Wait so this "Strippers" kingdom IS Debauchery? If so, this all makes complete sense cuz I knew Debauchery to be a scummy kingdom before I stepped into this conversation. Raze away!
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Wait so this "Strippers" kingdom IS Debauchery? If so, this all makes complete sense cuz I knew Debauchery to be a scummy kingdom before I stepped into this conversation. Raze away!
Now tell me what's a mother to do?
Bein' real don't appeal to the brother in you.
You gotta operate the easy way.
"I made a G today," But you made it in a sleazy way.
Sellin' crack to the kids... "I gotta get paid,"
Well, hey... well that's the way it is.
council members come and go like players, fact is strippers has the same core players, same leader and are using the same underhanded tactics, its the same kd. A few players were smart enough to leave and hide past actions under better kds doesnt change the core of what strippers was last age and continues to do this age.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArcDurath
u guys did not fight my kd 2-3 ages ago when we were 101% your size because we had 2 unbreakable to your 2, couldnt fight a match on even grounds. Fact that you guys only fought (when u say fight u imply u still exist or is that a lie?) kds u were 99.9% sure you could beat is the exact reason you lost, some kds are (were?) simply better.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArcDurath
who cares if they suck this age too, you treat the kds you war w/respect, dont have outside kds raze you to stay small, op into others people cf and you wont get kds angry at you.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArcDurath
Yea they retagged this age to hide from ED who said u guys were @#$@#$ last age welcome to how we do things.Quote:
Originally Posted by DHaran
Sigh, no one readsQuote:
Originally Posted by Persain
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Originally Posted by SillyRabbit
Indeed.Quote:
Originally Posted by SillyRabbit
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Originally Posted by BruceLee
I feel compelled to point out that our strategy seems to be working.Quote:
Originally Posted by SillyRabbit
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Originally Posted by BruceLee
Bold mine.Quote:
Originally Posted by SillyRabbit
You'll notice how you and brucelee refer to your kingdom as strippers for weeks during this age? So are we. Frankly, one player leaving doesn't change what people are going to refer to your kingdom as. Deal with it. Same core, same name.
Also notice the tense. Present tense, implying that you still exist. "We shared tips..." would be an example of something you'd say about a kingdom that once existed / you once played in.
I read, i herd what you said and you can tell yourself whatever you want, eitherQuote:
Originally Posted by SillyRabbit
your the same kd with a new tag orQuote:
Originally Posted by SillyRabbit
your a "new" kd with most of the same players, the same leaders and the same dirty playstyle.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArcDurath
Either way calling you strippers represents who u are, attempts to avoid this
and my description of you "hiding" is probably the more accurate one.Quote:
Originally Posted by DHaran
Now you are arguing semantics? We still exist, whether we are called Strippers or Debauchery. We still continue to share tips, regardless of our current kd name. But you guys are welcome to call us whatever you like though, we are easy going :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Zauper
ED you cant expect others to bend to your whims. You created a stir based on your ideals of unethical land dropping. You justified your actions to PK us and claim you are doing the Utopian Community a favour? Subjective aint it.
We merely seek level grounds for one of our provinces raze killed in a wave by the "Sheriffs of Utopia." Personally i dont condone acts of interference into another kd's war. Neither do strippers requested for aid from us. Zauper was razekilled by my kdmates who got pretty turned off that ED raze killed another province of a kd in similar fashion as ED did us. It was just a case of us getting even and seeking justification for your actions.
You seriously cant expect us to continue offering the other cheek now do u?
So instead of doing it like real men, you do it like a bunch of cowards. If you were looking for justification for their actions im sure you have had plenty of time to raze kill a province in ED, oh wait but then they wouldnt been in war and would have fought back against you.Quote:
Originally Posted by SneakySeth
Getting even? You mean being cowards and hitting them when they can't hit back. I can't believe how many scummy ghettos are out there pulling this ****.Quote:
Originally Posted by SneakySeth
Edit: err, guess I should have continued reading, cuz Korp already said everything I wanted to say!
my kd would, we made a pretty big spectacle last age of NW dropping to war a kd at 8 million nw when we were 17 million nw that hit us hostile (yet keeping land and chart rankings). We got our banks hit into that war for that, it ruined long term plans. Yet we responded with a war, not interfering in that kd's next fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by SneakySeth
So, when you compare that to:
and responding with a raze kill and at least percieved collusion with a kd known for ditry play i'd say u way crossed the line.Quote:
Originally Posted by Parth
There is no honour among thieves. If you want to be sure not to be raze killed during your wars, you shouldn't raze kill anyone else yourself. Trying to justify raze killing a player when ur kd is larger than the others (both OOW) is just as bad as being raze killed during war. Unsullied have been a smaller kd than ED all age, undeserving of the punishment that the 'ED utopia police' dished out. They waited for a chance to strike you back when it hurts. Maybe you will learn to not razekill in the future, or maybe you will keep doing it. If you do continue, im sure Unsullied won't be the only kd razing back into you.
Consider this hypothetical scenario:
We are 6m NW. Ask a 5m NW kd to war. Sure they are in declare range, but it would clearly be a suicide mission to accept a war. Is it fair for us to razekill their prov(s) just because they don't want to enter a war with 0% chance of winning? And if we did razekill the smaller kd, I would certainly expect them to find some way to retaliate. Maybe they spend weeks growing to be larger than us and raze us back. Maybe they wait to raze us in a time it would hurt us most (as in, when we are in war).
In any case, majority of kds in the server nowadays will just finish their wave, accept a cf and move on. But ED thinks that they are entitled to war any kd they choose, and if they decline you suffer the punishment of a raze kill. How many other kds play by these standards? More importantly, how many kds in the server are OK with the way ED is choosing to play? Now I'm not saying the NW difference between ED and Unsullied was that substantial at the time, but I am wondering (among all other kds out there), how many of you will fight a war with <50% chance of winning? In general, a kd will only go to war with another if they think they have a shot at winning. Look at Mothers Advice and Sanc playing the waiting game, neither kd wants to give relations/button for fear of being at a large disadvantage. I'm sure we have all received many CFs and sent out many CFs before when the strength of your kd and the target's just don't match up. How many kds can you name that will declare war with only a 10% chance of winning? I can't think of any (well, besides us in this scenario).
And to respond to the land dropping post by JONCY, yup you have the news of us having some oversized attackers knocked down. But keep in mind we took maybe 400-600 acres off our kd, hardly putting us out of range of anyone. You are making it sound like we drop from 40k to 30k acres (which is what was happening all among the server before the intra-raze destroyed honour)
I can understand why it might look like we put Unsullied up to it. Although after all the recent developments with Unsullied even admitting they wanted revenge on their accord, I can't believe blame is still being pointed at us.Quote:
Originally Posted by Persain
Also, other than some EoW gold stealing from provs who hadn't trained thieves, how exactly have we played dirty?
The focus here aint even abt how the act of razekilling is being delivered; in a Glorious way or Cowardly way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Korp
Our point is simple: No matter how hard u try to justify a Razekill.. it is unethical.
Ummm, no, raze killing itself is not unethical. Razing into a war is unethical.Quote:
Originally Posted by SneakySeth
1) This sounds like you're trying to say you have no issues with attacks into war. Does that mean you want the kingdoms we've asked to not RK your provs to do so? Because I suspect they'd be happy to.Quote:
Originally Posted by SillyRabbit
2) Land dropping is lame and unethical. It has been accepted in the past that razekilling LDs is a valid response. You are allowed to disagree, that doesn't make you right, and it doesn't justify hitting into war.
Interfering in a 1v1 is completely different from attacking another kd. As for 'being a bigger kingdom', we were about 5% larger than them. OH SO SCARY.
This isn't what happened, so it's an irrelevant scenario. It's also not why we killed their prov.Quote:
Consider this hypothetical scenario:
We are 6m NW. Ask a 5m NW kd to war. Sure they are in declare range, but it would clearly be a suicide mission to accept a war. Is it fair for us to razekill their prov(s) just because they don't want to enter a war with 0% chance of winning?
I would expect them to strike back in a 1v1 situation. Bringing in other kds is unethical.Quote:
And if we did razekill the smaller kd, I would certainly expect them to find some way to retaliate. Maybe they spend weeks growing to be larger than us and raze us back. Maybe they wait to raze us in a time it would hurt us most (as in, when we are in war).
When they are looking for a war only, this is true. But if you follow the top, you'll find it's not the case because that's not the only thing they do.Quote:
In any case, majority of kds in the server nowadays will just finish their wave, accept a cf and move on.
This is false. A number of kds have turned us down for wars this age, and only two have been RK'd. One for land-dropping, and the other because we have a grudge.Quote:
But ED thinks that they are entitled to war any kd they choose, and if they decline you suffer the punishment of a raze kill.
The vast majority seem to support us, so there you go.Quote:
How many other kds play by these standards? More importantly, how many kds in the server are OK with the way ED is choosing to play?
There are plenty of anecdotal reasons to think that you might have been involved:Quote:
I can understand why it might look like we put Unsullied up to it. Although after all the recent developments with Unsullied even admitting they wanted revenge on their accord, I can't believe blame is still being pointed at us.
1) You refused to even read (let alone respond to) the ingame msg to you asking about it.
2) You chained me further than you had chained any other prov in our kd in spite of ~equal defense.
3) Choosing to chain me in the first place (let's be honest -- picking a chain target as one of the smaller provs in an enemy kd is a weird decision)
1) You've land dropped. 'Oh, we only dropped a little' is a hilarious justification for land dropping btw. It's also interesting how the story has changed from 'oh it was only one hit' to 'it was only a few hundred acres'Quote:
Also, other than some EoW gold stealing from provs who hadn't trained thieves, how exactly have we played dirty?
2) EOW gold stealing
3) You attack/declare war on kds after they offer you a CF!!!! (according to you earlier, this isn't ethical)
4) We're not particularly accusing you of playing dirty. We merely said we have a grudge and are getting even.
Remind me how this relates to anything. The kd LIARS hit us to hostile. We set a declare date. They must have known a stomping was coming, because they sent a CF hoping we wouldn't declare. Oops, I guess we pressed the wrong button.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zauper
In our situation, you guys hit us to hostile. And we sent you the CF. Can you really not tell the difference?
It sure is, razing kill a prov just for the fun of it when the kingdom isnt in war is perfectly fine. A bit douchey maybe but still perfectly fine while raze killing someone whos in a war is unethical and cowardly. But I guess you shouldnt count much from people that landdrop, those kind of kingdoms tend to lack any kind of balls anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by SneakySeth
Just like you i dont condone hitting into another's war. Neither do I condone Razekilling. What is ethical or not is subjective. Wars/Conflicts occur due to differences in opinions and to those who seek justification for whatever reasons.Quote:
Originally Posted by DHaran
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Originally Posted by Korp
Lol a bit douchey but still perfectly fine? Wow! How pompous once again.
There doesnt need to be anything else, oping into someones eowcf, is pretty bad...enough to get talked about in a negative light. As to everything else i can go through my irc logs but off the top of my head i can think ofQuote:
Originally Posted by SillyRabbit
1. EOWCF oping
2. Agreeing to let someone prep for war then attacking them (w/ops)
3. Refusing to fight kds you know have a chance to beat you...turning down the kd 95% your size to wave a kd 85% your size (getting farmed by SPGC before they taged doesn't mean you war kds that can beat you)
4. Land dropping to ghetto bash
5. Taunting said ghettoes
6. Waving kds for science that are 80% your size for 2+days
7. Agreeing to a cf then breaking it to hit again (also known as using a cf to reset the hostile meter)
8. Generally being nastly/arrogant to those around you...untill u know they can beat you then u run away scared
Do i need to list more and give specfic examples via irc when my kd said hey look whats strippers did to a another kd? or forum posts/in game msgs you guys have said.
edit
Back then alot of war kds at the time would take the top 1-2 attackers and bring them down to the kd core, while growing chains, you'd end up going from 40k acres to 39-41k acres just resizeing your kd. Strippers however did drop from 40k->30k quite often. Even back then among the war kds this was seen as low, done just to prey on semi-active kds.Quote:
Originally Posted by SillyRabbit
You said 'most kds accept a CF and move on' You were offered a CF and took it to war instead. Can you really not tell the difference between your words and your actions?Quote:
Originally Posted by SillyRabbit
Yes, the context is slightly different but it's irrelevant: Offering a CF does not force the other kingdom to accept your CF. They can continue to hit you. They can declare war on you if they have that option, as well. Both are accepted and acceptable responses to a CF offer. If the goal of the hitting kingdom is solely 'a war with anyone', they will move on because you have made your intentions clear. Also, lol@#6 on Persain's list above, since that's exactly what we did to you that made you so sad.
We made our intentions clear -- we wanted you to man up.
SneakySeth: 1v1 and not 1v1 are two completely different connotations. If you can't see that, I'm afraid you can't be helped. And if you think Korp is pompous, go attack him. He's in SPGC.
You can dislike RKing, that's your decision. If you didn't like getting RKed, then RK right back, but do it in a fair fight. Don't hide behind someone else's skirts and do your dirty work then. Nothing you say will justify such a **** play.Quote:
Originally Posted by SneakySeth
What happens when people decide to start raze killing your people in war? Because honestly, this community can and has taken a stand against interfering in 1v1 situations before.Quote:
Originally Posted by SneakySeth
1) seems to be the only truthful comment, which we have admitted to on several occasions. The rest is just speculation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Persain
You obviously are still getting things mixed up. Liars gave us hostile. Why would we accept their CF when we could declare and win? If the situation was reversed, and we sent them the CF, I would expect them to sign it and move on. Or if we gave them hostile, and they sent us CF we would sign it and move on. Or are you referring to this war, where we sent you a CF and you choose to continue attacking for 4 days? CF was withdrawn 2 days before we declared, so you have no argument there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zauper
Uhm, during every post war CF this age we have sent out mass messages to every kd ranked higher than us up to 20 spots in the charts. We war any of those kds who agree to war us. Last age we warred SPGC this way, before they had tagged. We still don't know which kds we've warred this age, whether they classify as 'ghetto' or not by your criteria. Why would we care anyway? We want quick wars and will war anyone who agrees to war us.Quote:
Originally Posted by Persain
Let us just be clear here, Evil Dragons aren't some "utopia police" nor do we want to play the role of policing the game. What we do have however is our beliefs of what is considered fair and what is unacceptable, we're also not perfect and we have some players who should engage their brains for longer before they engage their mouths at times, however they are our players and we live with their actions.
The conflict with Strippers is very simple, we were under prepared and messaged multiple kingdoms to ask it they would be interested in a war of which Strippers decided to turn "are you interested in a min time war, where whoever is down on land surrenders, let us know?" into "come and steal from us in EoWCF". Where peoples opinion on Strippers actions stand are their own decision to make, I feel that it was a d**k move to not have the courtesy of replying before doing ops but equally many would consider it smart.
As for our loss to Strippers, I have no issue with it, I said we should stand by our word and surrender despite some who wanted to drag the war to EoA which was only a few days away, most of us felt Strippers wouldn't have surrendered if the roles were reversed but that is not a reason to break our own agreements, most of us can remember when a KD's word actually meant something over the ages.
Besides the fact many of us felt Strippers were jerks stealing into EoWCF (a sentiment which it appears many KD's also share both openly in this thread and in private) there was the message from Strippers monarch about how we should surrender early, which at best was foolishly worded and did get a reaction of one of our players telling Strippers they sucked in the forums. This however isn't pre-school where you get to argue over "who started it", rightly or wrongly the issue arose from Strippers message to us and was continued by multiple provinces from Strippers telling ED that they were trash and how they would beat them next age, again I'm not going to say ED players did not reply in kind however if Strippers chose not to take issue with what was said then this is their prerogative just as it is ours.
Fast forward a few weeks, Strippers is now Debauchery and has changed some players, the core of the KD who stole from us and who stand by the players who flamed us are still there just because you rebrand your KD does not absolve you of the past, however even trying to go down that route is foolish considering Debauchery players have called out ED in this thread, this age. You called us and we came, that's not to say that all of Debauchery's players are idiots I've read some rational and reasoned conversations from some of them, it does not change the number of them who openly challenged ED.
To our actions this age, you were within NW range of us we are within our right to wave you. We didn't go crying when we got hit 5 times in retal for one hit by a KD 120% of our size, we took them to war as we gave you the option to do to us. However you refused, hiding behind tired excuses of not being prepared despite only ~8% NW gap ~4% land gap and 10 NWA difference, wanting us to cancel our paid for dragon and provide you with 4 full days of pumping (ontop of the 3 you'd had in EoWCF before we targeted you).
Debauchery chose instead to take those hits and do nothing, it is reasonable to assume that as #2 honour then Debauchery had an eye on taking #1 for this age hence as we cannot remove their war wins we decided to remove their honour, especially as ED was also ranked ~#7 at the time. Since you cannot effectively honour farm OOW taking ~70 max per TM we decided to raze and remove their honour, I see nothing at all wrong with hitting another KD to secure a higher position in charts, they refused to give us a war which we might win and they refused to give us another viable way to take their honour (along with pushing the button being an effective way to totally end any raze kill activity).
It amazes me how Debauchery look to play the bullied party, we came for a 1v1 fight and you attempted diplomacy which included allowing us to raze kill a province of your choice if we moved on. Your diplomacy failed as your terms were not satisfactory, just because you throw up a CF does not mean that it needs to be accepted. You're not some KD half our size, you had 1 province less than us and a slight size disadvantage everything which happened after our wave was your choice to let happen.
For our dealings with The Unsullied, we asked them if they wanted a war and got the following message:
Recipient King Enrage Those Nips the Blessed of Love is Grand ()
Subject Re:hi sailor!
I'll talk it over with my peeps and let you know. Tentatively yes though ;)
But maybe in 2 days.
We then get 3rd parties coming and asking us to stop hits on them, they were also razed by outside KDs to land drop during this time and then eventually played the "you're too big for us" card. So after we wasted our time waiting for a KD to decide if they wanted to war us while land dropping then decide we're too big we weren't overly happy. Throw in the fact that we offered to defect out a province so we'd have one less player and drop our NW ~200k but them still refuse because we had started a dragon then we decided to act.
Again, I fail to see the problem with us razing them, they were extremely close to our size and could well have chosen to defend their province by attacking us back or even taking us to war. But instead they chose to sit back and let us kill one of their provinces, this isn't some 50 mil NW KD bullying a 2 mil NW KD here, these are supposed to be "war KDs" yet the second they don't have an advantage or feel they might lose they just run away. Personally I like the concept of razes and believe it's something that needs to be played with more, it apparently pee's some people off no end to be killed in a game and it forces a kingdoms hand, they can lose a province or they can protect them via war maybe it's time for a new meta game to war KDs?
At the end of the day, I think ED fully expected that we'd get "paid back" for raze killing a province and I personally have no problem with that at all. All that has been achieved here is that The Unsullied and Debauchery have shown utopia exactly how pathetic they are. Of course we're all well aware that there are idiots in both of those KDs who are at home in the xbox live generation of hooting and whooping about how amazing OOW razing a KD is but the reality to those not blinded by stupidity is that both of you will run from fights and are easy to power play. Maybe next time you want to claim you had nothing to do with assisting Debauchery you might not want to be caught helping land drop and having people with ops in each others channels to scratch the surface.
Part of me would have loved nothing more than seeing Debauchery's land def provinces all dead now, but maybe I'm just getting old and bitter these days as I seem to take more pleasure in watching them capitulate against us alone.
Hence why thousands of players stopped playing the game...Quote:
Originally Posted by DHaran
Yes, that is correct. But I guess since you picked the cowards path (probably cause you wouldnt be able to pull it off otherwise) there is no further point to discuss this.Quote:
Originally Posted by SneakySeth
Sure, that's why... games like WoW and CoD and the fact that the player base 'grew up' and decided to live their life had absolutely NOTHING to do with it right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Megafusion
We are ok if those sort of people quit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Megafusion
I didnt know that WOW and CoD are both strategy games.Quote:
Originally Posted by flutterby
Maybe you're playing some kind of Japanese version.
One of the reasons why people left was because there were people just pking others for fun.
Sure people left to play other games because there was no "fun" for them. The same concept applies in many online games where you grow grow and then somebody bigger than you just clashes and clashes at you despite doing everything to stop them.
I realize they gave you hostile. You're missing my point. My point is, they offered you a CF. In prior posts, you have indicated that when offered a CF, you should accept it and move on. You chose to declare war instead -- which is obviously a reasonable responsible. Our, equally reasonable response, is that we don't care about CF offers and are happy to continue hitting. People only move on if their goal is a war with anyone at all. That was not our goal.Quote:
Originally Posted by SillyRabbit
And you're correct, you withdrew your CF offer. Seems you have waved a kd 80% your size for 2+ days for science. Amusingly, you were closer to us in land and that would just show we were just doing the same thing to you you've done to others. So you really have no room to complain.
Megafusion: you're also wrong. Originally, when it was fairly easy to kill in no relations, it happened rather frequently and the game was continuing to grow. Then it became only possible to do in war, and the game continued to grow. Then it started to shrink. You're right that WOW and COD aren't strategy games, but they are games that take time, and pull people out of utopia. A lot of players quit uto to focus on playing WOW instead. If you were playing at the time, you'd know that.
We also aren't some super size kd razing a kd 10 or 20% of our size. We're hitting kingdoms reasonable in our NW range that could war us if they wanted to, and have other responses.
the rest isnt speculation,Quote:
Originally Posted by SillyRabbit
#2 you did last age to ED
#3 you did w/one of "good" war the kds i sometimes follow, i'd have to check the logs but i wanna say vice and virtue or warcry, in your first age
#4-5 you've done to a kd i keep very close tabs every age (even if i wouldn't call them a ghetto)
#6,7,8 you have specifically done to my kd...
edit...if i actually need logs i'll grab them tonight, before i go to bed.
"Oh man... the bull**** piled up so fast in Vietnam, you needed wings to stay above it."
Cpt. Willard; Apocalypse now.
A lot of posts in here blame Strippers/Debauchery for bashing ghettos to get war wins. If their goal is to get the WW crown, then the system is made to promote that style of play. The crown is not given to the KD who fought the toughest, longest wars. It's given to the one with the highest rating, and rating is calculated by number of wins * enemy size ratio. So the most efficient way to increase your rating is to fight brief, easy wars against larger opponents. That is how the system works, Strippers/Debauchery has understood that, and plays accordingly. Call it exploiting a loophole if you want, call it lame if you want, but I don't see what's wrong with playing efficiently.
You don't blame Germans for being efficient and running trains on time, do you?
If you don't like that what strippers do is the best way to crown, pressure the developers to change the system to be more rewarding. Don't hassle the people who found the easiest way the play the system. That's what the music industry has been doing since the late 90s about p2p, and look what they have achieved! Strippers/Debauchery wont stop warring like they do just because you guys don't like it. Just like ED wont stop raze-killing land-droppers because land-droppers don't like it. "Haters gonna hate" as they say.
But hey, so far each of my posts in the forums has been about suggestions. And since Bishop has shown up in here, here's a suggestion to fix Ghetto Bashing:
Instead of having ratings only take into account the relative size of opponents, have it also take into account the win record of opponents fought through the age. This way when you fight a KD, you bet on their score for the rest of the age. Fighting a ghetto that ends up with 0-6 record would hurt your rating, while losing to a KD that ends with 4-4 wouldn't be as bad. This way, KD looking for the crown are driven to fight each other instead of ghettos. And at the same time, would also fix super KDs not tagging, as they wouldn't want to fight ghettos, and tagging would help them attract the good fights.
What do you say, Bishop?
THX: that's a fairly dumb post.
Hey, you know what would be efficient? If we had these workers, and we didn't have to pay them anything, and also we didn't have to care if they died because it would be cheap to buy a new one. I know, we should have slaves again! That doesn't mean that the international community wouldn't frown on someone going out and enslaving another country.
Now that we're out of terrible real life analogy territory...
Just because it's the best way to get wars doesn't mean it's ethical or supported by the community to play that way. And if you choose to, you also choose to accept the consequences.
Your suggestion is also pretty bad because not all warwins are created equal and your method of trying to account for the skill of kds is kinda bad -- what is you beat SPGC and they disband as a result? Were they a bad kd when they warred you? Maybe a kd ends with a record of 4-5 but they got that record by warring 4 terrible kingdoms and then one slightly below average kingdom -- does that mean the slightly above average kingdom really beat a '4/4' kingdom?
I thought games were made to promote interest.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bishop
I didn't say they were but if you have a more fancy, flashy game that is more interesting.. chances are people will chose that over a text based game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Megafusion
tell that to the kd 2 ages ago that had a prov defect, and double quad tap his friends to give war. They went what 3/3 or 4/4 before mods removed their wins. Sure strippers may not cheat blatantly like that but dirty play is gonna cause retribution in game as there are something you just dont do. Add that to the fact that these actions cost them fewer and fewer friends in game and it wont end wellQuote:
Originally Posted by THX1912
Feel free to improve on my suggestion. At least I'm trying to fix something that appears to be broken. All I see you do is insult and complain.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zauper
Remove the warwin chart. Make honor functionally gainable in hostile again.Quote:
Originally Posted by THX1912
Tada, you no longer need to bash ghettos to win either chart, and if you choose to stay small and avoid other kds to gain honor, they can hit you to hostile and take it.