BIO vs ghettocats

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Originally Posted by Sheister

To me its the RK that crossed a line. Hits into wars happen all the time from people being idiots/assholes to having some reason whatever. To me, the RK though at this stage of the age is an abuse of the war condition that causes complete loss of all work put into the province for the age. Its just over the line. Also, you will note another difference between you getting hits from two provinces, verses a coordinated RK from a KD. There is a big difference there as well. In the one case you might label the provinces as scummy but not the KD. In the other, it is clearly an entire KD participant action.

Is monument scum? No, but I can understand the resentment for the hits and paying monument back in kind would be completely understandable. Moving on to RK would cross the line again. (to me).

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5 hits is enough that it is intentional and on the same level as RKing a dude in war.

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Originally Posted by Regular Joe

Tell me how many got killed? Simians can learn from this as they had mucho more problems with FTF ghetto than BiO with SillyCats

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Check how far behind bio has fallen. They have lost like 30k acres since this started :P Ghetto cats is pwning.

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Originally Posted by goodz

Check how far behind bio has fallen. They have lost like 30k acres since this started :P Ghetto cats is pwning.

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BIO lost it from give free wave rage. They was around 135-140k all time.
Its shame how none from both sides keep us updated what is going. Cats are turned now to regular top kd and don't post more in forum too.
None respond on my question. Second pked province from Cats was killed after they got WW. I'm wonder if he keep his war win books reward after reset his province or not.

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Originally Posted by goodz

5 hits is enough that it is intentional and on the same level as RKing a dude in war.

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What we were doing was figuring out this:

http://forums.utopia-game.com/showth...nt-Orc-Exploit

What we saw for the most part was we only took like 7-10 acres/hit and cause almost no casualties so.... sorry if it caused a major loss in wars. We apologized to anyone who spoke to us and we also promised to post our findings so that people would understand the problem. There was a reason for it and we did it in a way that minimized damage. There were a few cases where we were hitting the same province a few times to verify formula and verify the data we were getting.

Sometimes there are no good ways to figure things out except to do them. So, to the extent it cause a problem in the war, we are sorry, but it really should not have, in fact, it may have helped as it should have given GB protection I think (or a I wrong on that?)

How is it an exploit? You could make the same hit not in to a war and gain land and the same amount of credits. You guys are just retarded.

Further GBP in war is minimal. You didn't even post the attacks in your post. How is anyone supposed to deduce anything from this. An orc cleric hitting will gain the most credits/loss. Yes you gain more credits then you lose even without hospitals... Like wtf are you trying to prove. Absolute ghetto.

Undead train elites on attacks OOW is this another mechanic that encourages it? Its the same damn thing. how does it encourage bottom-feeding? The target has to be in NW range. I am going to hit you guys some.

Easy there goodz

The point was not to gain land but use that to pump existing acres goodz. This is akin to undead hitting out of wars to convert specs to elites. It also becomes insanely more efficient than a plunder, but to make it more efficient and prevent you from getting land fat, the ratios are best when hitting into wars and best when hitting from your own EoW CF. Moreover, as the article suggests, it is even better to bottom feed for it and, because there can be no relations and meters decay still over war period, it means there is really NOTHING that can be done back to you.....

This is some nasty stuff goodz. But if you don't see it as an exploit of the game mechanics and everything is fine, well......so be it.

But out of war, you would gain 100 acres (or there about) and then you would net (after losses) 400 credits so if you are on 1000 acres you get fatter and still need to train a lot of elites (1000 or more) the old fashioned way. Note that this method also allows massive overstocking of credits which will not show up in any intel reports so your oponant in war will be left stunned wondering how the heck you are able to train up all this land you are taking in.

We did not have to share any of this, we could have just sat there and abused it.......

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Originally Posted by Elitbg

BIO lost it from give free wave rage. They was around 135-140k all time.
Its shame how none from both sides keep us updated what is going. Cats are turned now to regular top kd and don't post more in forum too.
None respond on my question. Second pked province from Cats was killed after they got WW. I'm wonder if he keep his war win books reward after reset his province or not.

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They would be 160k+ if they were just dicing for the last while :P

I see it as something that will get you razekilled if you keep doing it.

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Originally Posted by Regular Joe

Simians can learn from this as they had mucho more problems with FTF ghetto than BiO with SillyCats

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Learn from what? We are t3. The only thing that is crap is that we are in a 1 vs 3 situation since all other KDs are behind.
It was a long time since i saw any Trollfag speak in here and they lost two wars and got hit after second war as well. They are pure losers in all kind of ways.
If they had been succesful Simians would not be pumping for EoA battle in the top. It would not have mattered if we were 10 or 30k acres bigger right now.
Situation would be the same.

Not sure what you are trying to say? We gonna learn to not pwn KDs to the ground when they **** around with us?

Dont tell us how to play <--

EDIT: Leave Simians out of this topic. If you want to talk about Simians you can make a new thread or keep it in our old threads. Simians is not with Inso or BiO if that is what you think. We just avoided each other cause absalom is OP if we dont. We also treat each other with respect. With that said Simians has not done Cats anything this age so leave us the **** out. If we would have wanted too we would have done same thing as BiO did. But we are still in the race to have some top fun for EoA.

C ya

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Originally Posted by Anri

Not sure what you are trying to say? We gonna learn to not pwn KDs to the ground when they happy around with us?

Dont tell us how to play <--

EDIT: With that said Simians has not done Cats anything this age so leave us the happy out.
C ya

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I think you can skipp **** and replace it with happy. Don't make sense every time but look better ;)

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Originally Posted by Anri

With that said Simians has not done Cats anything this age so leave us the **** out.

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He's right. Same as Abs, Simians is not taking part so no need to keep dragging those KDs into it. The reason why they don't participate is also not important. They didn't cros a line here, let them fight for he crown in peace!

I wish all crown contenders good luck!

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Originally Posted by Sheister

The point was not to gain land but use that to pump existing acres goodz. This is akin to undead hitting out of wars to convert specs to elites. It also becomes insanely more efficient than a plunder, but to make it more efficient and prevent you from getting land fat, the ratios are best when hitting into wars and best when hitting from your own EoW CF. Moreover, as the article suggests, it is even better to bottom feed for it and, because there can be no relations and meters decay still over war period, it means there is really NOTHING that can be done back to you.....

This is some nasty stuff goodz. But if you don't see it as an exploit of the game mechanics and everything is fine, well......so be it.

But out of war, you would gain 100 acres (or there about) and then you would net (after losses) 400 credits so if you are on 1000 acres you get fatter and still need to train a lot of elites (1000 or more) the old fashioned way. Note that this method also allows massive overstocking of credits which will not show up in any intel reports so your oponant in war will be left stunned wondering how the heck you are able to train up all this land you are taking in.

We did not have to share any of this, we could have just sat there and abused it.......

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This is still not useful.

1) hitting in/out of war is going to cause you issues. As it is pretty lame.
2) KD's will retaliate hits resulting in higher losses. To the point that you would be better off just pumping normally. An orc elite in fortified is quite affordable all age I have had no issues in 3-4 days fortified without plundering training up to 70%

Wouldn't it be easyier just to run cleric on ~0 defense and then suicide constantly to build up 1000's of elite credits? But I am yet to have a war where I can train my credits as soldiers is more of a problem anyway... so overall I find this very useless. It has been very obvious mechanic works like this pretty well the entire time it has existed very few problems have existed because of it. I can't imagine more are going to occur in the future.

It has been discussed before to attach credits to gains formula rather then the losses formula. Or to attach a -50% credits gains on hits into/from fortified but has not yet happened and I dont think it well...

Lets see what happens next time you declare war?

You offering goodz?

I would think the KD who you hit in war would simply hit into your war.