BIO vs ghettocats

So what your saying then Baka is that after 2v1'ing us for 60 hours or so you where finished multi kingdom GBing, until EJ jumped in, then you decided to revert back to your previous tactic + call in OS. The fact that EJ jumped in at right about the same time that Inso finished pumping was just a convenient coincidence as had EJ came in any earlier Inso wouldn't have been quit ready to support you. Lucky for you guys I guess but you have to admit that it can be easily mis interpreted as you all just continuing your original GB as Inso jumped in just as soon as they got fully pumped, which is what most expected them to do regardless of cats, or their friends, actions.

2v1'ing you for over 60 hours? Get your **** correct before you spew more of it. Neither did we 2v1 you until near the end of your war for 2 waves (which was not 60h) nor did we 2v1 you any time after the war ended either. It was 2v1 in your war for the latter part of war and then 3v2 when EJ jumped us.

You have no idea what went on but you're gladly happy to make an assumption that Inso was going to jump in regardless?

I hope you don't speak for your kingdom or your leadership. One more bull**** assumption from you and i'll gladly do this all over again. Just say it.

Seriously, out of your whole kingdom, you're the last one who doesn't know when to shut up. It's all fine and dandy to discuss the aftermath and to get the facts straight. But to come point and make point-blank ignorant accusation? Only you.

Show me any proof that Inso was going to "jump in and help BiO" after they repump? I'll call your bluff and show you all the sufficient proof to say I told them if they wave you guys oow I will raze them.

Now stfu with your propoganda BS.

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Originally Posted by Proteus

You are also forgetting hoyour farmed your allies cow that age.

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So your only conflict that age was fighting a cow against a smaller kingdom, it's not that much of an accomplishment (no offence to Bio). When you have 2 cows around the same size but one kingdom is much larger, it's much, much easier to beat the other cow as for the smaller kingdom. You seem to neglect the damage & resources a larger kingdom does.

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Originally Posted by Proteus

And yes it's outplaying, you yourself said you tried to fight us but we always maintained too good of a position for you to do anything.

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Lucky ;) You crowned because Insolence leadership made a bad choice with their wave target and you could dice all age. Had it been Rage, there was a big chance either HoH or Sanc would have crowned.
And later on we couldn't get into a good position because Sanc blocked us (and I think Pulse also) for you. So yea, I think you got lucky and won due to luck. But luck is sometimes needed.. it's ok to admit you got lucky, theres no shame in that.

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Originally Posted by Proteus

How can you even begin to talk down on anyone who runs a better kingdom than you do. May I remind you that you tried to cow oop this age and got your cow owned. You also wanted to crown and dual cow last age and got embarassed.

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Aha, so when you can't defend your arguement about outplaying us in Age 52, you have to suddenly change the age :)
You are just unable to take the criticism that you took a charity crown in Age 52 because you had nothing to do all age except just dicing and a little cow conflict against a smaller kingdom.
Besides, I'm not really talking down on Rage, just on you. You pretend to be better than you are, while you're just another nub

How good am I? I don't know.. I don't care either. All I know is that I could maintain myself perfectly well in a 1v1 battle with you if it would ever come to that. I'm not stupid and you know that.

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Originally Posted by Proteus

Sure I don't always win but we always have a solid age, the same cant be said about you.

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Don't always? You did once with Rage. You have solid ages sure, but Rage has also had their bad ages. I've had plenty of solid ages with ZZ, and the few ages in Insolence where also good. This one is just crap.

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Originally Posted by Proteus

Give you respect? Sure you'll get some when you stop pretending to be a top player/leader. Results aren't on your side there, especially when you try to Cow oop and get farmed like a n00b.

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I'm not pretending anything.. you're the one who keeps bragging. When you brag how you outplayed us in age 52 when you crowned, I just have to correct you because you're wrong.
And how much did you exactly accomplish as a leader? You joined a longstanding kingdom with an already running kingdom. Maintaining that is easy.
When I joined Insolence the leadership was quite inactive, I took over mid age and finished the age with pretty good results given the horrible start. I think thats worth a bit more than joining Rage and picking over the scepter.

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Originally Posted by Evillone

So what your saying then Baka is that after 2v1'ing us for 60 hours or so you where finished multi kingdom GBing, until EJ jumped in, then you decided to revert back to your previous tactic + call in OS. The fact that EJ jumped in at right about the same time that Inso finished pumping was just a convenient coincidence as had EJ came in any earlier Inso wouldn't have been quit ready to support you. Lucky for you guys I guess but you have to admit that it can be easily mis interpreted as you all just continuing your original GB as Inso jumped in just as soon as they got fully pumped, which is what most expected them to do regardless of cats, or their friends, actions.

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Inso planned to let you 2 fight 1v1 further untill EJ jumped in. Ask Pendel, I even asked him to stop hitting bio and let you fight 1v1 further.

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Originally Posted by Evillone

So what your saying then Baka is that after 2v1'ing us for 60 hours or so you where finished multi kingdom GBing, until EJ jumped in, then you decided to revert back to your previous tactic + call in OS. The fact that EJ jumped in at right about the same time that Inso finished pumping was just a convenient coincidence as had EJ came in any earlier Inso wouldn't have been quit ready to support you. Lucky for you guys I guess but you have to admit that it can be easily mis interpreted as you all just continuing your original GB as Inso jumped in just as soon as they got fully pumped, which is what most expected them to do regardless of cats, or their friends, actions.

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<---- lol how many leaders are there in Cats? someone just got STFU by baka. hehe

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Originally Posted by baka

2v1'ing you for over 60 hours? Get your **** correct before you spew more of it. Neither did we 2v1 you until near the end of your war for 2 waves (which was not 60h) nor did we 2v1 you any time after the war ended either. It was 2v1 in your war for the latter part of war and then 3v2 when EJ jumped us.

You have no idea what went on but you're gladly happy to make an assumption that Inso was going to jump in regardless?

I hope you don't speak for your kingdom or your leadership. One more bull**** assumption from you and i'll gladly do this all over again. Just say it.

Seriously, out of your whole kingdom, you're the last one who doesn't know when to shut up. It's all fine and dandy to discuss the aftermath and to get the facts straight. But to come point and make point-blank ignorant accusation? Only you.

Show me any proof that Inso was going to "jump in and help BiO" after they repump? I'll call your bluff and show you all the sufficient proof to say I told them if they wave you guys oow I will raze them.

Now stfu with your propoganda BS.

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Evilone doesn't speak for the cats, I do and Elurin does.
I do think he got midunderstood by you (apart from being not 100% acurate).

Edit: from memory: it was 2v1 when inso double hostiled us (and you kept hitting, intentional or not) and then after about 36 hours into the war when bio started razekilling as you said.

I think what he meant to say was that after the 2nd war with inso, we assumed Inso were gonna come back at us after eow CF. The reason from our side for this assumption was that they never cancelled their dragon, even after repeated msg to cancel and we cancel (elurin told me this, i didn't do this, so i'm not 100% on this). Apart from that inso indeed didn't hit us immediatly when eow CF, we assumed the tactic was for them to pump up to be big enough to be safely out of our declare range (which imo was a smart move) before comming at us again.

And to be fair, imagine being in our shoes (at that point), why would we assume that the 2v1 would suddenly stop? We knew you had real life issues (condolences btw, and i mean that) that explained your sudden absence and with the above intel, and no diplomacy done/initiated we made the call that the gb would continue.

And no this is not made to bad-blood you or anyone involved, this is to let you see our side of the story. And i do think our assumptions were well founded.

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Originally Posted by magixxx

<---- lol how many leaders are there in Cats? someone just got STFU by baka. hehe

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clearly the answer to this question is 53!

Excuse me it wasn't 60 hours if you want to call it 2 waves near end of war that's fine by me say 24 then I didn't care to go back and look at exact time frame as I thought that just the fact that the 2v1 happened was the more important issue. You will also notice I am perfectly willing to except your explanation as to the chain of events that led to Inso joining back into the fight. I wasn't calling you a liar or spreading any propaganda, just pointing out where the confusion came from. Which was some of your wording and that Inso did exactly what some people expected, regardless if they where right or wrong, them to do regardless of EJ jumping in or not. You say EJ coming in was what brought Inso back in and I bielve you but I think some thought you where trying to imply that EJ is what caused the first 2v1, which wasn't accurate or what you where trying to say and was also leading to some of the confusion.

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Originally Posted by Gualdin

Evilone doesn't speak for the cats, I do and Elurin does.
I do think he got midunderstood by you (apart from being not 100% acurate).

Edit: from memory: it was 2v1 when inso double hostiled us (and you kept hitting, intentional or not) and then after about 36 hours into the war when bio started razekilling as you said.

I think what he meant to say was that after the 2nd war with inso, we assumed Inso were gonna come back at us after eow CF. The reason from our side for this assumption was that they never cancelled their dragon, even after repeated msg to cancel and we cancel (elurin told me this, i didn't do this, so i'm not 100% on this). Apart from that inso indeed didn't hit us immediatly when eow CF, we assumed the tactic was for them to pump up to be big enough to be safely out of our declare range (which imo was a smart move) before comming at us again.

And to be fair, imagine being in our shoes (at that point), why would we assume that the 2v1 would suddenly stop? We knew you had real life issues (condolences btw, and i mean that) that explained your sudden absence and with the above intel, and no diplomacy done/initiated we made the call that the gb would continue.

And no this is not made to bad-blood you or anyone involved, this is to let you see our side of the story. And i do think our assumptions were well founded.

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I appreciate the response and I apologize if I came out harsh originally and I also thank you for your kind words and understanding of my absence.

I also understand from your situation why you might've thought Inso was going to come again but the fact was they didn't so it made no sense to make that accusation now (which Evilone did) after all has been said and done.

Like I said before, it's good to discuss the aftermath and get all the facts straight because of course there will be bias in every one's judgement but to come out accusing seems a bit backhanded.

My knowing was that Inso did plan to wave you after your war ended. That was the main reason they wd the 2nd time as a matter of fact. You declared war on them when they waved in to our hostile but they lost fair and square as they underestimated the TPA value on your Undeads which played a huge factor in your war against them. We (BiO) gave them some bad intel and said your tpa was low (it seemed low... but we're Rogues so, hey)... and they went in assuming it was going to be low. Anyways, they wd and wanted to retrain and wave but before you were both oow, we made sure they wouldn't do so - which they ended up didn't until EJ jumped in.

As a matter of fact, prior to my absence, I was the one threatening Inso (sorry btw) that if they so much as blink at Cats then I'll raze them as well.

And yes what gualdin said. when i say people expected Inso to come back in I wasn't implying we had so secrecy intell or something it was just what we expected after the recent event that had already transpired. As it turns out our expectations where wrong.

I wasn't trying to badmouth anyone, just trying to get the facts strait just like you.

PS I've said like 5 different times I is not sillycat leadership

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Originally Posted by Evillone

PS I've said like 5 different times I is not sillycat leadership

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so..... if you dont understand anything just ask your leaders instead of making assumptions or accusations in the public forum. I dont see a point of you doing it unless you want some attention.

I didn't make any assumptions or accusations. Baka misunderstood me or thought that I was implying something that I was not. Read my post all I said was that the situation was easily misconstrued, which was infact what was happening before my post.

That and I got my time frame off a bit, which is just me being high and lazy which I've already corrected myself and asked to be excused for doing.

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Originally Posted by baka

Charity crowns.

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Definition of charity crown?

Utopia should do away with dicing cos theres just too many agruments about it. Take away dice and bring bac boats ehehe

Cats sent -one- message regarding dragon, which involved a quip about not 'trusting' inso. With no diplo in place considering elurin had been difficult to diplo with it would have been a very bad move to cancel dragon. He offered no terms, just demanded the dragon be canceled.

Baka's recap is uncannily accurate.