omg omg omg panda what?!

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Originally Posted by pierniczek

Exactly, you are 1000% correct sir. This age we decided to grow at first so we can have a shot at warring the best as we have warred the warring tier for many ages and really not much could be learned.
These guys are very elite, this really showed us what 25 man perfection is. We see every move they make and its very good. We couldn't have gained a better learning expierience then this.
One might ask why didn't we set up a fair war with them, thing is I'm sure we would never be able to pump to -1PPA so that would be impossible for us to tackle. Besides we had the revenge motive and since they played dirty with us, we wanted to play dirty with them.

I see only 2 Kingdoms in the game ATM who can compete with them on the same level of activity, coordination, tactics and strategy level.
The rest can farmout :)

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Kind words and fair enough except db is not the route to take.

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Originally Posted by pierniczek

Exactly, you are 1000% correct sir. This age we decided to grow at first so we can have a shot at warring the best as we have warred the warring tier for many ages and really not much could be learned.
These guys are very elite, this really showed us what 25 man perfection is. We see every move they make and its very good. We couldn't have gained a better learning expierience then this.
One might ask why didn't we set up a fair war with them, thing is I'm sure we would never be able to pump to -1PPA so that would be impossible for us to tackle. Besides we had the revenge motive and since they played dirty with us, we wanted to play dirty with them.

I see only 2 Kingdoms in the game ATM who can compete with them on the same level of activity, coordination, tactics and strategy level.
The rest can farmout :)

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The suspense. Which 2?

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Originally Posted by Elit

Yes if you refer to Rage they actually dint break deal but you was ABS leader and ABS Kds have break deals several times with KDs i was in past. You was perfect aware Jdorje plan to set BS 2vs1 against AMA after they loss his war but you did noting to stop him. Havoc gave us notice during active hostile but you did noting to stop them. Here is other examples too but i will keep them for next time if need.

Here is some bla bla bla in forum but actually i never broke first any deal...but if some one break deal with me i have legit right to make same in return.

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The kingdoms I lead never deal broke. Your example using kingdoms I didn't lead is not even a deal break. Your example was where a kingdom gave you legit notice but you tried to dodge them by waving sanc, who was half your size, right when your notice with havoc ended. Sanc tried to cf you without even hitting back but of course you refused because you thought it would help you dodge havok. Complain about that all you like, but I was not leading any kingdom involved and none of the kingdoms even deal broke.

As for you, there are plenty of examples of you deal breaking kingdoms without being deal broke by them first. Cr is probably one example as discussed here already. Pyro is another. It seems any time you are put in a no win situation you will either deal break or pull some other stunt.

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Originally Posted by AquaSeaFoam

The kingdoms I lead never deal broke. Your example using kingdoms I didn't lead is not even a deal break. Your example was where a kingdom gave you legit notice but you tried to dodge them by waving sanc, who was half your size, right when your notice with havoc ended. Sanc tried to cf you without even hitting back but of course you refused because you thought it would help you dodge havok. Complain about that all you like, but I was not leading any kingdom involved and none of the kingdoms even deal broke.

As for you, there are plenty of examples of you deal breaking kingdoms without being deal broke by them first. Cr is probably one example as discussed here already. Pyro is another. It seems any time you are put in a no win situation you will either deal break or pull some other stunt.

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How im dodge when Sanctuary was aggressor right after post war end? Do you think its normal when YOU know we are prepare for war havoc Sanctuary to start masive rob all our Kingdoms when we didunt gave any indication for go after them? All our Kd was in semy pump mode preparing for war Havoc. Its was ABS scheme for interfere our preparation. If some one is pick on me i have full right to wave him back. Our deal with havoc included no notice in hostile and they gave me notice when both Kds traded hits and ops. Its clear break our deal terms...

Havoc had zero chances in his incoming war against us. Why i need to dodge them when its last KD i need to beat for win age? Its why i really dislike you. You perfect well know this but still giving me stupid PR BS how im dodge farm... ABS did it for stop AMA win age because you had full control in top having 4 from top 5 Kds so don't matter what you do none can help us. Just admit it and don't waste our time with nonsense.
Its why i blame you not less from jdorje because you still defend them.

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Originally Posted by AquaSeaFoam

The kingdoms I lead never deal broke. Your example using kingdoms I didn't lead is not even a deal break. Your example was where a kingdom gave you legit notice but you tried to dodge them by waving sanc, who was half your size, right when your notice with havoc ended. Sanc tried to cf you without even hitting back but of course you refused because you thought it would help you dodge havok. Complain about that all you like, but I was not leading any kingdom involved and none of the kingdoms even deal broke.

As for you there are plenty of examples of you deal breaking kingdoms without being deal broke by them first. Cr is probably one example as discussed here already. Pyro is another. It seems any time you are put in a no win situation you will either deal break or pull some other stunt.

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The most logical sanc dealbreak to me to mention would have been when dorje waved (seasons? sonata?) at EOA because he assumed it was the last age of utopia. I can't think of any examples where ASF-lead kingdoms broke their deals offhand (alliance mates, yes). Monolith...tivoli...err, I forget the kdname.. age 29 maybe?

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Originally Posted by Zauper

The most logical sanc dealbreak to me to mention would have been when dorje waved (seasons? sonata?) at EOA because he assumed it was the last age of utopia. I can't think of any examples where ASF-lead kingdoms broke their deals offhand (alliance mates, yes). Monolith...tivoli...err, I forget the kdname.. age 29 maybe?

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He deal broke Sonata. KD formed from Realest after Season disband.

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Originally Posted by LoRD_SaMPuaN

what deal we have broken exactly? i thought the claim was 'threatening to dealbreak', which was already far from truth anyway..

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Oh you know, when you threatened to dealbreak spartans if they made a CF deal with someone you were competing with, so they called your bluff and waved you as you deserved.

Threatening a dealbreak is equivalent to a dealbreak, and leaves you entirely at fault.

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Originally Posted by protector

Every age a bunch of people threaten to do X and it rarely happens. It's just big talk by some big mouths
I got threatened with "give me eoa cf or we raze you" a few days ago. I told them to start razing, not much later they went to fakewar to avoid getting farmed. (there's a topic on the forum about a 12prov vs 22prov kd)

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Good, call their bluff every time.

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It's better to be dealbroken than to dealbreak.

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If someone threatens to break an agreement, their word is void, and the dealbreak already happened.

If I make a deal with someone and then have to constantly worry about them breaking that deal, then their word is literally meaningless and the deal might as well have never existed.

If my company signs a contract to provide a service in exchange for money, and halfway through the other party says 'you know what, on second thought, we're not going to pay you unless you also provide this other service that wasn't even in our original contract', We're going to immediately stop work and call our lawyer. I'm not just going to happily continue providing services with no expectation of being paid.

You don't bluff breaking a contract. That's how you get your ass sued.

Same principle should apply to diplomacy in-game.

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And how would we be aware of what FS said when Bart doesn't open his mouth about it?

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Because he posted logs on the forum Francis threatening to dealbreak them within three hours of their wave?

How's that war going though - you know, the one this thread is suppose to be about.

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Originally Posted by maccar86

How's that war going though - you know, the one this thread is suppose to be about.

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From my sources Panda win big time. Over 8k acres gains from 2 waves in war few h before next wave.

p.s
Im not surprised. Hesus/Vir coss play from long so they know how to war.

p.s.2
Anri play from long too so hope he wont bonce at least :D

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Originally Posted by maccar86

How's that war going though - you know, the one this thread is suppose to be about.

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At present, in war, notpandas appear to be up ~11k acres (27 hours in). They did just wave though, so I'd expect that number to drop some when jesters(?) waves back.

Emerald (on notpandas) vs ruby(?) dragons on the kds?

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Originally Posted by Meep

Because he posted logs on the forum Francis threatening to dealbreak them within three hours of their wave?

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You are saying he has already waved before contacting anyone... That was the point I think.

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Originally Posted by CR7

OT: word on the grapevine is (and this isn't very surprising) that you have a few fingers in the pie in Jesters leadership.

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Originally Posted by maccar86

Bart, can you please give us an insight on how you think the war against "pandas" is going and what your next move is to try and bring this back into jesters/spartas favour? Thank you

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Originally Posted by JusticeLeague

"Like" Too true
Weak minded ones will get easily manipulated like Jesters.

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I'm not sure if you know but no kingdom competing for land would suggest giving away so many acres to the number 1 spot. That would be insane.
We had our motivates and we agreed to do this as a Kingdom composed out of 25 women and men.
We knew we'd get destroyed but we also knew that was our chance to actually hurt them as that Kingdom is usually 10-20 milion NW larger then us....

We at Jesters do what we want and are independant as shown in the big server "Alliance war" that took place I think 3 or 4 ages ago...

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Originally Posted by Zauper

At present, in war, notpandas appear to be up ~11k acres (27 hours in). They did just wave though, so I'd expect that number to drop some when jesters(?) waves back.

Emerald (on notpandas) vs ruby(?) dragons on the kds?

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That's how it looks, we were very land fat on thier land before they declared, they had all the economy and GC in fort so this is really obvious. The pendulum swings.
In harsh times I always advise the team not to look at the Kingdom Page and just complete the objectives.

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Originally Posted by Meep

If someone threatens to break an agreement, their word is void, and the dealbreak already happened.

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Wrong. I could get LG to say some dumb **** and use that as a justification to dealbreak CR, but it wouldn't be justified.

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Originally Posted by Meep

If I make a deal with someone and then have to constantly worry about them breaking that deal, then their word is literally meaningless and the deal might as well have never existed.

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That's your problem. The risk is always there, no matter what. It's best to just assume everyone sticks to their deals and deal with it if they don't. This usually works fine

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Originally Posted by Meep

If my company signs a contract to provide a service in exchange for money, and halfway through the other party says 'you know what, on second thought, we're not going to pay you unless you also provide this other service that wasn't even in our original contract', We're going to immediately stop work and call our lawyer. I'm not just going to happily continue providing services with no expectation of being paid.

You don't bluff breaking a contract. That's how you get your ass sued.

Same principle should apply to diplomacy in-game.

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Don't compare a game with reality. You don't shoot someone IRL because they killed you in a game, right?

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Originally Posted by Meep

Because he posted logs on the forum Francis threatening to dealbreak them within three hours of their wave?

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Threatening to =! doing
Threatening is dumb and as you said yourself, "call their bluff every time", i.e. see if they put words to deeds.

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Originally Posted by pierniczek

That's how it looks, we were very land fat on thier land before they declared, they had all the economy and GC in fort so this is really obvious. The pendulum swings.
In harsh times I always advise the team not to look at the Kingdom Page and just complete the objectives.

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That is not how it looks, that is how it is, fait accompli

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Originally Posted by pierniczek

I'm not sure if you know but no kingdom competing for land would suggest giving away so many acres to the number 1 spot. That would be insane.
We had our motivates and we agreed to do this as a Kingdom composed out of 25 women and men.
We knew we'd get destroyed but we also knew that was our chance to actually hurt them as that Kingdom is usually 10-20 milion NW larger then us....

We at Jesters do what we want and are independant as shown in the big server "Alliance war" that took place I think 3 or 4 ages ago...

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You are so full of crap it's not even funny you owed the Spartans and now are blocking for them. BeachLords and Newbreed had a agreed war. You interfered and got basically double hostile for it. Who came to save you the Spartans did. You had a banner saying Bart make Utopia great again. Yes you are puppets of Barts and clearly blocked for them this age. Also I was informed you told my guys they had to play by your alliance's new rules and not former precedent set in the past. Now you claim there is no alliance, give me a break. Clear blocking move just like Spartans blocked FS last age.

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Originally Posted by handofthrawn

You are so full of crap it's not even funny you owed the Spartans and now are blocking for them. BeachLords and Newbreed had a agreed war. You interfered and got basically double hostile for it. Who came to save you the Spartans did. You had a banner saying Bart make Utopia great again. Yes you are puppets of Barts and clearly blocked for them this age. Also I was informed you told my guys they had to play by your alliance's new rules and not former precedent set in the past. Now you claim there is no alliance, give me a break. Clear blocking move just like Spartans blocked FS last age.

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We owe nothing to the Spartans. We made that banner last age for our own reasons and if you don't get irony then tough luck. We are in no alliance.

My Dad always told me that if I had nothing smart to say about a certain topic, it's best to say nothing or I'dmake an idiot out of myself.

You, sir, are an idiot.

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Originally Posted by Anri

That is not how it looks, that is how it is, fait accompli

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You are happy, we are happy, life is good. :)

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Originally Posted by Meep

Oh you know, when you threatened to dealbreak spartans if they made a CF deal with someone you were competing with, so they called your bluff and waved you as you deserved.

Threatening a dealbreak is equivalent to a dealbreak, and leaves you entirely at fault.

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you seem to know a lot about what was going on, based on 3 lines of a days long conversation between 2 ppl.. there are plenty lines in the very same convo i could take out of context, and claim spartans were planning to dodge emeriti by arranging farm/friendly wars or planning to get outside help against emeriti if it comes down to that and so on.. thats pretty stupid thing to do though, and doesnt achieve anything in the short run or the long run, other than giving ammunition to irrelevant haters like you..

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Originally Posted by protector

Threatening to =! doing
Threatening is dumb and as you said yourself, "call their bluff every time", i.e. see if they put words to deeds.

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[14:11, 30.4.2016] Bartheaven: so next time you wavea KD I wanted to war
[14:11, 30.4.2016]*Bartheaven:*I can DB?
[14:11, 30.4.2016]*Bartheaven:*that is your KD's logic?
[14:11, 30.4.2016]*Francis:*No you cant, you better not get intimidated by such threats though

a part from my convo with bart, where i supposedly threatened to dealbreak them..

Well.. how the war is going? I can report that after having bounce waved me two waves in a row in hostile, then using all this hits first wave to hit me even doing cqs for the guys with to low off.. they finally broke me.. :/

Its been a rough war for my province.

Attacks Suffered 90
Times Defeated 48
Total Land Lost in Combat 5748

Had 0 before teh war.

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Originally Posted by protector

Wrong. I could get LG to say some dumb **** and use that as a justification to dealbreak CR, but it wouldn't be justified.

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You're comparing the word of LG, a core clown fiesta member of CR, to the word of the leader of FS?

Are you even trying?

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That's your problem. The risk is always there, no matter what. It's best to just assume everyone sticks to their deals and deal with it if they don't. This usually works fine

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Actually, that's the person threatening a dealbreak's problem. It's best to just stick to your deals not threaten to break them, not to put up with people's bull**** because they're mad you're going to give their competition acres.

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Don't compare a game with reality. You don't shoot someone IRL because they killed you in a game, right?

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You don't appear to understand analogies.

You threaten to break an in-game deal, I'm going to take that to mean our deal is null and void.
You threaten to break an IRL contract, I'm going to take that to mean our contract is null and void.

You're really incredibly bad at this, go drink some coffee.

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Threatening to =! doing
Threatening is dumb and as you said yourself, "call their bluff every time", i.e. see if they put words to deeds.

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So do what, waste resources training up for something that may or may not happen? Don't waste resources training up and get your position in the age screwed over?

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Originally Posted by LoRD_SaMPuaN

[14:11, 30.4.2016] Bartheaven: so next time you wavea KD I wanted to war
[14:11, 30.4.2016]*Bartheaven:*I can DB?
[14:11, 30.4.2016]*Bartheaven:*that is your KD's logic?
[14:11, 30.4.2016]*Francis:*No you cant, you better not get intimidated by such threats though

a part from my convo with bart, where i supposedly threatened to dealbreak them..

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Maybe you shouldn't make those threats in the first place.

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Wrong. I could get LG to say some dumb **** and use that as a justification to dealbreak CR, but it wouldn't be justified.

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I don't know who LG is, but a more apt comparison would be Zauper saying dumb and **** and me acting on it (then again, Zauper doesn't say dumb ****, so still not a good comparison). FS is a known bully KD that uses any methods at their disposal to get what they want. Hell, the age before they threatened part of what is now YOUR KD with a DB if they legit waved FS' war target. Bullying works until it doesn't.

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That's your problem. The risk is always there, no matter what. It's best to just assume everyone sticks to their deals and deal with it if they don't. This usually works fine

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We don't have allies to rely on so that argument is silly.

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Originally Posted by handofthrawn

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/--5KDy65cwF...nald-trump.gif

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We were looking for a war and you simply gave us a good reason to get one. Jesters legit waved a KD they had noticed, which only after their notice tagged up WAR AGREED. You countered by going double-hostile.

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Originally Posted by LoRD_SaMPuaN

you seem to know a lot about what was going on, based on 3 lines of a days long conversation between 2 ppl.. there are plenty lines in the very same convo i could take out of context, and claim spartans were planning to dodge emeriti by arranging farm/friendly wars or planning to get outside help against emeriti if it comes down to that and so on.. thats pretty stupid thing to do though, and doesnt achieve anything in the short run or the long run, other than giving ammunition to irrelevant haters like you..

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No kingdom of mine has ever been accused of being a pain in the ass to deal with, or managed to make the news in some drama or another literally every single age for as long as I can remember.

Spoiler: When you're intrinsically involved in drama with some subset of the community literally every single age, the problem is you, not the rest of the entire server.

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Originally Posted by Meep

Spoiler: When you're intrinsically involved in drama with some subset of the community literally every single age, the problem is you, not the rest of the entire server.

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Agree 100%, unless it concerns Sparta, that's just a conspiracy by haters!

i like that there's like 4 conversations going on in there.

The elit/ASF chat about what happened 20 ages ago,
Bart and Jesters vs. Various PPL trying to convince them that they're not an alliance.
Meep and Bart vs. Sampaun+Protector about the DB(not db..?) last age.
and finally, the actual war.

Uto-Forums are so fun!

Actually the problem is comunity, or in this particular case you.
See how you managed to make us part of this even though we are neither involved nor relevant for the topic on hand.
You are consistently doing this.

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Originally Posted by Anri

That is not how it looks, that is how it is, fait accompli

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Sup Anri, how is it to be back from retirement?

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Originally Posted by vir

Well.. how the war is going? I can report that after having bounce waved me two waves in a row in hostile, then using all this hits first wave to hit me even doing cqs for the guys with to low off.. they finally broke me.. :/

Its been a rough war for my province.

Attacks Suffered 90
Times Defeated 48
Total Land Lost in Combat 5748

Had 0 before teh war.

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You got fed 30k soldiers according to the TB balance, to stop desertations. Great to watch but "in the end, it doesn't even matter...."

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Originally Posted by citadela01

Actually the problem is comunity, or in this particular case you.
See how you managed to make us part of this even though we are neither involved nor relevant for the topic on hand.
You are consistently doing this.

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A wise man once said: When you're intrinsically involved in drama with some subset of the community literally every single age, the problem is you, not the rest of the entire server.

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Originally Posted by Meep

Spoiler: When you're intrinsically involved in drama with some subset of the community literally every single age, the problem is you, not the rest of the entire server.

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when you know for a fact that you have good relations with most kds you have acquainted with, you dont mind much about what forum haters think about you, so lets agree to disagree here..

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Originally Posted by CannaWhoopazz

i like that there's like 4 conversations going on in there.

The elit/ASF chat about what happened 20 ages ago,
Bart and Jesters vs. Various PPL trying to convince them that they're not an alliance.
Meep and Bart vs. Sampaun+Protector about the DB(not db..?) last age.
and finally, the actual war.

Uto-Forums are so fun!

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that is what makes this thread soo odd ... but entertaining at the same time.

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Originally Posted by CannaWhoopazz

i like that there's like 4 conversations going on in there.

The elit/ASF chat about what happened 20 ages ago,
Bart and Jesters vs. Various PPL trying to convince them that they're not an alliance.
Meep and Bart vs. Sampaun+Protector about the DB(not db..?) last age.
and finally, the actual war.

Uto-Forums are so fun!

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war seems like its over already :p

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Originally Posted by LoRD_SaMPuaN

when you know for a fact that you have good relations with most kds you have acquainted with, you dont mind much about what forum haters think about you, so lets agree to disagree here..

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#meeppartoftheproblem
#meepdramabomb
#meepalwaysindrama

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Originally Posted by LoRD_SaMPuaN

when you know for a fact that you have good relations with most kds you have acquainted with, you dont mind much about what forum haters think about you, so lets agree to disagree here..

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Francis spinning lies:

http://share.gifyoutube.com/vWE3O4.gif

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Originally Posted by LoRD_SaMPuaN

war seems like its over already :p

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It was over before it even started. Alas it's just ghetto bashing so no surprise here.

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Originally Posted by LoRD_SaMPuaN

when you know for a fact that you have good relations with most kds you have acquainted with, you dont mind much about what forum haters think about you, so lets agree to disagree here..

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That's a good one. clap clap

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Originally Posted by LoRD_SaMPuaN

[14:11, 30.4.2016] Bartheaven: so next time you wavea KD I wanted to war
[14:11, 30.4.2016]*Bartheaven:*I can DB?
[14:11, 30.4.2016]*Bartheaven:*that is your KD's logic?
[14:11, 30.4.2016]*Francis:*No you cant, you better not get intimidated by such threats though

a part from my convo with bart, where i supposedly threatened to dealbreak them..

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Funny how Bart actually did DB Fluffy because they did a semi wave on his target kd to war last age. Funny how that also justified, from Bart pov, Fluffy's gangbang

Bart logic is he can DB when he wants and who cares about others