having a bit of notoriety, allows one to bend that into looking like the right and just thing to do.And allows you to skew popular opinion to your side, at least until the smoke clears.
You killed people, for the smallest of reasons ED. Without a firm grasp of the facts. And even if there frowned upon, It's far and away above you to "fix" the problem. Having done so, and having made enemies(Surprise surprise), the consequences are yours. Unless you color the truth to fit your misdirections. You seem good at that. In which case you may gain allies that will defend you. But lies, always peter out eventually. And having Close allies, flip there allegiance at the wrong time, can be a bad thing. So be careful over in Dreamland. And remember,
Everyone hates the Politicians.
so we are confused, calling in allies to kill people in a war isn't frowned upon these days?
or are unsullied trying to say that one KD, razing into a war, for the benefit of the other KD in the war is MORE ETHICAL, than an entirely 1 v 1 confrontation, where both party are capable of attacking each other?
because that seems to be what you are saying?
Lol strippers. It is Sherlock Homles who lost to you 2 ages ago. We are considered ghetto then. Not band of brothers. Anyway, all of us are considered ghetto still in the eyes of Absalom and other top kingdoms, right?
Anyway, keep up the good work strippers. Go slay the evil dragon. Saw the networth gap closing.
Just an update on the current situation. We are receiving oow razes from Unsullied (friends of Strippers).
They waved into our war and killed one of our chained provinces. And they are currently taking intel on our other smallies.
So at the moment it is a 2vs1 war. Having 25 extra provinces to finish off chains is a huge advantage, but we are doing alright still I think:)
Can't say Im surprised. Strippers were losing quite badly at the time they called in friends....and they are still losing despite their friends help^_^
Yeah, cause x:xx OOW razekilled a province. I also like to add, Bishop is a REALLY good forum mod. I could never supervise **** and keep a straight face.Quote:
Originally Posted by Feint
** The kingdom of Strippers ** Total land exchanged: -2,732 (98/184)
forum rules apply in the forum :/
Can someone sum these 14 pages up
why don't dev do something like if prov is inactive for >3 days then subject for deletion? or let voting to cast out those who does not behave properly? for what i understand, the game tried to let the kd's decide if they are taking honor goal or the war win goal or high land goal in separate ways..Quote:
Originally Posted by Korp
as far as i remember unsullied was pked first, if ED took grudge from stripper, maybe other kd have grudge on ED too, and its nothing to do with alliance. suprise suprise.. you never know when willl other kd's take their chances..Quote:
Originally Posted by Forensick
Deflection is a common tool of politicians.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gerald Tarrant
Stop deflecting. If we're "bend[ing] things into looking like the right", it wouldn't be a simple list of facts that demonstrates we're in the right.
Unsullied LD's; we kill a prov. Killing provs in LD kds is not new, it is generally accepted because LD is unethical.
Strippers LD's and we have a grudge vs them; we kill a prov. See above.
Unsullied hits into our war with Strippers. Again, generally accepted as unethical.
There is no way we are twisting these facts, misdirecting them, or lying about them. If we're lying, go ahead and point to where. Vague accusations just put you in the shoes you're trying to accuse us of filling.
Anri: Simple -- ED > other kds; they mad, hit into our war with strippers.
Kerb: A grudge isn't a reason to hit into someone else's active war.
ED did sent my kingdom a threat Message before but not malicious enough for us to join in the fun
ED: you can dial and call for the utopia police for help
Because not all unwanted provs are inactive and it shouldnt be an easy task as "voting" to remove a province. Honorloss when razing was to discourage landdropping cause those people that landdrop most often is the people that care about their honor mostly.Quote:
why don't dev do something like if prov is inactive for >3 days then subject for deletion? or let voting to cast out those who does not behave properly? for what i understand, the game tried to let the kd's decide if they are taking honor goal or the war win goal or high land goal in separate ways..
Some people frown upon landdropping, they might not like it, but unethical? Nah.Quote:
Unsullied LD's; we kill a prov. Killing provs in LD kds is not new, it is generally accepted because LD is unethical.
You mean the community? Because the community has come to us, asking for us to let them raze strippers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Feint
The only folks asking for help here are Strippers.
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Korp, you said it yourself yesterday:
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So, staying smaller to avoid better competition and beat on kingdoms that are worse than your own isnt unethical?
Who are these ghettos lining up to get farmed?
Thats my opinion yes :) But I am afraid im not the whole general populationQuote:
Originally Posted by Zauper
the kids these days. get off my lawn! ah, anyone remember hostile blocks? what fun.
Oh and something completely got lost in the mix: we *gained honor* from the razekill! Unsullied, UR DOIN IT RONG.
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Someone give me a recap of whatever this is about, I didn't know there was anything worth reading in here and now I'm behind.
page 1 ->10
ED asking strippers to tag and war (bravado and what not)
page 10
ED finds strippers, who are in EOWCF (after a min time gain)
ED steals from CF (as strippers did to ED last age after agreeing on war.... and it seems to lots of other)
Strippers come online, labeling ED as bullies and asking for the server to help... or something, because ED wouldnt give them 96 hours to land drop out of range (sorry "pump"), Strippers only war ghettos that are evenly below them.
page 10 -14
The community at large tells strippers to man up and fight.
ED gets bored listening to them complain, so raze kill a prov to pass time.
strippers announce that it is unfair, so wont retal.
Prov dies, strippers finally retal, and then declare war on ED (claiming they are now even more disadvantaged... which negates means in declaring then, they negate their reason for not declaring earlier)
Page 14
Unsullied has 11 of their provinces (29 total razes), on the same hour, raze kill a province in ED, that strippers had chained to 420a
Strippers stop posting (so that way they don't have to deny it was requested)
Unsullied monarch says he had no idea his KD did that, but doesnt care
ED keep warring, and are significantly winning (despite external hit from unsullied, who are still taking intel on chained targets, and a few minor ops too)
Unsullied nubs show up claiming ED killed one of their provs previously ina 1v1 conflict. and that is so evil, that they are doing something less evil, and razing into war when ED has no capacity to retal
page 14/15
ED mentions that numerous KDs have contacted them, offering help raze killing strippers (and unsullied)
ED declines such offers because even 2 v 1 after 36 hours strippers are down 3000+ acres, have more disabled provs, and a n/w trending down faster
summarised enough?
so aparently, being generous 33provs vs 24 is still "not even" for strippers
and zauper thanks unsullied for the honour boost
Someone told you there was something worth reading here? If so, I want a name and telephone number to this person. Well actually, some of my posts were pretty funny, you can read those.Quote:
Originally Posted by DHaran
ED makes thread to boast. They will take on any opponent and play "old school". They brag about a razekill on a prov who was "land dropping"
They have deemed themselves in charge of policing the server. If you land drop, expect to be razekilled.
ED wants to fight strippers to rematch their lost war last age.
Strippers ask for some days to make it an even fight. ED cannot win under those circumstances.
Strippers refuse to war, suffer massacres/learns/razes for 4 days. Elf marquis razekilled. No ops or attacks made by our side as a sign of "move on, we fight when we even strength"
ED plays by their own morales, they rather wreck a kds age than fight a fair war
Strippers decide to war, being heavily disadvantaged.
ED claims they are just as weakened by razes as we are by losing a high honour elf.
Kd who was razekilled earlier decides to seek revenge, they razekill Zauper during war with Strippers.
ED thinks they have been wronged, they dont understand an eye for an eye.
War is a lot of fun for both sides. War forums are boring
ED hits strippers.Quote:
Originally Posted by SillyRabbit
ED finds 4 days to be unreasonable in addition to their 4 days to pump in EOWCF and wave Strippers anyway. It's a grudge, afterall, and we didn't get anything last age after strippers stole 15m from us during our EOWCF after we agreed to war.Quote:
Strippers ask for 4 days.
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Strippers refuse to war, suffer massacres/learns/razes for 4 days. Elf marquis razekilled. We don't move on because we don't have to and have a grudge.
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ED plays by their own morales, they are ok with wrecking a kds age
Strippers decide to war, getting a free wave off vs a kd with no incoming land.
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Kd who was razekilled earlier decides to lamely hit into a war, they razekill Zauper during war with Strippers. It is unclear if this is coordinated with Strippers, though it certainly could have been and based on their strategy, I would say is likely.
Fixed that for you by removing your bias.Quote:
War is a lot of fun for both sides. War forums are because strippers refuse to post
Also, 35 hours in, Strippers are down 20 uniques and 2k acres, in spite of all the razekills.
It's also funny that you spend so much time whining about how weak you guys were when last age we warred you as 20 provs vs 25 and had no sci/wpa/etc/etc.
Razing into war is unacceptable. Period. Trying to justify it is pointless. If ED accepts the help i have no doubt the community will help.
First off, stop calling them strippers, they are not strippers, Strippers disbanded after last age when myself and several other council members left.
Secondly, ED started raze killing a smaller KD based on their anger at having GC stolen last age. There was no mention under the terms of that war that stealing from each other was banned, as is often the case. As per usual when such an agreement is missing, we stole gold. The fact they obviously forgot to include a term in the war contract wasn't our fault, since they wrote the terms, and the fact they failed to train thieves immediately upon EOW is their fault. There is a reason it is usually done straight away.
So if you want to fight STRIPPERS, fine, we'll be coming for you, we're spread further than you think. But there mere fact your still bitter over last age's loss destroys any respect I had for you. Last age we got beaten by SPGC, but we learnt from it, and became stronger. If you truly wanted to be a warring KD you'd look for fair wars. Instead your choosing to become a Taliban, trying to instill your idealised values that you can't match on to others solely to cover up for your own insecurities.
ED are schooling a kingdom that ignores war status, land drops and asks friends to raze their war opponents. Many kds are offering assistance to ED.Quote:
Originally Posted by DHaran
Im confused, you left Strippers with your council buddies, but if people want to fight Strippers you will be coming for them? An alliance of Strippers?Quote:
Originally Posted by ArcDurath
What baffles me is why Strippers didn't declare to save the prov. It's not like we'd have people come from outside to raze in a war or anything. It's as if they have as little regard for kdmates as they do everyone else. Former elf marquis, we're sorry that your kingdom decided to leave you for dead only to declare almost immediately after. We're not currently recruiting, but if you send Parth nudies and he likes them, he might make an exception!
Sorry zauper, that didn't take the bias out of it. And you added your own.
That said, seems like a one-sided war. Poor ex-strippers.
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Originally Posted by ArcDurath
ohhh, a Strippers crew reunion to fight the ED crews. Sounds like farmage. Take your time, don't hurt yourself.
PS: There was no war contract when we came looking for war, it's not our fault "Strippers" had 80mil gc lying around and expected that it wouldnt get stolen when they steal from other ppl's eowcf because "it wasn't written in a contract"
What I am saying Georgnub is that they are trying to fight something that no longer exists- the people from strippers are scattered across the server. If you want to take out your anger at something from last age, then you ought to do a better job of tracking us down. If you keep declaring that you want to fight us then we will fight you, but the entity your trying to fight has only a passing resemblance to what you want to fight.
Secondly, stop declaring that debauchery Land drop, ever since the honour penalty has been enforced it hasn't been done. What you are trying to portray as a 25% drop was one hit from an external KD. Hardly a land drop.
WAR CONTRACT? This isn't Candyland for lawyers. Get out of my house, newbie. You are not fit to play. I hear FarmVille is fun, though. You are witnessing some old testament style vengeance done up right. As far as fair wars goes, we're 4 wars in and at 106% average opponent networth, strippers 2.0 is the first kd we've fought without 25 provs this age, and we're okay with that this time around. And if you want to claim to be strippers instead, you owe us a loc. Anything else is just poor posturing. Perhaps you'll let us know where you are by razekilling a prov out of war? That seems to be what the kids these days do. Oh, of course we'll draw up a war contract for that if you like.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArcDurath
Sounds like the typical "warring" kingdom BS. They only want to fight when they are at their absolute strongest, or against a total ghetto. And unless ED razed into someone else's war, it certainly is not "eye for an eye", so that was just a stupid comment.
Please see my previous postsQuote:
Originally Posted by JONCY
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Originally Posted by SillyRabbit
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Originally Posted by SillyRabbit
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Originally Posted by ArcDurath
April 10 of YR4 Unemployed Hobo (x:xx) invaded Donatello (x:xx) and razed 69 acres of land.
April 10 of YR4 Unemployed Hobo (x:xx) invaded Donatello (x:xx) and razed 57 acres of land.
April 10 of YR4 Donatello (x:xx) razed 112 acres of Unemployed Hobo (x:xx).
May 1 of YR4 An unknown province from The Unsullied (x:xx) razed 120 acres of Scrub Guy (x:xx).
May 1 of YR4 An unknown province from The Unsullied (x:xx) razed 99 acres of Scrub Guy (x:xx).
There's more from where that came from.
Is lying your specialty? I took daily CE's of "Strippers".
Also one of that kd also RK'ed Ed's province. Very fair kd you have there
I'm not giving you a location for strippers, because, as i stated above, we DISBANDED. That usually means we no longer exist. THERE IS NO LOCATION. If our monarch starts a new KD that's his prerogative.
And a KD that agrees to a war and expects the opponent to do absolutely nothing to weaken them is expecting a very weak opponent. And the only KD we fled from was The ancients, at a time they had 20% more NW. We fight anyone we can, and it often leads to defeats, such as two last age. But we never hold a grudge, simply respect. Seems like ED think that they are godly, and that we had to cheat to beat them, so they hate us. The reality is they sucked last age, and, looking from afar, seem to be much stronger this age. Still doesn't remove the fact they have a maturity level of a 4 year old, and can't move on.
Debauchery have declared against a far stronger KD, so ED are likely to get their revenge, which is fine.
However if people start razing debauchery then this game has become a complete joke.
You mean Debauchery the kingdom who steal into everyone's EOWCF periods? If there is one kingdom I know needs to be razed, it's Debauchery.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArcDurath
I think he's having an identity crisis, because he claims Strippers don't exist, and yet they answer to being called the name Strippers.Quote:
Originally Posted by DHaran
If they're stealing your kdname, you probably should razekill them ArcDurath.
And bitter? We're not bitter - we called them out, and then we smashed them. What is there for us to be bitter over? We're the better kd, we were last age - though we were handicapped by having had played ~4-5 weeks only and only having 20 provs, and we are this age. We've just proved it.
If you're trying to say that we should be coming after you instead, fine. PM your loc.
And reborn, where do I try to present biased opinion as fact in my post?