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Originally Posted by MrCurious
Judging by the two SoTs I just saw, one a few h old and one just a few minutes old one of PewPews cows lost like 150k troops to 15-16 bounces by BB. And cows got around 25% hosps too according to surveys.
Guess Sheister was right when he said bouncing is way to overpowered when it doesnt add to the meter like a normal hit does.
I think every bounce need to add 1 point to meter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shai
p.s.
BB have orc with 25% extra kills so this make sense for them to use it. Still kinda lame tactic used many times from different kds.
p.s.2
For example 2 ages ago Ryan used it from his ghetto ED and its how he won prov. This age he get same. So its good if he can see it from both sides.
Bounce is way OP seeing the damage done
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Originally Posted by Elit
Yeah its good strategy from BB to use an emerald dragon and orc losses. add pitfalls and it can be even worse.
But it is waaay to overpowered and open to abuse. As u said, each bounce need to add one point to the meter.
If pew cows are being owned so hard in hostile, how feasible is it this will even go to war?
I mean, it might be less painful if pew just gave acres for a CF, if that is even still a possibility. They stand to loose cows big time by the looks of it.
Pretty much why we chose orc warriors, it's 40% extra off the bat plus emerald plus BG plus PF.
It can definitely be countered, as evidenced by our faeries who retrained most of their def after getting bounced. Plus, bounces don't give acres, so enemy kd can always come out and get a free wave. Worst case bounce back if you don't have another idea of what to do.
However, when you go into a conflict with no money no troops and -13M tb, you're dead man walking. They didn't do any substantial counter and have no money, so we did it again. 2 banks down 30-40% def and no real money to retrain. Waiting on their response
We haven't killed 150k troops with 15-16 bounces. We killed a lot, but far from "150k with 16 bounces". (they had ~220k and ~240k total troops -dspec+elites- on their cows)Quote:
Originally Posted by Shai
Mayor has 18% hospitals, Chancellor 20%
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Originally Posted by protector
Yeah ur right, the SoT I was shown first was totally wrong. Got a tact sot on my own now and it shows 149k troops on Mayor compared to 238k yeasterday. So more like 89k killed in 16 bounces.
Apologise for the incorrect info. Still overpowered thou :)
Lol, looks like PewPew pulled a stunt again!
In an effort to educate BB on how to properly attack, we are putting on a clinic.
You see the key is to send MORE offense than they have defense, as evidenced here:
June 17 of YR6 In local kingdom strife Mayor Mare (x:x) invaded Chancellor Puddinghead (x:x) and razed 2,369 acres of land.
June 17 of YR6 In local kingdom strife Chancellor Puddinghead (x:x) invaded Mayor Mare (x:x) and razed 2,392 acres of land.
June 17 of YR6 In local kingdom strife Chancellor Puddinghead (x:x) invaded Mayor Mare (x:x) and razed 1,913 acres of land.
June 17 of YR6 In local kingdom strife Sapphire Shores (x:X) invaded Chancellor Puddinghead (x:x) and razed 1,895 acres of land.
You mad because they dont give button, or mad because they are winning the hostile? I dont get this move.
In a attempt to learn Tox the most famous rule in the forums, NO LOCS. Besides, lol. "We failed cowing so we raze them to spite BB" :) Its Simians and Pewpew i guess :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Tox
We're entertainers !Quote:
Originally Posted by Spice
/dance
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Originally Posted by Tox
Hi Tox,
Thank you for educating the wider Utopia community on how to calculate attacks. Can you please post in the thread pasted below with your methods:
http://forums.utopia-game.com/showth...tor-on-attacks
Thanks,
I was not going to post about this at all but since pew pew is posting about it:
Yes this kind of thing is overpowered. Its a recreated problem made by the dev's after "solving" it by reducing the undead losses problem and giving a "random chance" for points on the meter. Once upon a time when undead had 0 offensive casualties or 10% offensive casualties this was the ridiculous strategy du jour. Proponents said "well, it does not benefit them to waste time doing that yadda yadda" which is retarded. In this world of no one back doors you when there are hostiles to be respected and such, there is no cost to doing this at all. If this was done back in old school alliance days, allies would come in and ruin BB for this. Now however, we all have to respect each other so the flip side of preventing that scumbaggery is this stuff.
The saddest part to me, looking at BB and pew is that BB had a 3 to 2 cow advantage. There was no reason not to just give a straight up fight which would have been fun, interesting and in the intended spirit of the game. So what we see here is exactly what Elit said, BB are scumbags and deserve no respect from anyone in any diplomatic treatment because after its all said and done, they will do lame crud like this. Thank god I don't do diplomacy. If however, I am ever in a situation to do diplomacy with BB, they will get 0 trust from me.
So instead of having a massive difference in losses created by the undead discount. Now we have a massive difference in losses created by the Orc bonus. I do not understand why the dev's refuse to do math. To be fair though, it seems to me that a lot of this is created by the artifice of this ethic that it is bad for other kingdoms to ruin BB for doing something like this. Part of it is created by the situation with cows.... oh look, cows are driving this.... good thing cows have no affect.
But I am just a nub. Thank goodness none of these decisions are up to me. I will just sit back and watch this from the sidelines and wonder why people are confused that the game is dying with such fun play as this.
To other kingdoms out there, ask yourselves "just because we can do something and it is advantageous, should we? Is that how we would want to be treated?"
In the future, I guess pew pew knows that rather than trying to do the right thing by BB, they should do the expedient thing.
Cap me in Sheister, what did BB do that was so horrible? Cause you really sound like a butthurt sore loser atm. Also what do you think about Pewpewing noticing Pyro, was that in fair and in the spirit of the game?
What did BB do wrong though Sheister?
Orc comes with extra kills, its a free choice for everyone. They are using a strategy that enables them to weaken enemy cows and later in war collect the acres. This option was available to Pew aswell, and they also tried bouncing, but with far lower success. So why is BB the scumbags for actually doing it right?
Make bounces add 1 pt on meter, then you wont see this kind of thing anymore, regardless of racial perks etc.
http://oi60.tinypic.com/2e0u0qp.jpg
what did I just read?
Pew PEW!
also Sheister doesnt speak for Pew
Sheister is maybe just venting/dumping/or legitimately unhappy. I prefer to leave a guy a liitle space.
But indeed, the cows were the point. In my mind Pew2 has the opportunity to record the BB conduct in war and dissect the thing. I'm not condemning odd strategies, I think I'll celebrate them. But now is a good time to push back and see how BB reacts.
Let's see what happens! ;-)
Can i talk for Pew Pew pls :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Binar
p.s
lets hope pro pro wont notice all this razes or we can back to comment age 57 :P
I thought u did that allready?Quote:
Originally Posted by Elit
I will take it for permission :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Binar
btw. BB used extreme "strategy" and Pew Pew did same. Don't know why ppl blame Pew Pew. Sure they loss cow battle but they never had high chances for win cow war, still they have good chances for win core war.
Let's be honest, we've all been bounced down before... I was pretty mad too when it happened to me!
Time for sleep, have good night all! :)
First. Who on earth would think I speak for pew?
Second, I am not saying that bounces are illegitimate. I am not saying they are illegal. I am not saying they are not advantageous. I am saying they are overpowered and scummy. They are not the way I would treat someone else when I had obviouse advantage. Seeing how BB acts when it has every advantage I can think of, I now will give them no consideration, leeway or benefit of the doubt in the future. I think this is scumbagery on their part. It does not create an enjoyable game and it does not lead to mutual respect between kingdoms.
What this does is trade what could be a fun experience for a cheap and crass attempt to crown (just my opinion). While I am certain most posters in this forum completely disagree with me, i felt a bizarre need to post my thoughts on this tactic and those who use it. Had BB not done this, they still would have won and gained acres. They may have lost one cow while growing the other two but would have kept good relations with another kingdom. The way they went, they have made bad blood, made pew intra their own cows so that they won't be able to make as large cows as they otherwise would have and have made at least ME (not that I think they care) forever confident that they are scumbags.
So, in the end, I don't think they achieve anything of value and the game gets a little worse..... and the devs will continue to do nothing to make the game more sustainable. It's all just really sad.
How trying to win acting scummy? Could you just say what you're really thinking and call them "tryhards"?
Sheister, i can understand how you feel because its was done to me 2 ages ago. When i got bounce waved from ED after we had 9 days war, all (maybe you too) happy posted over forum how im deserve it. Its why im really sorry Ryan set sister and leave Tox to deal with all. Ryan personally needed to enjoy all bounces and pay for what he did 2 ages ago.
He did some other ****s too, but im not going to post about them.
Palem,
It is your inability to see the difference (and those like you) that are a good part of the reason that the top is dying. New leaders will not develop if it is no fun. BB could have won several ways. They chose the least fun but mathematically sound method. Bravo, I am sure that this will make everything enjoyable in the future.
So sure, I am a nub...whatever else people want to say. But note that Elits first post on this was to call it lame. Most say it's overpowered, unfun,etc etc ect.
Because Elit is the posterboy for good play?
I have never posted that this is deserved. I have never been into the revenge thing. I look to have fun in this game. There are so many ages of fun that have been had. People just won't let go of old vendettas and play each other so ****ty.... It is sad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elit
Exactly Palme, thank you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Palem
1. Pew Pew ignored BB's offer for a free extension and to set a date for war
2. They chose to fake notice pyro unnecessarily to stall us from giving notice (thus forcing pyro to train up) and basically force our hand to wait on them.
and
3. They didn't do any preparation over the week they knew we were coming and were sitting on <10M gc as late as 3 days before what should have been our notice.
They chose to be annoying throughout the past week, but their actions are their own so we march ahead... we haven't even made a successful hit yet and they lost 8000 acres, so are we supposed to be sad about it? :P
Palem, i had discussion with Bishop age 50. All this bounce play is kinda break game rules for me. Do you remember part for "spirit game". Game is not designed for people to bounce on propose. Its just option if you mess your attack but intentional bounce wave from many provinces on 1 is clear against spirit on game for fair play. I don't like it and i never supported it. I never done it and hope i wont need to do in future.
People based his opinion based to side they are but im not change it when its about general problems.
Sheister, i didn't say BB is scumbags or any other like it. I just don't like this tactic, its don't make it less legit or valid. Its my personal opinion.
no one complained about bounces being unfair when dorje organized a server wide bouncewave on me on genesis. and i got bounced by over 50 different kds! bouncing is part of the game. every kd has bounce waved someone at some point. if bouncing someone to soften them up is against the spirit of the game, maybe you should take out all spells and ops in hostile. no one thinks twice about opping someone that waves them for 2 days to soften them before declare. it's the same thing.
If you are person did bad ****s its easy for say: lets forget grudges. If you got **** played how was done to AMA its not easy for forget grudges. Still for example i gave this age RBL 7 days for prepare war us when was easy for jump them how they did to us last age.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sheister
So you are a loser or a liar. You are saying every conflict in the game you never had any advantages of all when you warred, everything you done has been fair and good for the game? Ill assume you never been in any alliances, never gangbanged anyone, never traded or played in a trade. Is all this correct or should you just shut your cakehole and realize you are as scummy as everyone else.Quote:
I am saying they are overpowered and scummy. They are not the way I would treat someone else when I had obviouse advantage. Seeing how BB acts when it has every advantage I can think of, I now will give them no consideration, leeway or benefit of the doubt in the future. I think this is scumbagery on their part. It does not create an enjoyable game and it does not lead to mutual respect between kingdoms.