Proposal to end he Awar

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Originally Posted by AquaSeaFoam

Huh, I thought FS was called in by their friends to help BB and joined since their friends BB helped FS gb another kingdom for them last age.

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Believe what you want, if this is what you actually believe yourself.

@jdorje why are you not winning your war against FS right now then? Could it be that this time the razes actually ARE one sided and it's a lost cause? You started your war with pyro bigger and more pumped, what's the big surprise that you won that war?
Afaik you can declare those KDs, you should have button available once you leave your eowcf, dunno might be wrong.
I don't know what the numbers were but I know for a fact FS was much smaller than Outsiders when this all started, not according to your numbers.

Its okay Diabiticmoose, i no longer consider you part of awar so my ghetto might take a few swings.

As far as i know FS joined because of ethics, the helping BB after last age might have been a part of it but not all of it.

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Originally Posted by Guilty Conscience

I guess sitting on 555.7 MILLION gc is not enough for Crazies.

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Pretty sick considering all other kds have no stock. By the time awar is over cj be sitting on 1.5 billion gc on 150k acres and ready to invest his books, laughing all the way to the bank.

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Originally Posted by jdorje

Isn't that what flogger claims is the reason for the gb in the first place?



The only side that's lied in this is yours. We beat pyro in what most (including me, and I would say I'm the best war analyst currently playing) would call an unwinnable war; our only ally before this started was divinity who was 20k acres. "Usual lackey kingdoms"? Are you kidding me? I'd never spoken or even heard of meep or apocalypse, or their kingdoms, before this bull**** started. BB at 75k, pyro at 65k, jerks at 35k, fs at 28k, and blood brothers at ~40k started razekilling us into war out of the blue. We had ourselves at 70k, meep at 48k, apoc (outsiders) at 27k, and approximately 5k acres of provinces from bour's ghetto. And we got a 50% war win on pyro.

At that point wsk and pandas dealbroke to wave our kingdoms for acres, while emeriti despite being razed for 40k acres by a dozen or so kingdoms didn't have button on any of them (BROKEN MECHANICS PLEASE FIX. YOU SHOULD NOT BE ABLE TO RAZE SOMEONE 500 TIMES WITHOUT THEM DECLARING YOU). So yes that's what swung the war.



Yes we know that was your group's goal from the start. You can stop bragging about it. My counter argument is that the game has no place for filthy play like yours, and it is you that should stop playing utopia.

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We weren't 75k :p

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Originally Posted by MyNameIsMatija

Believe what you want, if this is what you actually believe yourself.

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Do you deny that last age Bb helped gb another kingdom for you?

Do you deny cheating still?

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Originally Posted by AquaSeaFoam

Do you deny that last age Bb helped gb another kingdom for you?

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Do you deny you ****ted on Simians last age, more then once.
(When i say you, i actually mean Jdorje and hold him responsible).
So do you deny Jdorje ****ted on Simians?

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Originally Posted by MyNameIsMatija

Believe what you want, if this is what you actually believe yourself.

@jdorje why are you not winning your war against FS right now then? Could it be that this time the razes actually ARE one sided and it's a lost cause? You started your war with pyro bigger and more pumped, what's the big surprise that you won that war?
Afaik you can declare those KDs, you should have button available once you leave your eowcf, dunno might be wrong.
I don't know what the numbers were but I know for a fact FS was much smaller than Outsiders when this all started, not according to your numbers.

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I'd say the fact that most of our provinces can't break any of their provinces has something to do with it. Possibly because we took a week of oow hits - mostly the extra-damaging trad march variety - from a dozen kingdoms without the ability to get war protection from any of them. Those who can break are doing so.

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Originally Posted by Anri

Do you deny you ****ted on Simians last age, more then once.
(When i say you, i actually mean Jdorje and hold him responsible).
So do you deny Jdorje ****ted on Simians?

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Anri, if you have a problem with me, why not talk to me? You've inexplicably hated me for years, and it might be time to get over it.

(Yes I deny I "****ted on Simians", whatever that means.)

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Originally Posted by AquaSeaFoam

Do you deny that last age Bb helped gb another kingdom for you?

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From what I know it had something to do with FS's hostile with Stoners and some diehard FSU KD double hostiling or something like that and BB helped out a little bit, also not the main reason FS joined the awar like you would like to think or present to the public. Don't take my word for this, I don't know too much on the subject. What I can talk about is the reaction in FS chat when LS revealed what you did.

@jdorje troop count at the start of war was even, like I said in this war you continue to take hits while FS doesn't, pyro was in a much different situation, your war with FS is what constitutes an unwinnable war, not your declare on a smaller opponent that got razed just as much as you did or close enough for your size advantage to be enough to push to victory

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Originally Posted by jdorje

I'd say the fact that most of our provinces can't break any of their provinces has something to do with it. Possibly because we took a week of oow hits - mostly the extra-damaging trad march variety - from a dozen kingdoms without the ability to get war protection from any of them. Those who can break are doing so.




Anri, if you have a problem with me, why not talk to me? You've inexplicably hated me for years, and it might be time to get over it.

(Yes I deny I "****ted on Simians", whatever that means.)

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If you keep denying it we will kill each other back and forth from time to time. As you wish.

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Originally Posted by Guilty Conscience

That is how you interpret it. I want to see 25 dead provs in your KD and TheOne can go crown if he likes. But i am just a core player so i wont be the one deciding your faith.

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If your LS thinks like you, then there's gonna be a big problem. Everyone can see how the so called awar is shielding you guys except you. All the actioning on emeriti but trying to tell the world you guys gained 43k acres over the whole "actioning". Geez.

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Originally Posted by Anri

Do you deny you ****ted on Simians last age, more then once.

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Anri, I've avoided weighing in regarding Simians since you asked to not talk about Simians, but since you now want me to talk about simians, ok, I will.

I wasn't playing besides the last 3 weeks of last age, so anything before that is just what I heard from you and Emeriti. I hear that earlier in the age, Emeriti dodged Simians when Simians were much larger by warring Pyro instead. Later, after Emeriti farmed out BB for 67k acres, Emeriti had the advantage on Simians.

We first made a war deal that you agreed to and then backed out of a couple days later. Emeriti then continued to prep to wave you when the cf was up and you came and asked Emeriti for a deal where you'd give Emeriti #1 kingdom and you'd take #1 province. I recommended Emeriti just accept this but dorje and some others in Emeriti didn't see why they should agree to that when fighting you was nearly certain to result in Emeriti winning both #1 kingdom and province. I argued that it'd just be nice of them to give the province crown to Simians even though fighting would result in Simians cow being farmed. Dorje didn't agree and specifically told you he would not agree to not try for #1 province and if your deal was based on that then it was a waste of time to continue discussing a deal.

Negotiations stopped and both kingdoms continued to prepare to fight. It became clear that Emeriti would have about 50% more military than Simians and any fight would be a complete farm out. You then went back to dorje (while I was sleeping) and offered a new deal. In the new deal, there was never once any mention about #1 province since dorje had specifically ruled this out before to you. You agreed to give Emeriti a bunch of land in exchange for EOA CF. The deal terms were specific and detailed and agreed to by you and dorje both on IRC and ingame. There was no mention at all about #1 province anywhere in the deal, nor in the discussion once you resumed them after previously stopping after dorje said he would not agree to it.

Emeriti followed the deal as it was agreed and explored their top province candidate. It explored past your province and nothing was said. Only once it then did a large explore to a size that was unbeatable by your province did you then come and accuse us of deal breaking. The logs and deal you agreed to on irc and ingame were shown to you and you then agreed that no deal was broken but that Emeriti were assholes.

I agree that Emeriti could have given you #1 prov to be generous and kind to you after you had played a good and fair age. They chose not to give away a crown that their player also wanted (had never crowned before) and that Emeriti would have certainly had if there was a fight. Emeriti didn't show you generosity, but I read the logs, was shown the ingames, and read the emeriti leadership logs and never once did Emeriti agree or even think you thought they agreed to give you #1 province. Dorje was very clear in saying that he would not agree to that and it was not discussed further after that.

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Originally Posted by AquaSeaFoam

Anri, I've avoided weighing in regarding Simians since you asked to not talk about Simians, but since you now want me to talk about simians, ok, I will.

I wasn't playing besides the last 3 weeks of last age, so anything before that is just what I heard from you and Emeriti. I hear that earlier in the age, Emeriti dodged Simians when Simians were much larger by warring Pyro instead. Later, after Emeriti farmed out BB for 67k acres, Emeriti had the advantage on Simians.

We first made a war deal that you agreed to and then backed out of a couple days later. Emeriti then continued to prep to wave you when the cf was up and you came and asked Emeriti for a deal where you'd give Emeriti #1 kingdom and you'd take #1 province. I recommended Emeriti just accept this but dorje and some others in Emeriti didn't see why they should agree to that when fighting you was nearly certain to result in Emeriti winning both #1 kingdom and province. I argued that it'd just be nice of them to give the province crown to Simians even though fighting would result in Simians cow being farmed. Dorje didn't agree and specifically told you he would not agree to not try for #1 province and if your deal was based on that then it was a waste of time to continue discussing a deal.

Negotiations stopped and both kingdoms continued to prepare to fight. It became clear that Emeriti would have about 50% more military than Simians and any fight would be a complete farm out. You then went back to dorje (while I was sleeping) and offered a new deal. In the new deal, there was never once any mention about #1 province since dorje had specifically ruled this out before to you. You agreed to give Emeriti a bunch of land in exchange for EOA CF. The deal terms were specific and detailed and agreed to by you and dorje both on IRC and ingame. There was no mention at all about #1 province anywhere in the deal, nor in the discussion once you resumed them after previously stopping after dorje said he would not agree to it.

Emeriti followed the deal as it was agreed and explored their top province candidate. It explored past your province and nothing was said. Only once it then did a large explore to a size that was unbeatable by your province did you then come and accuse us of deal breaking. The logs and deal you agreed to on irc and ingame were shown to you and you then agreed that no deal was broken but that Emeriti were assholes.

I agree that Emeriti could have given you #1 prov to be generous and kind to you after you had played a good and fair age. They chose not to give away a crown that their player also wanted (had never crowned before) and that Emeriti would have certainly had if there was a fight. Emeriti didn't show you generosity, but I read the logs, was shown the ingames, and read the emeriti leadership logs and never once did Emeriti agree or even think you thought they agreed to give you #1 province. Dorje was very clear in saying that he would not agree to that and it was not discussed further after that.

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And you leave out the part of Simians never waving BB to dodge Emeriti, like Emeriti did vs us when they dodged us to war Pyro.
This could of changed the entire outcome of the age. Also the part of Protector having prepared his bank to be explored by entire KD for almost 2 weeks i believe. It had given them #1 bank. There is a bunch of details you left out here. All of this we felt had been discussed all ready and that it was part of the deal. We had no reason to give you 30k land without getting the prov crown. I know as well as you guys that in the last irc deal and in the ingame deal it said nothing about the prov crown, why? Because both BB and Simians felt it was all ready part of the deal from negotiations of first days. We had all ready stopped our BB wave, BB had canceled their incoming explore plan and all its growth and so forth.
You know this as well as i do. Thats why we feel we got mislead by typical absalom diplomacy. Since you cant speak about the other events its fine if i leave this out. But in general i feel you played us in a very bad way. Rallying support across the server from everyone playing for Simians last age and also other kds that felt wronged by emeriti or absalom was not hard for BB after you wronged them. After all **** last age, the only thing we asked for was the prov crown. On top of this we have Dorjes and Cerbs attitude during last age dip that keeps anger people. Even i am 10 times less aggressive and greedy compared to them. Considering you yourself was ready to give us prov crown for 10-15k land and have friendly relations to our disbanding days, you had all ready won and we respected that in that point of time.

Well, I read the diplo log of you and dorje. Dorje clearly said he wouldn't agree to not try for #1 province in Emeriti. He even said something to the effect of any further talks being pointless if that was one of your requirements. Later after the huge Emeriti military advantage became more clear you came back to dorje and offered a new deal. In the new deal there was never any further mention of Emeriti not going for #1 province. In fact the only thing mentioned about big provinces was that Emeriti couldn't hit your cow in the free land deal. If there was supposedly an agreement for you getting #1 land, then why wouldn't the deal mention this at all instead of just saying not to hit your cow?

I guess Anri misses being the center of attention..