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Right, they lost honour before. What did they lose after they instigated the GB?Quote:
Originally Posted by protector
You dont have to.Quote:
Originally Posted by protector
Its a little more than that, its also a db. They also threatened to hit into our warQuote:
Originally Posted by protector
Yeah well, I think you predicted this would happen in the last awar. I kept my nose out of the forum in the beginning. But as things went on I felt I had an obligation to publicize FS play.Quote:
Originally Posted by Palem
The dam had already breached, I simply grabbed a boat.Quote:
Originally Posted by FS Best KD in the World
Well I do take it upon myself to try and keep the forums active, but I most certainly don't have a pro-FS/pro-bullying attitude. I've said it plenty of times that FS was far from clean in this whole thing. What I have said is I don't see a problem with the #1 honor kingdom waving the #2 honor kingdom. That's far from bullying. I made a post on page 1 saying people should talk things out.
*shrug*
Have a swirvey day.
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Originally Posted by Zauper
The point remains though that ED was wronged and got a ****ty deal out of it without many other options. When you've been double hostiled by an alliance them then not wanting to give honour from certain parties and not wanting them to be engaged in 1v1 conflicts shouldn't be a primary focus, quite how FS got a CF out of the deal when Parth wanted to crush them and the talks should have been focused on repaying ED for damages I don't know, but it was more a point towards Palms posts where the real outcome was FS got a CF while being pounded, ED didn't claim all the honour from BB and Pyro gained acres/honour, now if you blank out the KD names there who would you think got the best deals. Lets not forget that ED was in an active x2 hostile as well, while trying to sort a lot of this stuff out.
I've only seen Ruthless' monarch post here, I'd hardly call asking if you wanted to get revenge on someone an act of organising a GB otherwise you could find a bunch of reasons to have KDs razed just from these forums alone. Also when a "guilty" party comes out and says they were asked something, then explain their reasoning behind actions, it's likely that they're being truthful. Why would Ruthless be asked to GB FS, then be able to magically invent a great backstory and have already stated before the fact that they would get revenge if possible.
FS didn't offer ED a CF option, ED offered FS a CF option. FS could have walked away and found another war but spent 2 weeks razing a KD, ED offered and gave FS a CF.Quote:
Originally Posted by citadela01
Who sets the number of hits a KD gets to make? You think it's fine for FS to wave SS multiple times with no CF option, but it's BS for you to be waved then asked for extra? Is it also BS that CR asks for a percentage of land for CFs? What if they can't get the land in x number of waves are they out of line? Pretty sure Parth even offered you time to get into range of ED to war and you declined that, prefering to ask BB for help.
A **** tonne of land and honour? While bottom feeding? Tell me more about how you've invented this scenario of us gaining so much of FS that it' "propelled us up the charts", that's hilarious. I guess it's cool to reinvent the past.
You don't seem to grasp the point of my posting. It's got nothing to do with trying to gain something from last age, it's to highlight the hypocritical nature of FS and allies. You can dish things out but can't handle them happening to you.
Ermmm ... no ?Quote:
Originally Posted by FS Best KD in the World
After we waved you we offered you CF as long as you dont surpass 85% our honor and dont engage KD's we have eoacf with.
You were also told you can keep your honor until you find and finish your war so you can keep your bonuses since you claimed you dont intend to compete for honor crown and just needed those bonuses to war.
Logic behind terms was that you ARE the KD that tried to farm the honor crown away in FW 2 ages ago, so we wanted to prevent any shenanigans with you farming it to a KD we cant engage due to eoacf.
We even told you we were ok with you warring Divinity in particular (who you claimed you wanted to war) after Francis talked to Persian about it.
Markers actually AGREED to those terms but requested time for monarch to confirm it.
All this was happening BEFORE our 2nd wave on you.
After your side stalled and didnt confirm the deal Francis threahtned to wave you and you told us to proceed with 2nd wave but asked to hit your attackers for alleged landdrop you needed.
Clear case of stalling while you organized GB if you ask me even if I cant prove it.
After our 2nd wave you started retaling and we were both stuck in a retal war.
So yes, we DID offer you cf after one wave, one that adhered to all your requests, to allow you to war one last time before EOA with your honor bonuses w/o actually allowing you to compete with us for honor crown (something you were adamant you were not interested at all)
This is a not true.Quote:
Originally Posted by silverfox
FS offered ED cf and to walk away from war deal in exchange for a one wave. Parth told u to go **** ourself and to give you button if we have balls.
There was lot of balls talk in his msgs.
Oh right, you mean the part where after FS sat and did nothing & Parth messaged you saying to either engage or we'd consider war agreement invalid, while FS kept exploring provs?Quote:
Originally Posted by citadela01
Yeah that must be it, right before the part where Francis threatened to double hostile and/or make OOW hits into ED.
I'd forgotten about that to be fair, cheers for reminding me that it's ok for FS to make OOW hits on KDs as well, better add it to the list of bull**** (I guess Ruthless should have just said they were actually razing FS OOW because it was a "continuation of actions, which they're allowed to dictate how long they last for").
No, I mean the part where you were offered cf and backing away from deal in exchange for 1 wave, than and there, on the spot.Quote:
Originally Posted by silverfox
Rest was bollocks than, and its bollocks now.
Oh really, how considerate of FS to let us to keep our honor so we can war... when you just fully honor-raped our tms in your first wave, which rendered our proposed war impossible. We proposed not to compete for honor crown, yet FS would have none of it and wouldn't read out mails regarding CF. If you had propsed to take ~5k honor off our attackers when they had armies out, we would've come to a mutual agreement, but no... disregard all our mails on purpose and deliberately hitting our tms down. Next, you threaten to wave us, and give us the ultimatum of hits on our tms again or our army home attackers, and markers chose attackers to save our tms another wave (wow how considerate of FS!). So no, you did not offer us 1 wave then CF, you wanted more than the 2 waves you got and still wouldn't CF, as well as destroy any chance we had of being able to compete or war again for the rest of the age.Quote:
Originally Posted by citadela01
Your logic for the supposed FW is wrong on so many levels. Firstly, the majority of SS is newly formed and this is our first age together, including many of the council and have no idea what you are talking about. Secondly, we were dragged into it, like Feint and markers have posted many times already. So yes, even though you already had honor crown secured and we had a fight with Divinity planned (do you honestly think SS will gain much honor prepping for fight with Divinity while FS continues waving for honor daily), but FS decides to prevent any of this from happening.
Nice rant to slide into after you called me liar and was rebuked ?Quote:
Originally Posted by FS Best KD in the World
I notice you didnt disprove any of my claims.
We told you before and I will repeat it again so it sinks in. You were competing with us for honor crown so we waved you, its pretty simple.
You can say what you want about you not beeing old pharma but your actions disprove you.
You again resorted to foul play, and your partner in crimw was again Feint.
You can call us bullies all you want, but we didnt dealbroke you or engaged you in anything other than 1v1, your biggest complaint against us can be summed up we didnt treated you nice.
You on the other hand organized and participated in dealbreak and GB into war against us. You can play dumb about it all you want, evidence was overwhelming as was confirmed by neutral and respected 3rd party aka Zauper.
Nice story.Quote:
Originally Posted by citadela01
ED offered you a CF and it was refused, Francis never made a counter offer. Even after FS had hit ED for +20k acres and ~10k honour they refused the CF ED had offered.
Francis' threat to OOW hit ED and other hypocritical ****e from FS about whats they're allowed to consider a war or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zauper
Here's a question, I have logs/quotes, how much crap do you want to talk before just start posting them as counter points?
citadela I love you too. Thank you for making clear that I am nothing like Feint :) I am sure both him and me appreciate that you can keep us apart.
let me explain the taskforce to you one more time real slow so you can understand it too. The taskforce did NOT hit FS nor are they planning to. The taskforce isn't planning to hit anyone if they can help it. It's a place where kingdoms not in the top 10 or 20 can go to get some advice and in bad cases help, such when a rogue recruit threatens to take over the kingdom, or some kingdom razekills a bunch of provinces to make a specific person monarch against the will of the kingdom. Stuff that the top can't take care of cause one they are busy and two they are too far out of range should something actually need doing.
Palem I agree. All I wanted initially was just to not be used as an excuse for FS average opponent size, and to correct a false statement. A simple "I'm sorry, won't happen again" would have done. But FS was too proud to admit they did something wrong.
But in retrospect I am kind of glad. I really thought our situation was a single incident, more of a random hit that was retalled because I was out of town and then followed by a misunderstanding , resulting in a war, that started at unfair advantage but ended up being fun and we still walked away with gains.
Now we all know better. This happens all the time. And every time they paint it like it was either someone else's fault or it was miscommunication amongst them or whatever excuse they can come up with at the time.
Even our war last age(no complaints we beat ourselves that war) the first message I got from Francis was, hey, sorry was out of town for a few days and just got back. He didn't need an excuse for that war, but looking back now I wonder if that was true or just a safety net just in case. Which is sad cause, you can ask anyone in my kingdom, I respected Francis a lot. Or you can look at the Respect thread in the beginning.
Threatening with something is not the same as doing it.Quote:
Originally Posted by silverfox
You offered blank cf and refused us wave we asked in return.
Sadly i dont have logs any more, I would need to dig through endless forum pages to find old posts provided they even survived forum wipe.
No, actually I just rebuked all your claims. Also wrong, we specifically said we were not competing for honor crown, but you still waved us after ignoring our pms. Another lie, the only one foul playing was FS who called in their allies after only 4 players from ruthless hit FS in the first 13h of war, and your so called allies claim they had time to "analyze concrete evidence" when there really is none to be had. Simple fact of the matter is, everyone razing FS hates FS and wants a piece of you when you were most vulnerable, but FS can't have any of that and call in 4 of their allies to start their organized raze vs SS only 7 hours after war declare, rather than you know against those KDs doing the razing, and at the same time fabricating a plan that said SS was the mastermind behind all this and these kds were taking part in this organized gb on direct order from SS! Such quick thinking I have to admit, I applaud you on that. Also feint hates us, he just hates FS more. He just does what he does best and you of all people should know by now.Quote:
Originally Posted by citadela01
No our biggest complaint was FS ****played us, got hit by other KDs who also got ****played by FS, decided to accuse SS and start their witchhunt alliance in an organized razing of SS. Also, I already debunked all your evidence your "respected" Zauper provided, so if that's the best you've got, then it just paints you in a worse light. But really, so be it. We understand SS can't do anything about it even though they are innocent, since they got no allies unlike FS who can call in an alliance and raze anyone who they don't like without facing any consequence.
You failed to adress my claims, let alone rebuke them.Quote:
Originally Posted by FS Best KD in the World
You claimed you were not offered offered CF after 1 wave, I presented you with offered CF and terms you seemingly agreed to before resorting to GB.
You going on about how we waved you in the first place has no relevance in that argument.
You falling back to same old "we had nothing to do with it" has no relevance to the argument.
You claim innocence, just like you did 2 ages ago.
Personally I gave you benefit of the doubt back than, FS had nothing with you geting deleted, it was Bishop who passed the judgement.
Now we are in similar situation again, this time I dont give you benefit of the doubt.
There has been plenty evidence about your wrongdoings, and part that wasnt made public (and is unknown to me as well) is vouched for by respected neutral parties.
You can put quotation mark on respected part all you like, you will be hard pressed to find more impartial and respected 3rd party. In this community its as good as it gets.
But feel free keep playing dumb. You only strengthen our case.
Now if youll excuse me its nn time for me