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Originally Posted by Uncle Ed

We just lost our third, but it is not PK. Their monarch assured me that it is just the tick that is killing these guys and not the multiple massacres, or kidnappings that are doing it. I have been back to the game 4 ages now, and we have always been respectful to every kingdom we have warred with the exception of one. Last age we warred a kingdom named Docs and were getting owned hard. They were amazing! They could get like 23 people online in the same hour to do ops and attacks and were just waxing us bad. Right before minimum time, 11 of their provinces got deleted. Come to find out they had like 7 guys playing 25 provinces. We gave them a lot of crap for that because if they would not have gotten deleted we would have lost a war. We play with 25 players from all over the world, and find it impossible for all of us to log on at the same time. It is hard to play that way, but I am pretty sure it is the way the devs wanted this game to be played. Docs cheated and got deleted for it and yes we gave them the business for being cheaters. They of course threatened to PK us, but instead just WD and we did not hear from them since.

Until now??? Doc's is that you??

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Hardly. We're just motivated. I routinely wake up at 3:30 am for coordinated waves. Don't blame us for your poor province management.

Look in the mirror if youre looking for someone to blame. WD button was available 48hrs ago. Your players inactivity is not our problem.

Damn, wish they put up something like a War Forum in the game, oh wait...

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Originally Posted by MyNameIsMatija

Damn, wish they put up something like a War Forum in the game, oh wait...

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Your point being?

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Originally Posted by Stolen

I have this thing called alarm clock, it's easy to set up to your troops being home.
I'm from whole different timezone than rest of our guys and I usually have to wake up in the middle of the night, like at 3am, to be ready for our actions.
I think that's called dedication to the game and Kingdom, not multing.

Also, I'm online like 18 hours a day :)

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We might be looking for 1+. Interested? :)

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Originally Posted by MyNameIsMatija

Damn, wish they put up something like a War Forum in the game, oh wait...

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lol Sorry, it is our dirty laundry airing. Felt the need to respond to the original post.

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Originally Posted by trekguy

lol Sorry, it is our dirty laundry airing. Felt the need to respond to the original post.

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lol

No need to aplogize, but this just really reminded me of some random War Forum gone wrong.

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Originally Posted by jo.t.reid

We might be looking for 1+. Interested? :)

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Sorry, I'm just a nobody in the game and dedicated to my Kingdom ;)

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Originally Posted by MyNameIsMatija

lol

No need to aplogize, but this just really reminded me of some random War Forum gone wrong.

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Strangest thing happened. Their monarch died and the war forum died and reset with him.

I have a feeling we warred and reported docs last age for that exact issue. Might have been another KD though.

As an Australian, I have known the pain of 3am wavetimes.

Although it's not really honourable to attempt to kill provs, you have no excuse whatsoever for letting your province die. We had two players in our KD prove that this war, it was quite impressive.

Also, Congrats to Spartans for the win. Hopefully we can go in on more even ground next time!

OMG. all those posts.. well its not too bad to get hope too high. good job to both kds :)

P.S. Heaven wanted to tell hipmunks their biggest mistake was they reneged a deal made with him. anyways, its just amazing how he made the deal, planned war strat, facilitate wave when hes not even in Sparta :) and sorry i didnt post those logs and msgs you badly wanted me to post; that would have been a bad move.

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Originally Posted by Uncle Ed

We just lost our third, but it is not PK. Their monarch assured me that it is just the tick that is killing these guys and not the multiple massacres, or kidnappings that are doing it. I have been back to the game 4 ages now, and we have always been respectful to every kingdom we have warred with the exception of one. Last age we warred a kingdom named Docs and were getting owned hard. They were amazing! They could get like 23 people online in the same hour to do ops and attacks and were just waxing us bad. Right before minimum time, 11 of their provinces got deleted. Come to find out they had like 7 guys playing 25 provinces. We gave them a lot of crap for that because if they would not have gotten deleted we would have lost a war. We play with 25 players from all over the world, and find it impossible for all of us to log on at the same time. It is hard to play that way, but I am pretty sure it is the way the devs wanted this game to be played. Docs cheated and got deleted for it and yes we gave them the business for being cheaters. They of course threatened to PK us, but instead just WD and we did not hear from them since.

Until now??? Doc's is that you??

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Hey I know you hate me and hipmunks, but I was the one that reported that kd. I remember I messaged you (or your monarch) in game congratulating you on the war win after the were mehul'ed. We warred them earlier in the age (and won) but noticed massively obvious xlogging.

Small world!

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Originally Posted by p0ngkol

OMG. all those posts.. well its not too bad to get hope too high. good job to both kds :)

P.S. Heaven wanted to tell hipmunks their biggest mistake was they reneged a deal made with him. anyways, its just amazing how he made the deal, planned war strat, facilitate wave when hes not even in Sparta :) and sorry i didnt post those logs and msgs you badly wanted me to post; that would have been a bad move.

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We didn't reneg a deal, the deal was just logistically impractical so Child was forced to change the terms. Hipmunks gave you an extra 2 days to grow to the amended acre cap. Growing is ALWAYS better than taking 4k acres in landdrops, so what you might call a "reneg" is actually just a better deal for you.

But anyways, that's been over already. It wasn't hipmunks not living up to war terms, it was a combo of bad war terms that I initially agreed to as I had one foot out the door at the time. Hipmunks knew they had a 90% chance of losing at war declare but did it anyways, if that's dishonourable then I don't think I know the definition of the word.

Congrats to Spartans, was a fun war for me to watch and I know the guys learned a few new tricks!

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Originally Posted by Swagger

We didn't reneg a deal, the deal was just logistically impractical so Child was forced to change the terms. Hipmunks gave you an extra 2 days to grow to the amended acre cap. Growing is ALWAYS better than taking 4k acres in landdrops, so what you might call a "reneg" is actually just a better deal for you.

But anyways, that's been over already. It wasn't hipmunks not living up to war terms, it was a combo of bad war terms that I initially agreed to as I had one foot out the door at the time. Hipmunks knew they had a 90% chance of losing at war declare but did it anyways, if that's dishonourable then I don't think I know the definition of the word.

Congrats to Spartans, was a fun war for me to watch and I know the guys learned a few new tricks!

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It was an awesome fight, both sides fought very well.
Not personally arguing against you Swagger, but Spartans had to grow a buttload which affected wpa and required huge amounts of gold to build up, train troops to fit the new land limits.

We were first waved by Hipmunks when we were ~39k acres and they were 44k. When war was declared, we were ~ 48k and hipmunks ~49k. Having to grow so much in a relatively short span of time is not that good/easy as it seems. Personal anecdote was that my province was very well prepared for war with 4rwpa ( Hybrid attacker ), and having to grow cut it down to 3. This was not to mention the headaches from having to train elites for the new acres. I don't want to go into depth the original/amended war terms since it is already over.

Anyway, very nice fight on both sides!

All I am saying is in the last 4 ages we have made no enemies. We average about 8 wars an age and win or lose we show a lot of respect to our opponent. The only problem we have had was with Docs because they cheated (thanks for the war win Hipmunks, you guys are cool now..hehe). Now Ascension has not only PK'ed three of our guys, but they taunt us with their banners and in the war forums(yes I am deleting them). I am not saying they are Docs, I am just saying they act like them. Not cool at all.

Anyways, most of my kingdom did not want to fight Ascension. After terms were agreed, they grew to 2k acres and 350k more NW more than us, and my kingdom wanted to back out. I talked to their monarch on Whatsap and he seemed really cool, explaining that when u make terms u should put a growth cap in (lesson learned). I basically talked my kingdom into warring Ascension by explaining how I gave my word, and how in the worst case scenario we would learn from them like we learned from getting rolled by Seagulls, Divinity and others. They agreed, but unlike Divinity and Seagulls, they did not kick our butts and then give us advice and tips, instead they killed off 3 of our guys and taunted us.

I don't think I will ever have a kingdom like Ascension. I cannot get 25 guys to log on at the same time, and I will not ask them to piss off their wives by setting alarm for 3am so they can make a wave, or to stay online 17 hours. Since I consider them my friends, I will not ask them to leave the kingdom so I can try and find someone who will be online 17 hours a day. Instead, we will keep trying to play with the cool kids in Utopia and avoid the bullies that will beat us up and laugh at us and call us names.

Congrats to you Ascension! You guys are one of the better kingdoms we have warred against. Good luck the ROA.

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Originally Posted by Child

Also, Congrats to Spartans for the win. Hopefully we can go in on more even ground next time!

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I agree. Going in 3k less acres, having being waved, having to grow 4k acres quickly (fatties!!) wasn't very even :)

1/3 of your kingdom was pumped for war. The rest not so much, even though you had ample time..?

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Originally Posted by stickysweets

It was an awesome fight, both sides fought very well.
Not personally arguing against you Swagger, but Spartans had to grow a buttload which affected wpa and required huge amounts of gold to build up, train troops to fit the new land limits.

We were first waved by Hipmunks when we were ~39k acres and they were 44k. When war was declared, we were ~ 48k and hipmunks ~49k. Having to grow so much in a relatively short span of time is not that good/easy as it seems. Personal anecdote was that my province was very well prepared for war with 4rwpa ( Hybrid attacker ), and having to grow cut it down to 3. This was not to mention the headaches from having to train elites for the new acres. I don't want to go into depth the original/amended war terms since it is already over.

Anyway, very nice fight on both sides!

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Yea, there are definitely detriments to growing, but there are also much (better imo) benefits. You guys had the flexibility to know EXACTLY what size Hipmunks provinces would be at, so you could customize your acres to wherever was most useful to you. You took advantage of that and secured your dwarf/elf banks/turtle hitters.

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Originally Posted by Uncle Ed

All I am saying is in the last 4 ages we have made no enemies. We average about 8 wars an age and win or lose we show a lot of respect to our opponent. The only problem we have had was with Docs because they cheated (thanks for the war win Hipmunks, you guys are cool now..hehe). Now Ascension has not only PK'ed three of our guys, but they taunt us with their banners and in the war forums(yes I am deleting them). I am not saying they are Docs, I am just saying they act like them. Not cool at all.

Anyways, most of my kingdom did not want to fight Ascension. After terms were agreed, they grew to 2k acres and 350k more NW more than us, and my kingdom wanted to back out. I talked to their monarch on Whatsap and he seemed really cool, explaining that when u make terms u should put a growth cap in (lesson learned). I basically talked my kingdom into warring Ascension by explaining how I gave my word, and how in the worst case scenario we would learn from them like we learned from getting rolled by Seagulls, Divinity and others. They agreed, but unlike Divinity and Seagulls, they did not kick our butts and then give us advice and tips, instead they killed off 3 of our guys and taunted us.

I don't think I will ever have a kingdom like Ascension. I cannot get 25 guys to log on at the same time, and I will not ask them to piss off their wives by setting alarm for 3am so they can make a wave, or to stay online 17 hours. Since I consider them my friends, I will not ask them to leave the kingdom so I can try and find someone who will be online 17 hours a day. Instead, we will keep trying to play with the cool kids in Utopia and avoid the bullies that will beat us up and laugh at us and call us names.

Congrats to you Ascension! You guys are one of the better kingdoms we have warred against. Good luck the ROA.

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Thanks god I'm a bachelor and working 16hour shifts now as a shift supervisor at work so I have access to computer and Utopia all the time :)
Also, I like playing "hardcore"(sleepless nights, waking up at 3am etc.) when warring, I'm always dedicated fully to the game I'm playing.

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Originally Posted by Uncle Ed

All I am saying is in the last 4 ages we have made no enemies. We average about 8 wars an age and win or lose we show a lot of respect to our opponent. The only problem we have had was with Docs because they cheated (thanks for the war win Hipmunks, you guys are cool now..hehe). Now Ascension has not only PK'ed three of our guys, but they taunt us with their banners and in the war forums(yes I am deleting them). I am not saying they are Docs, I am just saying they act like them. Not cool at all.

Anyways, most of my kingdom did not want to fight Ascension. After terms were agreed, they grew to 2k acres and 350k more NW more than us, and my kingdom wanted to back out. I talked to their monarch on Whatsap and he seemed really cool, explaining that when u make terms u should put a growth cap in (lesson learned). I basically talked my kingdom into warring Ascension by explaining how I gave my word, and how in the worst case scenario we would learn from them like we learned from getting rolled by Seagulls, Divinity and others. They agreed, but unlike Divinity and Seagulls, they did not kick our butts and then give us advice and tips, instead they killed off 3 of our guys and taunted us.

I don't think I will ever have a kingdom like Ascension. I cannot get 25 guys to log on at the same time, and I will not ask them to piss off their wives by setting alarm for 3am so they can make a wave, or to stay online 17 hours. Since I consider them my friends, I will not ask them to leave the kingdom so I can try and find someone who will be online 17 hours a day. Instead, we will keep trying to play with the cool kids in Utopia and avoid the bullies that will beat us up and laugh at us and call us names.

Congrats to you Ascension! You guys are one of the better kingdoms we have warred against. Good luck the ROA.

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We usually do give tips after the war is over, we had war terms as to when we would start. Gambatte sent an attack ~10 hours prior to our agreed start. He also learned the chained provinces, the first two pk we didn't really help along, when your monarch logged off he had 13 peasants, we thought for sure he'd see it. the third pk we did on purpose.

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Originally Posted by jo.t.reid

I agree. Going in 3k less acres, having being waved, having to grow 4k acres quickly (fatties!!) wasn't very even :)

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You had a week to grow ~200 acres per province, don't make it seem too hard lol

And you can cancel out the "being waved" part of the equation as hipmunks took a lot more hits from CR than we did on you guys.

But you guys did straight up prep better than Hipmunks, there's no denying that.

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Originally Posted by Bestest Ever

We usually do give tips after the war is over, we had war terms as to when we would start. Gambatte sent an attack ~10 hours prior to our agreed start. He also learned the chained provinces, the first two pk we didn't really help along, when your monarch logged off he had 13 peasants, we thought for sure he'd see it. the third pk we did on purpose.

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Also, he was on land def so everyone could sent the extras to hit him.

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Originally Posted by Uncle Ed

All I am saying is in the last 4 ages we have made no enemies. We average about 8 wars an age and win or lose we show a lot of respect to our opponent. The only problem we have had was with Docs because they cheated (thanks for the war win Hipmunks, you guys are cool now..hehe). Now Ascension has not only PK'ed three of our guys, but they taunt us with their banners and in the war forums(yes I am deleting them). I am not saying they are Docs, I am just saying they act like them. Not cool at all.

Anyways, most of my kingdom did not want to fight Ascension. After terms were agreed, they grew to 2k acres and 350k more NW more than us, and my kingdom wanted to back out. I talked to their monarch on Whatsap and he seemed really cool, explaining that when u make terms u should put a growth cap in (lesson learned). I basically talked my kingdom into warring Ascension by explaining how I gave my word, and how in the worst case scenario we would learn from them like we learned from getting rolled by Seagulls, Divinity and others. They agreed, but unlike Divinity and Seagulls, they did not kick our butts and then give us advice and tips, instead they killed off 3 of our guys and taunted us.

I don't think I will ever have a kingdom like Ascension. I cannot get 25 guys to log on at the same time, and I will not ask them to piss off their wives by setting alarm for 3am so they can make a wave, or to stay online 17 hours. Since I consider them my friends, I will not ask them to leave the kingdom so I can try and find someone who will be online 17 hours a day. Instead, we will keep trying to play with the cool kids in Utopia and avoid the bullies that will beat us up and laugh at us and call us names.

Congrats to you Ascension! You guys are one of the better kingdoms we have warred against. Good luck the ROA.

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This is a less than honest portrayal of events. Here are some highlights (I'm not going to address every issue here): The biggest issue is you guys chopped our t/m pre hostilities against our agreement; then you obliged us to give you the button in fort. To your credit you did actually keep your end as far as pushing the button. Misc other issues from your end was you learned us, I think its a bad idea to do learns against a kingdom unless your winning; especially if your wanting to keep things friendly. Lastly, you had made hollow and empty threats against us in the war forum.

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Originally Posted by Stolen

Also, he was on land def so everyone could sent the extras to hit him.

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Bah, let it go guys, all he said, she said, both sides are going to feel justified in their actions based on real or perceived injustices. WO, you're not our enemy. It was a hard fought war, you guys did a good job. Our banner game is part of the fun. You can either play with us or feel slighted, you decided upon the latter, that's your call. Playing utopia doesn't require you to wake at 3am for wave times, we're just dedicated to the craft and it doesn't make us multis, we're here to play hard ball, nothing more. It was a fun war and we hope you got something out of it as well.

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Originally Posted by jo.t.reid

1/3 of your kingdom was pumped for war. The rest not so much, even though you had ample time..?

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Yeah... I don't know what happened there.

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Originally Posted by trekguy

Bah, let it go guys, all he said, she said, both sides are going to feel justified in their actions based on real or perceived injustices. WO, you're not our enemy. It was a hard fought war, you guys did a good job. Our banner game is part of the fun. You can either play with us or feel slighted, you decided upon the latter, that's your call. Playing utopia doesn't require you to wake at 3am for wave times, we're just dedicated to the craft and it doesn't make us multis, we're here to play hard ball, nothing more. It was a fun war and we hope you got something out of it as well.

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What? I think some of that wasn't meant to be reply to me, since we are in same KD, aren't we? :)

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Originally Posted by Stolen

What? I think some of that wasn't meant to be reply to me, since we are in same KD, aren't we? :)

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Yes but now you'll have to guess who. You get a cookie when you figure it out. :p

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Originally Posted by trekguy

Yes but now you'll have to guess who. You get a cookie when you figure it out. :p

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RJ, where's my cookie? This topic is derailing, maybe I should stop :D

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Originally Posted by Osaze

Yeah... I don't know what happened there.

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Btw hope your LD orc didn't take those learns to heart. I personally wouldn't have done it if Ballz/Mao weren't learned multiple times..

Congrats to both Spartans and Hipmunks for that long tough war.
Any summaries? I observed that while Hipmunks was busy hitting some of Spartas tms the latters dwarfs and an elf keeps growing strong and later it was obvious that theyre going to take the big lead again soon. Also Hipmunks nw keeps dropping even their tms. Were there massacres made by those Spartan dwarves?

The Docs after their deletions got dropped into more ghetto territory. They waved my kd but when I prolonged the hostilities and played the meter well they cf'd. And they were nice but I did forgot to ask why lots of them got deleted earlier. Lol!

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Originally Posted by jo.t.reid

Btw hope your LD orc didn't take those learns personally. I personally wouldn't have done it if Ballz/Mao weren't learned multiple times..

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No offense because I like you guys, but you do do learns in war. Maybe not you personally, and I respect that. But in fact it's why I like warring you guys: no BS. If you fight Spartans it's for real.

What else I like about Spartans is your guys can fight outside the pack. I've dueled with a couple, alone in the field, and you're very solid. I make it my business to isolate provinces and most others wilt one-on-one.

Congratulations!

** Summary ** (from Spartan's side)
Total attacks made: 715 (47,666 acres)
-- Traditional march: 592 (45,625 acres)
-- Ambush: 22 (1,964 acres)
-- Conquest: 1 (77 acres)
-- Raze: 36 (0 acres)
-- Massacre: 45 (142,091 population)
-- Learn: 9
-- Failed: 10 (1.4% failure)
-- Uniques: 213
Total attacks suffered: 749 (54,872 acres)
-- Traditional march: 645 (49,998 acres)
-- Ambush: 61 (4,874 acres)
-- Raze: 10 (0 acres)
-- Massacre: 2 (7,201 population)
-- Learn: 20
-- Failed: 11 (1.5% failure)
-- Uniques: 262

Edit: hipmunks made a lot of cqs
This was definitely a good war, made it to 6 days! A fine example too showing how nw wins war despite being behind on acres.

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Originally Posted by p0ngkol

-- Raze: 36 (0 acres)
-- Massacre: 45 (142,091 population)

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Good call by their monarch to wd when they did.

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Originally Posted by Swagger

You had a week to grow ~200 acres per province, don't make it seem too hard lol

And you can cancel out the "being waved" part of the equation as hipmunks took a lot more hits from CR than we did on you guys.

But you guys did straight up prep better than Hipmunks, there's no denying that.

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Yup, Spartans won this in the pre-war preparation. That's probably our KD's biggest weakness and from what I saw one of Spartans biggest strengths. Simply too good for us in that regard, no question there!
And once we got through diplomacy tensions, they're all turned out to be pretty cool people.
I just wish Heaven would have buggered off and let us win the war! ;)

For the time from May 20 of YR6 till April 7 of YR7 - 132 hours

** Summary ** (Hipmunks side)
Total attacks made: 749 (54,872 acres)
-- Traditional march: 623 (48,381 acres)
-- Ambush: 61 (4,874 acres)
-- Conquest: 22 (1,617 acres)
-- Raze: 10 (0 acres)
-- Massacre: 2 (7,201 population)
-- Learn: 20
-- Failed: 11 (1.5% failure)
-- Uniques: 262
Total attacks suffered: 715 (47,666 acres)
-- Traditional march: 593 (45,702 acres)
-- Ambush: 22 (1,964 acres)
-- Raze: 36 (0 acres)
-- Massacre: 45 (142,091 population)
-- Learn: 9
-- Failed: 10 (1.4% failure)
-- Uniques: 213

** Uniques for Hipmunks **
Steal The Light - 19
Eyeless - 17
silversun pickups the pit - 17
Thrift Shop - 15
Big Papi - 14
Hooked on a Feeling - 13
Eon Blue Apocalypse - 13
Figure-09 - 11
Hell Awaits - 11
The Madness of King Scar - 11
Fear Of The Dark - 11
Smells Like Teen Spirit - 11
Love Me Like You Do - 11
Tortoise and the Hare - 10
I want2fall in luvwith a human - 10
Radioactive Swimming Pools - 10
Bron Yr Aur - 10
hit me baby one more time - 10
Happy little boozer - 10
FreeWill - 8
beyuese - 8
Crocketts Theme - 4
Itchy *****y Spyder - 4
Highway To Hell - 2
Dont Eat The Yellow Snow - 2

Those avians kept us in it. But yeah, the razes and Massacres were simply too much! Well played :)

Great war, congrats to Spartans. They had the better gameplan and execution, and deserve the win. We did what we could despite the long odds, and I'm proud of our kd for putting up a good fight. All the best to the Spartans, maybe we'll meet again sometime in the future!

I've always been of the mindset that learns are fine in war. If you get mad that someone is utilizing a game mechanic, it's probably because it is effective.
I get mad as all hell when I get learned in war, but I can't deny that it's effective in certain circumstances.

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Originally Posted by Uncle Ed

I don't think I will ever have a kingdom like Ascension. I cannot get 25 guys to log on at the same time, and I will not ask them to piss off their wives by setting alarm for 3am so they can make a wave, or to stay online 17 hours. Since I consider them my friends, I will not ask them to leave the kingdom so I can try and find someone who will be online 17 hours a day. Instead, we will keep trying to play with the cool kids in Utopia and avoid the bullies that will beat us up and laugh at us and call us names.

Congrats to you Ascension! You guys are one of the better kingdoms we have warred against. Good luck the ROA.

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Thanks for the compliment. My hubby doesnt get pissed off when i set 2 am alarms to AIAO. He just says, "War is heck". Either you play hard, or you die.... (p.s. being retired helps a lot)

Ascension has a very good core playerbase and I'm really looking forward to warring them this age. Not calling you out, just saying if it happens.

Looking forward to it. I think it's more of a when it happens vs "if" it happens. Should be a good one.

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Originally Posted by p0ngkol

Edit: hipmunks made a lot of cqs

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really hard to win with conquests unless your undeads, typically it'd be better to bounce+1tap an attacker than conquest a t/m unless your sure u can bring em down in 1 wave.