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Originally Posted by Chrystal Palace
Not really and its by now obvious that ASF takes every chance throw **** on BB. Mod sanctioned ranting and derailing in threads :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Palem
You know I'm always on your side!Quote:
Originally Posted by Zauper
At the risk of taking this off topic again. That isn't really the case. What Pyro did and what Emeriti did weren't the same thing at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Palem
I don't like that you are making it seem like I'm defending Pyro... grrr. I don't think they handled themselves very well in this situation and probably during the "AWAR" as well. They deserve everything that is coming to them and probably more. Trying to make these apple and oranges comparisons aren't helping anyone's case though. Its super obvious that there are biases all over the place so maybe it makes more sense to just drop it and let things fall where they may in the actual game? I'm sure next round will be quite interesting and there is no need to try to manufacture more drama than already exists.
I guess it's easier for us because kingdoms like ours are far enough away from the awar to have enjoyed the show. Like a fireworks display, you're not close enough till debris is falling down around you. In our case we had a couple of contenders sprawled in our range.
If it were me I think the fun would be irresistable. There were uninvolved kingdoms in range which could've been dragged in by proxy. Total chaos isn't the way every age should go, but this was a good one to let it all hang out. We see everyone return to the norm with little drama to conclude the age...thus far.
An open approach if I may; and this is only theory. Let's say the super kingdoms that've taken intel from the bigger ghettos have acre farms(kingdoms that won't retal them) that come to take our ghetto acres. Instead of retaliating against these acre farms we could retal the super kingdoms directly. Thus bypassing retal driven farm wars and making the race at the top more interesting. I guess the acre farm kingdoms could drive harder but the process would be more harrowing due to nw differences, CF arrangements and yada, yada. I just don't follow things well enough to know who farms who up there.
Don't forget: fun forward. If cJ can't take time to run a war let flogger or call in a retired ringer for a roll of the dice.
I suspect Expendables has about 25 people that could lead a war, maybe they could lend one to cJ. #HistoricKingdomQuote:
Originally Posted by StratOcastle
I can't believe they are going to crown. You may have enjoyed the fireworks but how can a retirement ghetto (or whatever you want to call a kd only 1/2 filled start of age) that CF'd all the top kds, win the age? They still had people defect or killed off just a few weeks ago. #saD #ThanksEmeriti #ThisIsAllYourFault #NotFloggersFault #Crown4Zauper
One sentence is a rant? I didn't even express any strong emotions or opinions lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Korp
And I'm not derailing anything. CP vs Pyro is over. The fallout is being discussed and I'm discussing the fallout.
Really? They're not at all the same thing? From here it looks like they both had friendly provinces sitting in different kingdoms that hit into their friendly kingdom's enemy. Whatever their motivations were, that seems like exactly the same thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheRealKremlin
I don't think I'd want to have my war run by anyone who's name ends in _mi. Or haplo. Or probably some other nubs!Quote:
Originally Posted by Band of Horses
The situation is pretty remarkable -- a testamount to the fact that strong whoring can still put you on par with good farmwars. 6 of the provs weren't in the kd 4 weeks ago (mar1yr7) -- representing 29,752 acres. All of those were started as fresh provs and grown; a few had to be defected or eliminated to make room. 5 weeks ago (mar1yr6), it's 9 provinces (52,113 acres).Quote:
I can't believe they are going to crown. You may have enjoyed the fireworks but how can a retirement ghetto (or whatever you want to call a kd only 1/2 filled start of age) that CF'd all the top kds, win the age? They still had people defect or killed off just a few weeks ago. #saD #ThanksEmeriti #ThisIsAllYourFault #NotFloggersFault #Crown4Zauper
Put differently -- 60% of the way through the age, they were a kd with ~64% of the provinces that they currently have.
As I understand it, there are discussions with cJ to see whether it makes sense to war for crown.
well for one pyro hadnt recruited anyone for a few weeks for next age or for the current age. So someone claiming to be a new recruit was just a lie. People can read the forums and I gather it's more likely it was just someone trying to fsu or make them look bad, poorly. (Although asfnub and palemnub fell for it so maybe not that poorly)Quote:
Originally Posted by Palem
For Seconds who just posts im joining another kingdom then makes a meaningless plunder into the kd Theyre warring the tick war starts when the other side hasnt hit for 24h and apparently were ready to
Reset because it was a meaningless fight. Surely we can agree no leader would say "hey, 1x plunder some meaningless prov because it would really help"
On the flip side the other friendly was sitting in their council channel, got told to raze by emeriti's monarch and steward, in a fight between the clear #1 and #2 kingdoms (we were both 33k and #3 was like 22k at the time)
On the flip side cr has been able to pretty much outclass the server as far as whoring goes for the past 5 ages or so. They have players and leaders who can NW deflate and grow better than anyone. It's cost them in a few age defining fights because the rules of the game are quite stupid and reward topfeeding, but in an age where none of the opposing kingdoms wars result in any big acre changes outside of the ww bonuses, and with them not needing science or wizards, it'll win them this age. Congrats
Someone posted a mass message showing that Pyro was in fact recruiting for next age. I'm also more than aware of the fact that you can most definitely recruit people without immediately moving them into the kd, especially when you're recruiting for next age. But that isn't even the point. Let's say he was crazy, wasn't recruited at all, and just plundered on a whim because he thought it would please Pyro. How is that different than what you quoted?Quote:
Originally Posted by flogger
The hilarious kicker of all this being that both kingdoms also initially denied knowing who the rogue province was.
No one told Bour to raze. They told him to threaten to raze you. While that might be grasping at straws, so is trying to point out the differences between what happened with Pyro and Emeriti.Quote:
On the flip side the other friendly was sitting in their council channel, got told to raze by emeriti's monarch and steward, in a fight between the clear #1 and #2 kingdoms (we were both 33k and #3 was like 22k at the time)
Hold on a sec. Did they explicity state "just threaten" them "but don't really raze." Or was it just sort of implied? Implying something could be subjective - it has to be clear eitherway you look at it - during the said discussion or even postmortem. I'm just an outsider to Utopia now or I may have missed the logs.
It was along the lines: Give them an unreasonably short period to respond and then start razing. Ofcourse ASF will try to spin it into something else but that's exactly what the logs show.Quote:
Originally Posted by vendetta
palem is the Anti me. Either the best troll ever of just bizzarro flog on 100% of opinions
I, for one, find it impressive to be a moderator for 10 years yet consistently be wrong about everything always. It's like taking the Constanza opposite take as a life mantra, except you're on top of your gif game.... I totally stole your Agamemnon gif for use on other forums
@palem
Kremlin stated clearly Pyro had nothing to do with it, you are slowly becoming part of anti-bb static on the forums here.
Slowly? He's been in donk mode for as long as he's posted
I have not talked to anyone for the last 2 weeks. I handed the job of recruitment to a steward who has his own way of recruiting and hence I wasn't even in-game steward or monarch. You could say his methods were unorthodox, but I cant complain since it brought in a few active peeps so far, and is setting me up for the new age while I am unavailable to fully be active on the recruitment front right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheRealKremlin
My steward tracks provinces with good activity in decent KDs on munk TF and PMs them to see if they want to join us. Currently we're fully filled and we DO have slots for the new age we want to start filling and we are doing so, BUT that DEADPOOL province was not, and still is not one of them. If he were, he would have had a copy of the message Engman received and posted in the other thread. Instead, from the screenshot we showed to you through protector or some other form had us asking why he said we took him in when we had zero contact with him before you claim we asked him to plunder you.
As for being arrogant, who's being arrogant? Like I said, I havent spoken to anyone for weeks. On this issue, I was PKed in the Awar and I lost all in-game messages of deals made in-game. I also saw Chrystal post somewhere saying he had "EOA CF with all top except Panda and WSK". My steward was looking for targets to wave and kept bugging me to wave you guys, but I told him, I dont think I made an EOACF deal but since its what Chrystal claims, and being the QQ'er and attention seeker he was, I would just leave him be and let him have the EOA CF which he claimed he had publicly with us. Just imagine if I did wave you guys and you guys went, "hey Nesta you didnt say a damn word when we claimed we had EOACF with all top and now you're feigning ignorance we dont have a CF".Quote:
Originally Posted by Engman
I explained this situation clearly to Chrystal when he was goading after waving us for cow acres then razing more off, and his response was, "excuse me, I said EOACF with top. You're not top, Nesta". Now who's the arrogant one?
So nevertheless, we got caught pants down, yet we trained up and declared and then you guys resort to defections and OOW razes to counter our push? What's that all about?
I have a theory of my own... Deadpool = Deadlift; mind = blown :D
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Originally Posted by Palem
Wow! Read the log again before you get accused of lying. The conversation went something like "if they don't respond in XX time, raze them".
That counts as telling him to raze sir.
Palem is long lost in Absalom country now. I guess logs where several Emeriti members says Bour should raze is "nobody"
Not often i say this but i agree with Korp a lot lately.Quote:
Originally Posted by Korp
I'm not the anti you. I very much agreed that it was wrong of Emeriti to suggest Bour threatens to raze you (or even suggest to raze you).Quote:
Originally Posted by flogger
Where we start to part from opinions is where you decided to completely ruin the age of an entirely separate kingdom for what was ultimately the decision a long-time Utopia veteran who most definitely knew what he was doing because you suddenly got the very unflogger-like attitude of "We're gonna screw these guys over because we want to and there's not a damn thing anyone else can do about it."
In one age BB went from having their own level of respect, to having the level of respect I have for a kingdom like PewPew, and that gave me the Disney face
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Ruined? How could one of the most entertaining ages be called ruined? The only thing ruined was that cheating alliance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Palem
I'm afraid Palem is unbiased and you guys are completely biased.
It's ok because you were in the awar so your minds are magnetically unified. It's like mob rules, but not sung by Dio.
Nothing's that good.
It's easy to see why people would think he's biased when he's still saying no one told bour to raze. Those logs have been established.Quote:
Originally Posted by StratOcastle
Kremlin, there have been numerous incidents of Pyro playing dirty both before and after their gb on Emeriti. You and Crystal have made it clear including in this thread that you have loyalty to BB. Of course readers of this thread are curious why something like this was quickly and quietly swept under the rug by you and BB after stating there was an ingame message shared about it. Why attack me for asking simple and obvious questions like If Pyro knew the player in question? And yes, I find it hypocritical that both BB and Pyro have each done the same thing that they gbd Emeriti for in the exact same age after gbing Emeriti (when one would assume they'd be on their best behavior.)
Also, you state that " What Pyro did and what Emeriti did weren't the same thing at all." I's not clear exactly what Pyro's role in this was since those who know all refuse to talk about it anymore, but it appears someone associated with pyro plundered into an active fight to help them. On the other hand, someone Emeriti was associated with tried to cf BB, had his ingame messages read but not responded to, and then razed and offered all land back plus extra free land for a cf for himself to protect his #1 province. BB was in post war, not any active fight at the time. I agree they aren't "exactly" the same, but it looks like the Pyro incident is worse to me since it was a FSU attempt into an active fight rather than a province trying to secure his own cf with no active fight.
You mean like you and Elit take every chance you get to throw **** on me stemming from something 15 ages back? At least I'm talking about things on topic from the events of the thread I post in and my "ranting" is relevant to this age.Quote:
Originally Posted by Korp
Bour was #1 province and worried Bb was about to farm him after Bb explored up hitters into his range. Logs show that the Emeriti leader's last advice for Bour was:Quote:
Originally Posted by vendetta
<jdorje> if we cf them, bour is dead and that is bad for us so if i were bour i'd go get the cf now with threats of postwar hitting if they refuse
Later a non-leader in Emeriti talked to Bour:
<cerberusv6.66> gonna get that cf?
<bour> will try to get it
<cerberusv6.66> give them at most 3 hours to respond start killing if they don't answer or try to delay imo
Nesta, why not just show the ingame message from Deadpool that everyone is talking about and explain why Deadpool told his kingdom he was joining you? I believe you that you weren't personally involved, but it still seems like there is something being hidden since the supposed exoneration messages are not being shown and a lot of things that still don't add up based on the forum info.
Only one to call him unbiased is someone playing in his KD. People like Korp who are not a part of an alliance and have thus far not actively taken sides called him ASF 2.0 in a sense. Now lets take a minute, stand back, and objectively draw a conclusion who is being biased here and whose mind is magnetically unified with whom. Thanks for taking the time to see things for what they are.Quote:
Originally Posted by StratOcastle
Not to make this about Palem, but it's well known Palem had beef with jdorje (a main Emeriti leader) back when he ran Sanc and has never had any sort of "ally" relation with me or anyone that I know of in Emeriti. Palem has no reason at all to be biased in favor of Emeriti so perhaps he is being honest about his opinion based on the facts?
As for Korp, calling him unbiased makes you look ridiculous. Korp has spent many real life years constantly attacking everything I post regardless of what it's about.
is this convo from your main channel or leadership channel?Quote:
Originally Posted by AquaSeaFoam
I'll leave the ridiculous part for people to decide. You made me a liar posting that because now it's yours truly ASF and someone from the faery circle calling Palem unbiased. Rest I leave for people to draw a conclusion based on what I already mentioned. Personally I think everyone is biased but trying to exclude yourself or someone else from any form of bias based on your own bias just makes you look like a hypocrite; that was my own conclusion, as I said you are free to draw your own.Quote:
Originally Posted by AquaSeaFoam
No, I'm saying Emeriti didn't tell Bour to raze. Cerb isn't leadership. If you want to say that Emeriti told Bour to raze then you have to say that BB told Pyro to wave into FS's hostile (which I wouldn't)Quote:
Originally Posted by Touchdown
I may certainly be "wrong", but I wouldn't consider myself biased. I call them like I see them. Sometimes I'm on and sometimes I'm off but I'm not going to stop myself from voicing my opinions. I haven't seen enough to believe that BB/Feyr Play's hands are totally clean, and for that matter, if you think anyone's hands are totally clean, then you're prolly a little too biased to be passing judgment.Quote:
Originally Posted by MyNameIsMatija
Our "leadership" channel had 14 people always in it. Our "main" channel has 52 people always in it. The conversation was in the channel with 14 people in it.Quote:
Originally Posted by LoRD_SaMPuaN
I have done nothing but post facts and called upon others to draw conclusions of their own based on all the info available; I made sure to not pass my opinions as "facts". In the disparity of actual evidence I trust my own logical reasoning over the daily propaganda, call that bias if you like but even so I made sure to not force my own reasoning onto others. You gave it your best to try and show how a meaningless plunder holds the same significance as someone interfering with the race for whoring crowns; in my opinion that is not logical reasoning and shows a real bias towards an idea that might not hold water, again others can disagree but "I'm just calling them as I see them." Also, ad hominem doesn't change these things in any way even if I was the most biased individual here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Palem
No you don't ASF, we already established that you went off topic on the first page of this thread. Which you admitted and also repeatedly brought up BB every chance you get.
Also I am quite unbiased in this matter since I don't take anyone's side. Just call **** where I see it. :)
Matija,
In making your conclusions, please don't overlook the reason for the actions in both cases. In Bour's case, he was the #1 province and was trying to secure his own cf with his only real threat. He asked for the cf before razing and asked again when he razed along with offering all razed land (380a) plus more back. BB was in post war and in cf talks with Emeriti with no active fight.
In this case with Deadpool, Deadpool was leaving his province (he claimed because he was joining Pyro) and hit into an active fight helping Pyro to some extent (reportedly 700k gc although I'm not sure if this number is confirmed by Crystal/Kremlin.) His only motivation appeared to be to help Pyro and hurt Crystal.
It has always been my opinion that doing FSU to hurt a kingdom with the goal of helping friends is a serious problem. This is not what Bour did. There have been numerous kingdoms that did actions like this in recent ages and none of them had any ties to Emeriti. It seems that some of the most prominent ones that did this FSU on top kingdoms in recent ages had ties to Pyro and BB.
Korp, I'm pretty good about relating all my posts either directly to the topic or directly to other posts already in the thread. Rarely do I take a thread off topic myself although I don't claim to be perfect. Korp, you're a well known troll and have waged some sort of forum war against me and some others for years. Claiming to be unbiased just reduces your trolling credibility.
those numbers seem quite excessive, i guess it would be safe to assume it also includes ppl from your alliance..Quote:
Originally Posted by AquaSeaFoam
i could join a ghetto and raze some random kd into war, and claim i am emeriti's friend and will join them soon.. does that make it true? if you think it does, you are beyond redemption..Quote:
Originally Posted by AquaSeaFoam
things change just a little bit though, when the person in action is in your 'leadership' channel and was 'advised' or 'encouraged' or 'suggested' to do so..
Sampuan,
You're right, there are other possible explanations for what happened including that it was all a setup/frame job by someone. All I've been doing here is asking for those who seem to know what really happened to explain.
The people in the channels are mostly players/former players or friends that aren't playing utopia currently at all. We don't usually kick people out if they quit/leave on good terms. We initially only had one channel (no leadership channel) for the full kingdom to be involved in all discussions, but later made a separate channel since 50 people in the main channel was getting a bit excessive for planning discussions. Cerberus was in the other channel for about a month total and is no longer there. He's a good guy and has a lot of opinions, but he was never making leadership decisions in Emeriti.