Some fite is for honor: Foxicorn's unifrogs vs FEYR TALES

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Originally Posted by Gorash

I am not going to comment on last age, it's clear you have your own version of what happened, and you really believe in it, all fine to me. Your version of what happened is the reason you hold a grudge v.s. us, clearly.

We however, don't hold grudges. We offered you a free wave and CF, plain and simple, and we are ready to move on! Which is, I believe, pretty common practice in Utopia.

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Yeah, lets just forgive and forget all that happened last age, and be amazed we're not using "common practice" this age. BTW, in my own version in my own little crazy world I have this "[11:08] <Francis> 750 honor point per day we spent on you, and you can get your cf" quote from last age. Strangly enough I cant find any logs of any more "common practice"-like type deal suggested by your side. Weird ****, but I think I figured it out. The common practice offer is in the real world while I live in a dreamworld, and hence I cant find it cause its like parallel universes.

Problem FS have is that ED is casual enough to not really give a damn about winning anything ingame as most players have already crowned when they game was actually "good", but players are commited enough to actually turn up when needed.

The fact there's a lot of older players also means there's a fair bit of ego in ED, not in a bad way like some players I can think of, but Parth clearly knows how to run KDs and his mouth to get maximum enjoyment out of people who wrong us. Then there's tools like me who think this is a war game so will war and grudge out anyone who even looks at us funny if I had my own way.

Realistically Francis was told how ED works, I linked him our 80+ page drama thread covering multiple wars/PKs/grudges spanning ages, Parth and others told him here's the offer take it or leave it & they left it for 2 weeks hitting ED. FS failed to do due diligence checks on ED and the likelyhood of what they were told being true, so we have this position now.

I might be a stubbon arse, but even I would have been able to look at last age and see both KDs view points to come to the conclusion that if I was FS then yes the time wasted prepping for ED would have sucked, but it also was our own making after being told we'd not get war if explored and dragged hostile. Wouldn't have started trying to raze kill people for 2 week conflict knowing we'd get shafted in the future.

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Originally Posted by silverfox

Realistically Francis was told how ED works, I linked him our 80+ page drama thread covering multiple wars/PKs/grudges spanning ages, Parth and others told him here's the offer take it or leave it & they left it for 2 weeks hitting ED. FS failed to do due diligence checks on ED and the likelyhood of what they were told being true, so we have this position now.

I might be a stubbon arse, but even I would have been able to look at last age and see both KDs view points to come to the conclusion that if I was FS then yes the time wasted prepping for ED would have sucked, but it also was our own making after being told we'd not get war if explored and dragged hostile. Wouldn't have started trying to raze kill people for 2 week conflict knowing we'd get shafted in the future.

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You might have been able to see both kd's points but you failed to acomodate them.
We were not just going to say ok cya after spending week to explore 10k acres and preping for you guys only to have you say you changed your minds after 30hs of hostile. I dont give a f*** who you are, you just dont get away with that.
Despite bs Parth is spewing here you had option to walk away but you completley refused to even entertain the idea of negotiating for anything other than blank CF.
Well shockingly we can be just as stuborn and hit just as low as you did. This time arround you were the ones to rise ante, next time it will be us.

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Originally Posted by citadela01

You might have been able to see both kd's points but you failed to acomodate them.
We were not just going to say ok cya after spending week to explore 10k acres and preping for you guys only to have you say you changed your minds after 30hs of hostile. I dont give a f*** who you are, you just dont get away with that.
Despite bs Parth is spewing here you had option to walk away but you completley refused to even entertain the idea of negotiating for anything other than blank CF.
Well shockingly we can be just as stuborn and hit just as low as you did. This time arround you were the ones to rise ante, next time it will be us.

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translation: "we're just not that good right now, really"

Last age, you werent serious about warring. You wanted to be in a position where you were sure to win, before warring. If you spent this time to prep for us, and we gave you button which is a pretty good advantage, and you didnt push it - then its you wasting our time. We were willing to war with how the table was set when hostile started, but you wanted to change your position before warring. First explore some UBs, and then war. We told you we were not interested, and you bullied us for two weeks and also demanding compensation for it. First you wasted our time, and then you bullied us.

This situation is in many ways similar to last age...you were in eowcf after a farm war where you were basically unhit. We were about the same acreage. If you wanted to war us, you could have prepped for it, but just like last age you are too scared unless you have a massive advantage.

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Originally Posted by citadela01

You might have been able to see both kd's points but you failed to acomodate them.
We were not just going to say ok cya after spending week to explore 10k acres and preping for you guys only to have you say you changed your minds after 30hs of hostile. I dont give a f*** who you are, you just dont get away with that.
Despite bs Parth is spewing here you had option to walk away but you completley refused to even entertain the idea of negotiating for anything other than blank CF.
Well shockingly we can be just as stuborn and hit just as low as you did. This time arround you were the ones to rise ante, next time it will be us.

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Originally Posted by citadela01

You might have been able to see both kd's points but you failed to acomodate them.
We were not just going to say ok cya after spending week to explore 10k acres and preping for you guys only to have you say you changed your minds after 30hs of hostile. I dont give a f*** who you are, you just dont get away with that.
Despite bs Parth is spewing here you had option to walk away but you completley refused to even entertain the idea of negotiating for anything other than blank CF.
Well shockingly we can be just as stuborn and hit just as low as you did. This time arround you were the ones to rise ante, next time it will be us.

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Not really;

ED thought that a war would be even vs. both KDs and offered FS a war.
FS had the choice of saying no but instead decided to grow provs till they thought they'd not lose and dragging hostile to achieve that (nothing wrong there).
ED said they weren't willing to war on those terms (nothing wrong there, much like FS didn't want to war on what ED thought was even terms).
FS decided to send threats about hitting ED in war if they went with a different KD.

No-one forced FS to "prepare" for ED in the way they chose, FS could have said they didn't want to war, or wanted to war after X days, or have brought in their own terms.

What you still seem to fail to realise is that for a KD to want to offer you something, then you need to have a reason for them to do it. Let me ask you something, if ED had of said ok here's 5k honour for an EoA CF, then what would ED have done for the rest of the age? CF also wasnt a blank CF, it would have avoided stuff like this in the future.

I find that last line very, very unlikely, you'd need a fanboi thread for me to even begin to take that seriously. Threats also seem pretty unscary right about now as they convey the thoughts that you still don't really grasp what ED is about.

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Originally Posted by Parth

Last age, you werent serious about warring. You wanted to be in a position where you were sure to win, before warring. If you spent this time to prep for us, and we gave you button which is a pretty good advantage, and you didnt push it - then its you wasting our time. We were willing to war with how the table was set when hostile started, but you wanted to change your position before warring. First explore some UBs, and then war. We told you we were not interested, and you bullied us for two weeks and also demanding compensation for it. First you wasted our time, and then you bullied us.

This situation is in many ways similar to last age...you were in eowcf after a farm war where you were basically unhit. We were about the same acreage. If you wanted to war us, you could have prepped for it, but just like last age you are too scared unless you have a massive advantage.

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I have allways find people who blantantly lie like you do baffling, I just cant comprehend that mental process behind it.

We were dead even last age, button we were suposed to press was given for 45mins while we had number of armies out and 5 ppl online with you having all armies except one ambush army and most of your KD online. You decided not to war after 30hs of hostile and we didnt explore any elves until days later ... you know this very well cause it's been nitpicked through very carefully by your big bro Zauper.

Everything you accuse us of doing is simply something you assumed we will do, and has very little with what we actually did.
Yet you see it as "very similar" to this age when you waved us with 7? ub's to our zero and 200k troops advantage.
And we are the ones who require massive advantage ?

I liked you more when you were sending raging msg's telling us to f*** ourself, at least I can respect that kind of stubborn and defiant a**, this sleezy act is just ewww

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Originally Posted by silverfox

Let me ask you something, if ED had of said ok here's 5k honour for an EoA CF, then what would ED have done for the rest of the age? CF also wasnt a blank CF, it would have avoided stuff like this in the future.

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Honor request was never anything we would insisted on, it was pretty much reaction to your refusal to negotiate.

Now if we are answering questions, let me ask you one.
Why do you insist on spining story about our exploring tm's as reason you refused to war? It is not truth and you know it. We explored elves few days later with foresight to prepare for conflicts that would come after you. You were allrdy ****ed up at that point.
Only thing that did change during those 30 hours between both KD's leaving fort and you refusing to war for the first time is your 2 big wh's loosing tons of troops and land.
So why the lies than ?

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Originally Posted by citadela01

I have allways find people who blantantly lie like you do baffling, I just cant comprehend that mental process behind it.

We were dead even last age, button we were suposed to press was given for 45mins while we had number of armies out and 5 ppl online with you having all armies except one ambush army and most of your KD online. You decided not to war after 30hs of hostile and we didnt explore any elves until days later ... you know this very well cause it's been nitpicked through very carefully by your big bro Zauper.

Everything you accuse us of doing is simply something you assumed we will do, and has very little with what we actually did.
Yet you see it as "very similar" to this age when you waved us with 7? ub's to our zero and 200k troops advantage.
And we are the ones who require massive advantage ?

I liked you more when you were sending raging msg's telling us to f*** ourself, at least I can respect that kind of stubborn and defiant a**, this sleezy act is just ewww

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We did have some troop advantage, yes. It was surprising you didnt train up some in EOWCF. Maybe you wanted to try to play victim, that you would get off easy or something, I dont know. My point still remains: If you would have wanted to war, you could have pumped up and done it. You had some time, farm war and eowcf. You were even offered 2.5 days extra prep time, with the condition you gave button.

Im not the liar here tho. We gave the button early on the 23'rd, you had about one hour and 45 min to push it. So when you say you had it for 45 min, you are actually lying. Funny how that works.
After the fort staredown we were same acres. Two days hostile later, where we gave button, you were 4k acres bigger. When you didnt push it and kept exploring, we explained that we had no intentions warring you if you explored. On day 4, you were 10k+ acres bigger then us and waved.

the above two posts are about an old conflict.

let's stay on current conflict please! the just desserts one!

Last age, FS tried to razekill ED:s provinces as punishment for not pressing the button. ED were around 60-70% their size at the time.
The attempt failed when ED explored the razetarget.

I'm a bit curious what FS would have done if they succeeded with the first provkill? Would it have been enough or would you have razekilled more provs?

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Originally Posted by Helluva

the above two posts are about an old conflict.

let's stay on current conflict please! the just desserts one!

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Sure. Nothing special going on. Meters are pretty high now so FS have a rather strict daily hit cap. ED still hitting for land. FS doing some OOH plunders.

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Originally Posted by Parth

Sure. Nothing special going on. Meters are pretty high now so FS have a rather strict daily hit cap. ED still hitting for land. FS doing some OOH plunders.

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Im not sure if you are following, but we are not in this hostile anymore, as we wont waste more of our time for you ego fight.. You have gained 5k honor already, and we have stopped all hits and ops on you - the show is over, and i congratulate you for picking a fight in the right time and gaining well on it..

I hate to burst your bubble Lord Sampuan but this hostile isn't over until a CF agreement is in place. Until a time you and Parth can agree on something, we will keep going. Last age we ate a couple of weeks worth of your hits and couldn't just simply say "The hostile is over"

It doesn't work that way and I have ops in my news as close as 4 hours ago from FS

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Originally Posted by DM_Benjamin

I hate to burst your bubble Lord Sampuan but this hostile isn't over until a CF agreement is in place. Until a time you and Parth can agree on something, we will keep going. Last age we ate a couple of weeks worth of your hits and couldn't just simply say "The hostile is over"

It doesn't work that way

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Sorry to burst your bubble, but it works that way when you make unreasonable demands to deliberately evade a possible cf agreement..