So in short ASF self leak his location for get help and now ask how its happen?
Sure he can become detective!
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So in short ASF self leak his location for get help and now ask how its happen?
Sure he can become detective!
If you menan by that "when 2 kingdoms tried to 2v1 you, you diplomatically solved the situation", I guess you're correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pillz
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Originally Posted by Pillz
Some people knew ASF was playing there way before RoO tried to 2v1 ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Elit
There was no 2 vs 1, we borrowed acres from Bart to take on you. Then GB threats ensued. :)
Most people would agree that two kingdoms that have eoacf and that are actively working together (by "borrowing/farming" cows acres) to take on a 3rd kingdom is a 2v1 or that, at the very least, it is a very creative way of s**tplaying and is not an acceptable practice.Quote:
Originally Posted by Korp
Most people clearly don't agree with you, as it's a highly contentious topic still.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bourreau
You also didn't solve anything diplomatically, you just ensured that **** played got amplified and lost your and emeritis chances to crown.
But it's ok. Abs reaction when out played is always to powerplay and gb.
Well since i was the one that found out it was asf (first abs) i can say it was a number of things.Quote:
Originally Posted by AquaSeaFoam
1. the lack of punishment for your early age action (i wont specify if i mean community or admins or even both)
2. the level of province management and timing of your wars, and how you abused the games mecanics to the max.
3. the way you msg when ingame when asked, it was very abs like, or atleast it was the school of abs
4. the lack of people knowing who the players was (abs, protector, and others). (very limitit pool of players) - first suggestion from me was don pro pro and or Octob.
5. the lack and stalling of reponse also ingame.
6. my leak of info to some players as with some things that was "made up" that you guys reponded back from - so clear communication flow.
7. keeping track of login pattons to see what time zones and compare with player option.
8. your "random" pattons, who you hit and more importend who you did not.
9. Gut feeling.
Something like that.
One could argue that its highly unlikely that one kd would with only 5-6 provinces would recieve several buttons to total ghettos which they could just farm out in peace. Whats more likely is that they were all arranged wars. But do tell me whats the difference of borrowing acres and demand acres for CF or tax? You would think that borrowing acres would be much nicer pratice cause you would return them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bourreau
Also, one could argue that Absalom favors 2 vs 1 methods as we can see from Sanc + Mercy vs AMA or several other happenings through Utopia that just happend to coindence,, one absalom kingdom waving then another one declaring shortly after.
Yes most people would agree this is not an acceptable situation. For example, if Emeriti "borrowed" 30k cows acres from MEGA before a fight with BB, it would not be acceptable. Do you even understand the implications of this kingd of practice on the top?Quote:
Originally Posted by Pillz
About the crowning chance of MEGA, we lost because BB built a huge province during their "lost" war vs Emeriti. We could have easily won NW province's crown if we wanted, but didn't care enough.
About the intentional farmout of Mike/RoO to Barcoloco, I think it says a lot about the kind of players they are and illustrates perfectly they are part of the problem.
I would also gladly trade any crowns just to stop these kind of sh** moves that are now very common in the top after Abs, Flogger and to some lesser extent, Elit all stopped playing. And finally, thanks to the people in Emeriti and BB (Flogger in particular) that stood up to stop dirty play.
I would point out that previous similar claims were made during our 1st war (by your kd), that the admin looked into it and made it clear it was a real war. Considering the admins didn't particulary like what we were doing, I wouldn't be surprised if they closely monitored all of our other wars to make sure they were all real wars.Quote:
Originally Posted by Korp
But just to entertain you, we simply ran a province that randommed on kingdoms leaving very little defense home that were in, or very close to, declare range. We actually received 4 buttons during the whole age, that's not a lot. And out of those buttons, we had to NW drop a fair amount to declare.
Considering the people you played with, I understand how you might think that "arranged fake wars" were more likely, but if you stop projecting, you can see very clearly that they were all legit wars.
Aren't they reallyyyyy though?Quote:
Originally Posted by Pillz
What if i told you i wanted sweden to win....Quote:
Originally Posted by Elit
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Elit i am your source to confirm that money transactions was being made in this game. Do you honestly think that in all of utopias population no one is willing to make irl cash to **** with people like you, most do it for free you know.
This the best thread I have read in 2 full years. I played back in 2004 when my babysitter's Husband taught me, 0papa. I was 11. King Fang was my first Monarch I played Undead Warrior. I have been trying to get 0papa in my Ghetto. I miss Fang.
Jolt took over [2010?] and they had ads with Trojans that ATE my hard drive. My Mom got my 'pitter fixed but made me stop playing. I believe I had an AMD 266 mhz and ATI 1600 Graphics
I started again in 2014 on a real cheap 'pitter. I know how to fix 'em myself now just in case the Hard Drive eating Trojans return.
I understand how hard it is to Crown at any KD or personal level. King Fang did real well with "The Weather Is" I was Rainbow of Hell. Battlefields
I also played Genesis. I chose Elf Warrior when Elf and Warrior BOTH had a Honor bonus. I was #3-9 for Honor seven weeks. Then 1/2 the server hit me. W00F
Thats the closest I ever came to any crown.
All Crowns are superior no matter how they were achieved. BECAUSE its so FRACKIN hard to get one.
The main thing that stops most Ghettos from achieving better is FEAR. PPL afraid to get chained. Afraid to make mistakes. Afraid of ridicule. Also poor activity.
Frack guys NIKE, just do it. Fear is the mind killer, and for 80% of the server this is a free game.
You can lose NOTHING but a byte of time.
Thank You all for this history lesson.
Have Fun and Prosper.
Sure. Cale was looking for Mansoor home address to delivery him pizza :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Anri
If some one paid you for mess with me its only make me more great!Quote:
Originally Posted by Anri
What actually bother me is did you take all money for you or share them with your Kd mates.
Hate me is ok but sell your own kingdom for money is no cool!
I'll say, the kingdom you're referring to didn't bait a ghetto. They baited your friend Divinity, who everyone knows and who runs a utopia themed podcast and is one of the stronger kingdoms in the game. Not exactly a ghetto.Quote:
Originally Posted by Binar
Meanwhile, I'm looking at your news in the past few hours you've proposed a war to 3:3 twice and 1:11 once. Both are half your size. A real champion of the ghetto you are.
Maybe you're desperate because you've misplayed your age for a 3rd age in a row. I dunno. I'm not sure I'd be so proud to claim being in charge, because whoever is in charge is really donking away the best kingdom on the server in the first week seemingly every age now.
I mean 4 days ago you were in first place and running the server. Now your age is over unless 3:3 accepts war.
Who are these ghetto monarchs?
But the thing is you seem very keen on making stuff up to support your arguments so I "argued" in the way you did. There is no "most people" like you liked to claim, thats just absurd and stupid to make such assumptions without actually having any data on it. Also you cherry pick what you reply to and alone would hint towards that you agree with me or have a hard time justifying or denying.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bourreau
Most people thinks it's wrong to murder an innocent. See what I just did?Quote:
Originally Posted by Korp
But good work on cherry picking one thing in my 5 paragraphs (where I should have said "most people with basic common sense/basic ethics") and ignoring the parts where your claims were destroyed. So again, here is for you:
That being said, the only part I didn't answer in my last post was about your claims about mercy and sanc, something that I have absolutely no interest to discuss/defend and at the same time, that I have absolutely no knowledge about. Basicly, I'm not a fan of wasting my time in pointless arguments that doesn't concern me.Quote:
Originally Posted by bourreau
Most people would think abusing game mechanics to legally play 2 accounts would also be against the rules, didnt stop you guys. There were no destroyed claims, I was making a mocking argument against you cause you made a stupid claim that it was 2 vs 1. Its hilarious that you talk about basic ethics consider you're the kingdom that tricked ghettos to giving you button all age. You actively went and baited kingdoms and trashed them and you talk about ethics? I think thats a thing most people can agree on is morally wrong. So, since you didnt answer me if you consider taxing wrong or not ill ask again whats the difference between acres exchange and taxing them? If Emeriti would have taxed you 30k cow acres would that been fine then? Cuase you wouldnt be helping them at all then? Or what, where do you draw the line?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bourreau
You are wasting your time in pointless arguments right now. Or do you think there is a point to any of this? Arguing on the internet about a game and who did what.
Again, you're projecting and making baseless accusations. We used sitting for ~1 week. How is that abusing mechanics?Quote:
Originally Posted by Korp
Two kingdoms with EOACF pooling/farming/borrowing cows acres just to beat a 3rd kingdom is a 2v1. You still havent provided any argument how it's not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Korp
Again, you're making stuff up. We didn't trash anyone and anyone with basic game knowledge would understand that a kingdom with 5 provinces (4 cows) can do very little damage to a 22-25 provs kingdom, but depending on the skill's level of the 22-25 provs kingdom (and the prep of the cows), the 22-25 provs can difficultly stop the cows. It can't be compared to the damage done by a full top/warring kingdom baiting a less skillful's one and completely destroying them. Also, the kingdoms we warred weren't unhappy about the wars and some even thanked us for the interesting opportunity of fighting a kingdom like MEGA. What we did was highly unusual, but harmless to the kingdoms we warred.Quote:
Originally Posted by Korp
I draw the line when two kingdoms with EOACF with eachother suddenly farm/borrow acres (specially cows acres) to beat a 3rd kingdom. I'm also not sure if you sincerly don't see the difference between that situation and an incoming conflict between two kingdoms without CF solved by a CF for acres deal instead of a war.Quote:
Originally Posted by Korp
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Originally Posted by Korp
There, I highlighted a few of the keywords.Quote:
Originally Posted by bourreau
No, it does not constitute a 2v1. It is just one kingdom fighting you. How they got their land is irrelevant.
You can repeat this lie until you are blue in the face, its not going to change the reality of the situation, which is that you were outplayed and had to beg your friends flogger and Binar to threaten RoO with a gb.
Now, if the practices of taxing and acres4gold and land drops were not already so popular, you'd have a foot to stand on, perhaps. But since one-way friendly acre exchanges are the norm, you're splitting hairs like a *****.
Yet the mechanics were changed with sitting the age after.Quote:
Again, you're projecting and making baseless accusations. We used sitting for ~1 week. How is that abusing mechanics?
Contrary to your "proof" or "evidence" "Most people would agree that bla bla bla bla" But please, show me this magical rule book that you have that define ingame actions like a 2 vs 1. I am not the one that made the claim I shouldnt be the one resposnbile to prove that you are wrong. You are the one that should prove that your claims is right.Quote:
Two kingdoms with EOACF pooling/farming/borrowing cows acres just to beat a 3rd kingdom is a 2v1. You still havent provided any argument how it's not.
Im just using your tactic I am surprised that you havent figured it out yet. It seems you never played in a ghetto when you dont relaize what demoralising thing such beatings can be. You assume that everyone play at your level and is stupid, if they had such good grasp of the game you would never even got a button. You target ghettos trying to trick them into giving away buttons. (Another mechanic that been changed that 1 player cant give away button anymore). Also, pretty damn shady tacits I mean you had to NW drop just to get in range. Anything for acres right? ;)Quote:
Again, you're making stuff up. We didn't trash anyone and anyone with basic game knowledge would understand that a kingdom with 5 provinces (4 cows) can do very little damage to a 22-25 provs kingdom, but depending on the skill's level of the 22-25 provs kingdom (and the prep of the cows), the 22-25 provs can difficultly stop the cows. It can't be compared to the damage done by a full top/warring kingdom baiting a less skillful's one and completely destroying them. Also, the kingdoms we warred weren't unhappy about the wars and some even thanked us for the interesting opportunity of fighting a kingdom like MEGA. What we did was highly unusual, but harmless to the kingdoms we warred.
So you draw the imaginary line somewhere when it isnt beneficial for you. Acres are acres, the timing is just different, what you are saying is that you would been perfectly fine with it we did it 2 Utopian years beforehand or what?Quote:
I draw the line when two kingdoms with EOACF with eachother suddenly farm/borrow acres (specially cows acres) to beat a 3rd kingdom. I'm also not sure if you sincerly don't see the difference between that situation and an incoming conflict between two kingdoms without CF solved by a CF for acres deal instead of a war.
Friendly farming of acres is really outplaying us and a great display of skills.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pillz
And I agree that acres4gold and some land drops are shady as f**k. I don't see how it's an argument to use an even worse tactic?
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Originally Posted by Korp
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Originally Posted by Mike^
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Originally Posted by Bishop
So yeah, people from your kingdom thought we were doing something bad, got reported, admins looked into it, said everything was fine. Then your kingdom made a suggestion based on a hypothetical situation, that as Bishop stated had nothing to do with MEGA, on a change and was implemented. So again, a lie.
Mostly irrelevant, but the rule about 1 player that can't give a button was in effect way before the MEGA's age. Again, nice lie.Quote:
Originally Posted by Korp
I will make it more simple for you, borrowing acres from a friendly kingdom for a specific fight is not acceptable. By the way, I'm done being trolled by you :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Korp
Hardly a coindence that it just happend the age after you amongst others abused the function. That it wouldnt change anything regarding the conflict isnt the same as not being the reason behind the change.Quote:
So yeah, people from your kingdom thought we were doing something bad, got reported, admins looked into it, said everything was fine. Then your kingdom made a suggestion based on a hypothetical situation, that as Bishop stated had nothing to do with MEGA, on a change and was implemented. So again, a lie.
Yea, my mistake, it was already in age 68. But lies has not been a issue from your side so far.Quote:
Mostly irrelevant, but the rule about 1 player that can't give a button was in effect way before the MEGA's age. Again, nice lie.
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I will make it more simple for you, borrowing acres from a friendly kingdom for a specific fight is not acceptable. By the way, I'm done being trolled by you :)
Thats just your opinion but finally something straightfoward. :) Too bad you couldnt show me that rulebook though, I would be very interested in the contet.
Exploration linked to median had been manipulated for roughly 10 ages before the change for smaller kingdoms was implemented, because of MEGAQuote:
Originally Posted by Bourreau
WW bonus adjusted, because of MEGA
Sitting was modified, because of complaints about MEGA
Button requiring two or more provinces pass relations, due to MEGA...?
Thats a lot of pretty big changes, particularly sitting/exploring/button, that were only implemented after the drama created by your bull**** attempt to prov crown.
And as has been established elsewhere, virtually nobody trusts that you were not cheating that age, both with sitting & with faked farm wars.
Neither is razing a kingdom into eowcf who would have had very decent odds of beating your buddies coming out of war, yet you found that was perfectly legit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bourreau
Already apologized for that, recognized it was wrong to raze into eowcf and tried to make amends for it. Altough, it wasn't to protect my buddies, it was to force a CF since I thought you were coming for my ghetto after my diplomatic messages were being ignored. Now I know you didn't believe it back then and there is very little chance you will believe me now, but that is still the truth.Quote:
Originally Posted by protector
Nice list, but mostly wrong:Quote:
Originally Posted by Pillz
Button requiring at least two provinces was before MEGA
The changes implemented about sitting, as already posted by Bishop and quoted by me earlier in this discussion, would have had no effect on MEGA.
About exploration, they went from kingdom's based explore pool to province's based explore pool for very different reasons. The remeaning changes to exploration are irrelevant.
For the WW bonus, I guess the admins thought it needed an adjustment.
Elsewhere and virtually nobody = RoO. For the rest, I imagine they trust the admins that clearly said: "MEGA is not cheating".Quote:
Originally Posted by Pillz
Hahah, that Bourreau. lolol. And all his talk about moral and ethic.Quote:
Originally Posted by protector
The only thing youre right about is that the 2 provs rule was implemented prior to age 71 (in age 68).Quote:
Originally Posted by Bourreau
Your situation is precisely what led to the changes for sitting, regardless of whether the admins found evidence of you abusing it, it was definitely the catalyst for the change.
I thi
Seems like your post is incomplete, but will answer this part right away.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pillz
The changes to sitting were made because a loophole was discovered (by RoO/Mike) into the sitting system that would allow a player to play 2 provinces all age long by changing periodically the owner of the province being sat.
This loophole was not something MEGA used or planned to use. Altough it is true that the discovery was made because people wrongly accused us of cheating, it's the discovery/presence of the loophole (and maybe threat by Mike to abuse it said loophole) that were the cause for the changes. Personnally, I think it's a positive thing that a loophole was discovered and fixed.
Loophole was known for years and probably used by members of the admin team, or with their knowledge, before they ascended to the throne. Maybe they never knowing used it or let their players. Can't say. But you wouldn't have been the first to use sitting that way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bourreau
And again, just because there was no action by the admins doesn't mean you did not cheat. Mike's login analysis was pretty spot on imo. But login patterns didn't function as proof for them.
So we can still attribute 3 changes to drama surrounding your kingdom. Well, you definitely started the fake farm wars and consequently abuse of ww bonus for the purpose of raising banks, but two other kds did follow your lead.
And of course when they started to do it, your kd cried like *****es.
The loophole was definitely known long before and used openly in CR.
What are you trying to imply by "sitting that way"? Our sitting was perfectly legal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pillz
The login pattern illustrated that 1 province was legally sat. That's all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pillz
MEGA is not responsable for the drama and lies spread by RoO or by the presence of a loophole that we didn't use. So that leaves two points:Quote:
Originally Posted by Pillz
1) Changes to exploring: There has been some changes to make it harder to explore in smaller kingdom, but these changes are irrelevant because the admins decided that cows should disapear and moved to a system of prov-based exporation pool.
2) Changes about WW bonus for kingdom with less provinces: It's true that we did get full WW bonus on 5 provinces instead a "full" kingdom and we used that in-game mechanics. The admins thought it shouldn't work like that and made some adjustements the following age. Every age, the admins make lots of changes/adjustements to different mechanisms and it doesn't mean the people that used the previous mechanisms were doing something wrong.
And again, we didn't have any "fake farm wars", all our wars were real.
It seems Borreaus only argument consist of "We didnt do anything!"
Everyone else is dirty and bad but not Borreau!
The loophole was more commonly used for reverse banking early age, and before the aid being hostile action ooo boy was it effective. The 25 man kingdoms were more likely to invest into proxies in my experience while shells like MEGA (not saying MEGA did) were more likely to use sitting re-invite. The amount of speculation around MEGA leads me to believe it was a very shady place and since I'm not looking to convict them in court that is all I need to set my opinion.
Any crown gained via shady means even if it's less shady than the competition, is a less valuable crown. You can out play the chit out of the server with a shady move and that's a cool story to tell but I don't believe that to add value to the crown.
It looks like I was wrong and the loophole was well-known under certain circles and even used. I'm glad that it's now fixed.
If you look carefully at who "speculate" about MEGA, they all played in the same kingdom (RoO) that age and are famous forum trolls. On the other hand, the admins looked into this and 100% cleared our names. Yet, the forum trolls still continue to spread lies. If you want to believe forum trolls instead of the game's admins, that's your choice :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Band of Horses
Careful! their heads are big enough without telling them they are famous.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bourreau
* Emphases added
Tend to agree since you're generally the first to recognize loopholes and point them out. The 24 HR spawn was another you saw immediately.Quote:
Originally Posted by octobrev
It's that some players like to be recognized as the one who discovers loopholes, but I noted you saw things before the final changes were implemented. Bravo
We both know the logs show otherwise. And as said, you called a few ticks of no replies during my sleeping hours as ignoring when we had barely started eowcf. You're so full of sh1t lol, even now you deny it well knowing you're wrong :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Bourreau
Funny eh? Lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Korp