Suicide Squad VS FReakstyle

actually, ill do it myself cos im sure mirana would twist it somehow to her liking - here are our wars for those interested in how we bashed ghettoes to our 7/7 result:

1- i dont remember first war, if anybody can dig this up ill add here
2- she escalated quickly - arranged war, should be on very similar size
3- lost souls - they gave us button & we declared by dropping our nw, they were %75 our nw on declaration
4- settlers - they waved us while they were 1-1.5m nw bigger than us, we declared quickly & win
5- ascension - arranged war, ~1 week prep time, we prepped better but im not sure what was the starting nw comparison
6- green - arranged war, ~1 week prep time, we prepped much better and started with 1-2m more nw
7- suicide squad - they maxed meter into war counting on their gb, but it backfired, they were like %60 our nw, but im not sure

yeah, that is our hall of 'shame'..

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Originally Posted by LoRD_SaMPuaN

actually, ill do it myself cos im sure mirana would twist it somehow to her liking - here are our wars for those interested in how we bashed ghettoes to our 7/7 result:

1- i dont remember first war, if anybody can dig this up ill add here
2- she escalated quickly - arranged war, should be on very similar size
3- lost souls - they gave us button & we declared by dropping our nw, they were %75 our nw on declaration
4- settlers - they waved us while they were 1-1.5m nw bigger than us, we declared quickly & win
5- ascension - arranged war, ~1 week prep time, we prepped better but im not sure what was the starting nw comparison
6- green - arranged war, ~1 week prep time, we prepped much better and started with 1-2m more nw
7- suicide squad - they maxed meter into war counting on their gb, but it backfired, they were like %60 our nw, but im not sure

yeah, that is our hall of 'shame'..

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boooo!!

Average oponent size dont mean ****, other factors decide how challanging a war is.
Anyone who fails to grasp this fails at utopia.

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Originally Posted by LoRD_SaMPuaN

actually, ill do it myself cos im sure mirana would twist it somehow to her liking - here are our wars for those interested in how we bashed ghettoes to our 7/7 result:

1- i dont remember first war, if anybody can dig this up ill add here
2- she escalated quickly - arranged war, should be on very similar size
3- lost souls - they gave us button & we declared by dropping our nw, they were %75 our nw on declaration
4- settlers - they waved us while they were 1-1.5m nw bigger than us, we declared quickly & win
5- ascension - arranged war, ~1 week prep time, we prepped better but im not sure what was the starting nw comparison
6- green - arranged war, ~1 week prep time, we prepped much better and started with 1-2m more nw
7- suicide squad - they maxed meter into war counting on their gb, but it backfired, they were like %60 our nw, but im not sure

yeah, that is our hall of 'shame'..

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Just two farm wars out of 7 ain't that bad :)

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Originally Posted by citadela01

Average oponent size dont mean ****, other factors decide how challanging a war is.
Anyone who fails to grasp this fails at utopia.

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Actually it does. The prep time wars indicate this as your assessment of opponent size. Your statement in a vacuum stands if we believe the opponent size was land fat. That's not a reliable factor. Your prep time diplomatically navigated wars are what I believe leads to your 89% opponent size score.

Respectfully.

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Originally Posted by Jonmeister

Goodwitch you are so funny. You know very well FS runs elves. You still dont understand why we have them?
Why do I and texn need to repeat this. We dont see Darkelves when we choose race at the start of the round so we take the thing thats closest to it(by name).. Elves are like Vikings. Best and unbeatable.. FS doesnt need to send elves out as our uds do(did) the trick anyways..
And I want to thank you for your arranged GB. Its fun to see 5-6 day old avian babies to grow up and become dukes(few pts from Prince). We couldnt managed to do it without your GB. Funniest thing I have ever seen in this game.

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This +1000. Jon my man!

The point is that even with arranged wars where both kd's are to have a set acreage (which both kingdoms adhered to) FS still gets put in a bad light due to "relative KD NW". We had a set war with Ascension and a set War with Green, both kd's started war with the same acres as us and a week or so prep time. Both kd's started the war about 90-95% of our size if i recall. That doesnt mean we ghetto bash, that just means we prepared harder and deep drafted more. An important thing to note and I mean VERY important is that Undead leets are very networth inefficient, so when we pump ourselves to 17 elites per acre, and have a horse for every one of those elites (razing those stables later for other buildings) then yes, we are going to be very NW inflated (most of our undeads were 230-240 NWPA at the start of both of those wars before getting hit at all.

Yes we had a war with Lost Souls that wasn't meant to be a war, but due to the way things played out we were forced to war them. We even told them in war forums that it was unfortunate it had to play out like that... we didnt have fun doing the war, but it had to be done. That war put our relative KD NW back pretty heavily.

We actually recovered from it pretty well with the war with Settlers, since they were like 10%-15% bigger than us if i recall, so we actually ended up back around the 95-100% relative kd nw.

We then prepped harder in the arranged wars with ascension/green which put us around 93% relative kd nw. Then this unfortunate SS war.

So basically the two wars that put us at a bad relative kd nw were Lost Souls and SS. Both decided they would rather start a retal war rather than do diplomacy and complete the diplomacy. That is their prerogative to do, but they have to live with the repercussions, and not pretend that the ball was not completely in their court during those negotiations.

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Originally Posted by markers

Stare not on me, thou ghastly Power! Nor, grim with chained defiance, lour: No Babel-structure would I build Where, order exil’d from his native sway, Confusion may the REGENT-sceptre wield, While all would rule and none obey: Go, to the world of man relate The story of thy sad, eventful fate; And call presumptuous Hope to hear And bid him check his blind career; And tell the sore-prest sons of Care, Never, never to despair! Paint Charles’ speed on wings of fire, The object of his fond desire, Beyond his boldest hopes, at hand: Paint all the triumph of the Portland Band; Mark how they lift the joy-exulting voice, And how their num’rous creditors rejoice; But just as hopes to warm enjoyment rise, Cry CONVALESCENCE! and the vision flies.

(Sounds like excuses from ascension)

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There is no game. None of this is real. We are all a simulation of a simulation playing out our own created simulations.

I am in Leadership within FS, so regarding the accusations of the Loiso/Francis Monarchy deal... It is tough because Loiso is the Founder, and is still the overall monarch of FS. Francis is in charge of diplomacy. This means that yes Loiso (who was monarch all age) is the monarch because he runs the kingdoms and is in charge of the Leadership Team of FS, but then as part of that Leadership team Francis is delegated to do diplomacy and other war related tasks.

I agree that it is confusing to message us if you arent in a kingdom who knows this. I have also submitted a request that for next age whoever is in charge of diplomacy will also be the in-game monarch. Hopefully this will be done so that confusion doesnt take place. I know any time I personally was messaged in a diplomatic way (when i was steward for some of the age) I would respond back as soon as I read the mail and tell them to please message "XXXX(Francis/Sampuan" for any diplomacy related messages.

The other thing I just want to mention is that this whole "bullying" thing. Bullying in Utopia is frowned upon but not an actionable offense. Also, doing 1 wave (or more while other kd stalls diplomacy) against provinces that are within 110% relative NW of your provinces is not bullying, and it is not bottom feeding. Those are legit hits.

Now in my eyes bullying is when you hit into a kingdom that is much too small to consider warring you, and they do not hit back and say something like "OK you got your wave in, can we please CF and move on" and then your kingdom says, "nope we are going to just keep waving you until you retaliate or take it to war". Hitting a kingdom, then opening up diplomacy to end the conflict is not bullying.

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Originally Posted by Goodwitch

There are very very few people in Utopia that will say I am not nice.

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Oh hey! I'm a rare utopian? You are NOT nice. You crow and crow and are blinded by your hate. I'm gonna go with: my experience with you hasn't been pleasant from the get go. Francis was so nice to you, and we're still here, you're still spewing venom after your witch hunt failed.

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Originally Posted by yuuume

Oh hey! I'm a rare utopian? You are NOT nice. You crow and crow and are blinded by your hate. I'm gonna go with: my experience with you hasn't been pleasant from the get go. Francis was so nice to you, and we're still here, you're still spewing venom after your witch hunt failed.

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It didnt failed yume, it ensured FS wins honor/ww.
She succesfully screwed over our entire competition.

Props to goodwitch, biggest ally FS has.

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Originally Posted by citadela01

It didnt failed yume, it ensured FS wins honor/ww.
She succesfully screwed over our entire competition.

Props to goodwitch, biggest ally FS has.

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disagree, that is markers.. we are getting one more crown than we normally would, whenever he tries some shenanigans against us..

This is by far the biggest fake war cover up thread i've seen yet :)

This; http://youtu.be/9QS0q3mGPGg

I havent followed the drama but Freeakstyle....hmm old CSB kingdom if I recall and one of the best war kingdoms ever.
Congrats to Crowns....smart play.....like Svea couple of ages ago.
But next age my new kingdom will get you and everyone else :-)
Long live CSB