alliances, FW's, raze kills and other stuff

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Originally Posted by KuhaN

Well the thing is, for all you top kd whores, you rarely war because you'd rather whore all round and then think you're godlike when you hit top 10 in the charts after all the abuse and boredom throughout the round.

I'm representing the majority of players, not the X amount IRC users, the 8k other players that play for fun. You think they really give a shat about abs kingdoms? No, they want to war. Why? Because it is fun.

Warring > Whoring.

Realest and Steel, how many wars did you guys have this round? Umm... about one? You guys shouldn't even be sharing your opinions on whether or not raze should destroy land/buildings because you aren't representing the entire Utopian community.

You war because of grudges; the majority war for random fun.



oh and that^ pretty much backs up what i just said.

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^ this

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Originally Posted by Realest

I had 2 wars last age, thank you very much, and razed in neither of them.

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Didn't you guys war a kingdom very close to 50% of your size? I mean if you had to resort to razes, that'll be pretty sad.

What was your other war? Another one against someone half your size or just a ghetto kingdom?

props

Funny how DHaran and Greenie's posts actually counteract each other. DHaran assumes 92% of kingdom's out there are ghettos (Realest clearly states 95% are) and Greenie says ghetto players don't represent the whole community.

And don't give me that bs of how there is plenty of action where you play, yeah, bottom feeding kingdoms 3 places below you that have no chance of beating you in war, or sitting around and waiting for weeks for something to happen. There's a lotta action in whoring, abusing, farming, fake warring alright. It's okay though DH i wasn't expecting anything less from your response, your avatar speaks to me on its own, your thing is to flame others and that's pretty much it.

Oh and it's also funny how you say I don't know a thing about 'whoring', when fact is that I've played in top kingdoms for years on and off trading in and out. It's alright though, you're response is likely going to be filled with rage and fire because that's all you're really good at doing DHaran.

My original post in this thread was basically stating how severely biased these forums are, and how underrepped the majority of players actually are on here. In-game polls anyone? I'll leave it to that.

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Originally Posted by KuhaN

Funny how DHaran and Greenie's posts actually counteract each other. DHaran assumes 92% of kingdom's out there are ghettos (Realest clearly states 95% are) and Greenie says ghetto players don't represent the whole community.

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er... if ghetto players were the WHOLE community, wouldnt they be 100% of the community rather than 92 or 95%?

ghetto players and "top kd" players both represent PARTS of the community, neither represents the WHOLE community

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Originally Posted by KuhaN

And don't give me that bs of how there is plenty of action where you play, yeah, bottom feeding kingdoms 3 places below you that have no chance of beating you in war, or sitting around and waiting for weeks for something to happen. There's a lotta action in whoring, abusing, farming, fake warring alright. It's okay though DH i wasn't expecting anything less from your response, your avatar speaks to me on its own, your thing is to flame others and that's pretty much it.

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secrets declared on 2 kd's bigger than us... also, as we sat lower half of T50 for most of age, most kd's are pretty close in size to one another, if you look how the charts ended if anyone outside the T10 hit someone 3 positions lower than them, for the most part they would hit a kd that is within 10% of their nw
i wont defend DH's response

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Originally Posted by KuhaN

Oh and it's also funny how you say I don't know a thing about 'whoring', when fact is that I've played in top kingdoms for years on and off trading in and out. It's alright though, you're response is likely going to be filled with rage and fire because that's all you're really good at doing DHaran.

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DH hasnt actually done a proper whoring age yet =P

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Originally Posted by KuhaN

My original post in this thread was basically stating how severely biased these forums are, and how underrepped the majority of players actually are on here. In-game polls anyone? I'll leave it to that.

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if people cared enough about this game, surely they would come to forums and post their thoughts?
but, on a more pointed note, yes, i agree with in-game polls, or at least in the announcements pointing to a thread =)

Greenie, in the words of DHaran:

"That's another thing you idiots don't understand. When you play in a ghetto, in ghetto ranges, there are pretty much endless targets available to you. On the charts, there's pretty much a few ahead of you and few behind you, and the NW spread is likely large, and some of them are likely in hostiles or war already."

t50 = 10% of total players in Utopia. As you can see, Realest and DHaran both state atleast 90% of the kingdoms are ghetto. Yes, you are right though, they aren't the WHOLE community, but people need to start thinking about what the majority of players want; not what suits them the best. Which leads to this question:

Does Razing Land really benefit EVERYONE or just a small portion of the community? Tbh, I prefer razing land as well, but I think we can all live if it ends up destroying just buildings.

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Originally Posted by _greenie

secrets declared on 2 kd's bigger than us... also, as we sat lower half of T50 for most of age, most kd's are pretty close in size to one another, if you look how the charts ended if anyone outside the T10 hit someone 3 positions lower than them, for the most part they would hit a kd that is within 10% of their nw
i wont defend DH's response

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Well you guys have a good kingdom then, clearly, not many kingdoms out there will declare war over CFing at t50. And if you say you guys didn't whore, good for you, but most of the kingdoms up there do whore to get there, you can't deny this. I'm not putting top kingdoms down or anything, like I said before, I'm saying all this to back up my original post which intended to mean that most players don't play Utopia the same way as the elite few. What you guys want chances are a large part of the community does not.

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Originally Posted by KuhaN

Greenie, in the words of DHaran:

"That's another thing you idiots don't understand. When you play in a ghetto, in ghetto ranges, there are pretty much endless targets available to you. On the charts, there's pretty much a few ahead of you and few behind you, and the NW spread is likely large, and some of them are likely in hostiles or war already."

t50 = 10% of total players in Utopia. As you can see, Realest and DHaran both state atleast 90% of the kingdoms are ghetto, so how can you say it's just a small part of the community Greenie?

Well you guys have a good kingdom then I guess, not many kingdoms out there will declare over CF at t50. And if you say you guys didn't whore, good for you, but most of the kingdoms up there do whore to get there, you can't deny this. I'm not putting top kingdoms down or anything, like I said before, I'm saying all this to back up my original post which intended to mean that most players don't play Utopia the same way as the elite few. What you guys want chances are a large part of the community does not.

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you missed half my point... but anyways, will move on from that

but i do agree with you that omac needs to spread themselves wider than just the forums, in game polls are a good way to start doing so =)

Yea I edited it and changed some of it before you made your post. Re-read it if you like.

It goes out to steel as well:

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Originally Posted by Pillz

Razes should be allowed.

If you don't like them, only war kingdoms who ill agree to your ghetto-ass war terms.

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Hrm, okay, let's just decide all things in the game by asking all the players. Obviously they all know what effects all suggestions will have, and they're all perfectly objective. It's like democracy, works great!

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Originally Posted by Luc

Hrm, okay, let's just decide all things in the game by asking all the players. Obviously they all know what effects all suggestions will have, and they're all perfectly objective. It's like democracy, works great!

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kinda like how all the new/lower ranked players complained that Paradise was a tool of only the whoring kingdoms and if it was removed/changed then they would have to play like everyone else. Then, surprise surprise, they complained that the top kds were bottomfeeding on them.

hehehe bishop makes a good point there

perhaps the ghettoes greatest weakness is that they don't think ahead ;)

the funny thing is... top kd's will probably dice + bottomfeed next age ;)

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Originally Posted by SacredFlame

Didn't you guys war a kingdom very close to 50% of your size? I mean if you had to resort to razes, that'll be pretty sad.

What was your other war? Another one against someone half your size or just a ghetto kingdom?

props

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once again, someone who doesnt understand utopia. For a complete victory against someone much smaller than you, you need to raze. However, we had different goals at the time, and wanted to procure the maximum amount of acres, and had no intentions for a complete victory to raze the enemy into oblivion. We were ready to withdraw with acres if the enemy didn't. Once again, leave top kd mechanics to people who play there, and stop rationalizing it so you understand.

As for the other war, we started largely the same size minus 2 banks, so once again your desire to rationalize the war to fit your own context has failed. Learn to play.

Complete victory is one where your enemy admits defeat.
A victory is a conflict that gains you stuff.

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Originally Posted by VT2

Complete victory is one where your enemy admits defeat.
A victory is a conflict that gains you stuff.

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(insert derogatory personal attack that would get me banned/warning)