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Perfect analogy. They're just standing up to thugsQuote:
Originally Posted by Bestest Ever
fs scum deserves to get razed. #bottomfeetards.
[11/23, 8:56 AM] Markers: If we get a min time ww maybe can end fight green or fs
Yet in the instance of this thread we hear claims SS would never be able to beat Divinity in a war or gain any honor from it.
I'll leave you to draw your own conclusions from this, I refuse to believe the most obvious one so I won't even write it down.
EDIT: Not sure if that quote refers to the supposed war with Divinity though.
Might be 3 pages late...but just tossing this out there
The talks were...u need the honor to war us as we'll be droping 45k acres and you growing 9k. Both the SS and my kd though basically wanted to war but how "Set" our war was tentative at best as i didn't even have kds lined up to land drop us and there was 0 point in agreeing 100% to anything before they talked to you guys. To that end the SS did msg you over in FS before they got waved without a response.Quote:
Originally Posted by LoRD_SaMPuaN
Beyond that I'd argue SS didn't ask in enough time (<12 hours before a planed wave) and the post wave one Diplomacy was marginal at best (as far as i know the only real diplomacy was between FS-Divinity where we offered to not honor crown over FS if they could work something out w/SS).
To that end
stuff like this seems a bit skewed to make FS seem a bit more "Evil" than how things played out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Duke_
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They'd of had a 30k honor lead all on their t/m's compared to our higher wpa/science. Its doubtful they'd of won simply due to our kd wide wpa advantage but it would of been a fun/even-ish war if SS was as "Good" as they seem. Point is the SS seemed to want to test themselves and diplomacy wasn't done fast enough to stop FS (who had a legit concern about losing honor crown).Quote:
Originally Posted by MyNameIsMatija
Fair enough, I might say this is the biggest overreaction to hardball I've seen so far if we are being frank.
I don't mean to intrude, but has everyone paid their taxes before spending it willy nilly?
collecting taxes often include some security responsibilities, dont they?Quote:
Originally Posted by jwuzi
There's another department for that
FS has played the last 13+ ages in a specific way can piss off the ghettos they beat and annoy some of kds that watch their war style. Them getting GB'ed may very well be deserved after so many ages and this issue is the prefect example where "if u were nice you'd of read the in game msg and of canceled your wave to talk to us first." Which if being honest is why evil dragons was able to use the same strategy FS is trying to use this age to honor crown. Let me add i dont mean to come off like i'm bad mouthing FS. Them wanting the honor crown and going for it the way they did is very reasonable, but its just as reasonable to see that they needed to be a bit more careful to not piss off some of the war kds if they wanted to use this strategy.Quote:
Originally Posted by MyNameIsMatija
What's so different in the way FS wars to anyone else?
You are wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Persain
Actually this strategy is only plausible since age 59 when oow hits started yielding significant honor.
For us this is 2nd or 3rd time to attempt this, and on all those occasions we resorted to it for last few weeks of age.
Not that it matters much tbh, even if above was true that in no way justifies what SS and friends have done.
At this point there is no peaceful/diplomatic solution it seems. Both KDs will remove the other from the honor crown race leaving wSk to inherit it by proxy. WW crown too if the RK don't amount to an eventual WD. Congrats wSk , & good luck to everyone next age.Quote:
Originally Posted by citadela01
Happy Holidays
Honestly FS didn't do any thing wrong but warring tier was not going to put up with another ED situation. So looking at it you got left over hate from that situation seeing you visited the same kingdoms ED did the previous age.
I agree! No! there is no way ss can justify their actions. It's an outrage. How dare they retal the mightly fs instead of just giving away their honor and land like the rest of the ghettos. Why isnt more people helping kill off ss and restore the pecking order again. We must not have noobs from ghettos thinking they can stand up to top kds like fs and bb. Burn them! Kill them all!Quote:
Originally Posted by citadela01
We are being GBed for what ED did the previous age? Well ok then... fair enough I suppose.
err i meant your war style for the past 13 ages or so not the honor whoring...heavy t/m setup and dominating ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by citadela01
I'm actually trying to come to terms which what is actually happening here. Difficult to get a clear impartial summary.
Having said that, what is clearly seen is the same old nasty bullies, BB pyro and FS who always seem to band together. And many of us know what their bullying and cheating is about from past ages.
Even THIS age, in my old kd Outsiders, FS clearly dealbroke us. We had a CF deal with them and proceeded to enter an active hostile with another kd and were about to declare (I believe the Force have to check). Then out of the blue we get waved by FS. FS only agreed to pull out after we called in an ally to make a hit or 2 and they realized it was not worth it for them in the bigger scheme of things. It cost us the war and was pretty much the final straw that caused Outsiders to disband.
I have the logs somewhere to prove it.
So push comes to shove, I wont be shedding any tears for FS.
We are running 15 Undeads as you can see (well not anymore :D), so I don't know... Also our Elves are Tacticians...
How dare you question the actions of fs from your lowly ghetto. Be thankful that fs didn't raze kill you in war. When will you noobs realize that it's so much easier to just give fs what they want. Kds like bb and fs deserve all the respect from you lowly plebians.Quote:
Originally Posted by lampost
And another dude with the same rhetorics.. Hullo-o-o, dear sir, play some other tune please.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kosai
This is making the EoA drag entertaining to watch :)
dunno what would u guyz do without us, we provided half the servers drama demand just by ourselves..Quote:
Originally Posted by Paymon
My point is simple warring kingdoms do not care about land most of the time but care about honor. So if every age you think warring kingdoms will stand by and allow people to honor whore them at the end of the age you are mistaken and they are making a statement. Granted I could be wrong but that's the way I see it.Quote:
Originally Posted by MyNameIsMatija
.. or, instead, they could learn the current game mechanics and how to use them to their advantage, just as FS did. And perhaps create a well-thought out draft of a better system, if they believe the current one is badly broken.Quote:
Originally Posted by handofthrawn
They could opt to not drop and fight weaker kds and instead grow and fight stronger kds, including their direct chart competitors, too.Quote:
Originally Posted by handofthrawn
You mean to disrespect bb and fs? Would never dream of doing that!Quote:
Originally Posted by Exxo
They are using game mechanics by calling in for help. Game mechanics allow for outside hits otherwise we wouldn't be able to op or attack into war. They're banding together to show FS their dirty tactics won't be tolerated.Quote:
Originally Posted by Exxo
Go SS
Welcome to Emeriti's lifeQuote:
Originally Posted by MyNameIsMatija
(you helped GB them btw)
No problems here. They're doing what the game allows, you're doing what the game allows. As long as you don't try to wave the morality banner, it's all good :)Quote:
Originally Posted by nipster
Actually ss was going to allow an honor wave by fs after their war but because diplo was ignored and fs ego and arrogance got in the way. Ss decided to make sure they can't crown. Ss has never played for crowns, this has been stated multiple times and dates back to other kds before ssQuote:
Originally Posted by Exxo
If you would have choosen to be less arrogant and egotistical ss gladly would have worked with you. Or if you actually worked on diplo when ss reached out to you 10hrs before you choose to wave and again 3hrs before.Quote:
Originally Posted by LoRD_SaMPuaN
Its a playstyle matija. Your elfs are tact so they can go M/A with heavy WT and CS...Elf merchant, cleric or even sage would be more A/M. To be fair u are running less pure t/m focus than normal. Then again after whoring up the safe honor you guys are doing the whore up attack honor via t/m hitting which goes to the same general feel your kds setup/strategy has had in the past of tank and whore vs win and fun.Quote:
Originally Posted by MyNameIsMatija
Nor does ss have to discuss their plans but they reached out to you to try and show you they can both get what they want, your kd ignored this olive branch.Quote:
Originally Posted by LoRD_SaMPuaN
How do you multi quote, looks sexyQuote:
Originally Posted by Palem
Makes it exciting doesn't it? ^^Quote:
Originally Posted by Paymon
Lets not go there, out of respect to Emeriti etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Palem
Not exactly sure what you mean by this, are you saying the KD that holds the record for the most consecutive war wins doesn't win wars or have fun doing it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Persain
you can mutle quote or quote within a quote by copy pasting/moving aroundQuote:
Originally Posted by glubglubHow do you multi quote, looks sexyQuote:
Originally Posted by glubglub
[...QUOTE=User] and [.../QUOTE] without the "..." included
http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t...psn9siv0ea.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by glubglub
Or do the QUOTE tags yourself like Persain said
As a member of the Suicide Squad, not involved in leadership or diplomacy, I personally had no real issue with FREEAKSTYLE. No need to cry, whine, nor cry foul.
Don't get me wrong, I'm really unimpressed.
Breaking CF to wave our T/Ms pretty much ruined our EoA, so what do we do? This ridiculous war was the inevitable result. We would never be able to recover the T/Ms in time to have another serious war. With weak, small T/Ms, honor crown is off the table. Two choices - tuck and run, or fight back.
Well, how do we choose?
What do you do when a KD gives you hostile?? What my warring ghetto KDs have always done with hostile - We press the button.
In this case, at over 150% NW and out of declaration range, we had to give them 150 points of hostile before we could press it.
What do you do when you war? You try to do as much damage as possible.
The sheer amount of disdain towards FS this age resulted in what you see now - KDs coming to us offering to raze. I'm against gangbangs personally, but we say yes. That's how you hurt FS the most this age. When you don't care much about your honor score, and your opponent does, you have leverage.
Was it obvious to everyone on the server that razekills into FREEAKSTYLE would result into razekills into Suicide Squad? Yes. Obvious. And piss off a lot of people and give us a bad reputation? Unfortunately, yes.
The participating KDs stand to gain nothing - in fact because they are relatively small they are very vulnerable. It's a testament to how they have been treated (perceived or actual) that they are willing to so enthusiastically raze into FREEAKSTYLE.
The situation for me is immensely enjoyable. All this talk of morals, dealbreaks, CFs, bullying, failed diplomacy -- who cares? None of it matters. We were dealt a losing hand, so we decided to make the best of it, try to have some fun. FSU comes to mind, no?
There comes a time in everyone warring KD's development when you just have to stand up and say, "we do not accept your BS."
When you take a fight you know you can't win, because your KD fights hard and you want to show your opponent "we don't roll over."
FS chose to max the meter, knowing forced war is a possibility. Does either KD stand to gain anything from this war?? Maybe. But at the rate this is going, it looks like we'll both just lose. We'll see. I'm gonna enjoy the eventful EoA and just hope my KD doesn't get the 50% NW auto-lose.
If FS crowns war wins and/or honor this age and goes undefeated, can we say they were the best warring kingdom this age? Yes, I think so. Even without the crown, they're always one of the best. They've had my respect, at least in terms of raw winning ability, for years. I wish they played with bigger balls and took fights they weren't sure they could win, but you gotta respect the perennially undefeated war record, regardless of how much scheming produced it.
And say what you want about Suicide Squad, but in our first age together, amidst all the drama, haven't we put on a good show this age? I hope there are enough reasonable people out in the Uto community that can overlook the loudmouths (of both KDs) and recognize that we both are worthy of respect in the warring tier.
That's the attitude! *salutes*Quote:
Originally Posted by dingy2
Wow dingy you really put a lot of thought into that post. It probably is the best post this thread has seen. Much respect for no mud slinging and a kingdom that wouldn't back down. Cheers!